Thanks for the correction, Fred. Will I see you at the Derby?
Shane Van Boening: What about him....
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Thanks for the correction, Fred. Will I see you at the Derby?
JA,
Wow....I guess I don't qualify as "everyone"....and neither do the commentators from the Tunica tournament. I've been watching the 10 foot 10-ball, and the 9-foot 9-ball. To me, and to the commentators, it seemed quite obvious that Johnny Archer was playing the best he has ever played, and also obvious that Johnny and Alex were head and shoulders above the rest of the field that week. A truly fabulous exhibition by 2 great players (one of them at least is American:smile
.Factor that performance in with Johnny's performance at the Mosconi Cup under the most pressure there is in pool (WAY more than in a TAR match); and I find it difficult to believe you think Shane is better than Johnny. I just don't see it (though Shane is GREAT:smile
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Definitely an amazing year for Mika. I didn't compare every single player, but I wonder if anyone has won more money in tournaments than Mika since 2005 other than Efren who's only at the top because of the $500,000 IPT win.
Mika - $881,678.00
Shane - $762,453.00
Darren - $653,820.00
Dennis - $585,968.00
Efren - $1,188,620.00
Yes, I have a Cuetec with the R-360 shaft since a few weeks after they came out. It is a LD shaft. I played many hours with that cue before I had to hang my cue up for good. My cue cost $150 about 3 years ago. I also used it to break 8,9,and 10ball with. If anyone has one or is thinking of getting one, get the Cuetec 6" extention for it. I left my extention on most of the time making it a 64" cue. Johnnyt
JA,
Wow....I guess I don't qualify as "everyone"....and neither do the commentators from the Tunica tournament. I've been watching the 10 foot 10-ball, and the 9-foot 9-ball. To me, and to the commentators, it seemed quite obvious that Johnny Archer was playing the best he has ever played, and also obvious that Johnny and Alex were head and shoulders above the rest of the field that week. A truly fabulous exhibition by 2 great players (one of them at least is American:smile
Factor that performance in with Johnny's performance at the Mosconi Cup under the most pressure there is in pool (WAY more than in a TAR match); and I find it difficult to believe you think Shane is better than Johnny. I just don't see it (though Shane is GREAT:smile
Actually, 2012 was a terrible year for Archer, and many were outraged when he was named to the Mosconi Cup team. Doubt those people have a problem with it now, but the argument that he hadn't earned his spot was certainly reasonable.
Van Boening, on the other hand, probably had his best year in 2012, and one of the best years in the history of American pool. To begin 2013, Shane whitewashed Archer at Turning Stone, 13-5, in the final last weekend.
Comparing Johnny to Shane doesn't really make much sense at this time. Shane's earnings, per AZB listings, were more than five times Archer's earnings in 2012.
JA,
Wow....I guess I don't qualify as "everyone"....and neither do the commentators from the Tunica tournament. I've been watching the 10 foot 10-ball, and the 9-foot 9-ball. To me, and to the commentators, it seemed quite obvious that Johnny Archer was playing the best he has ever played, and also obvious that Johnny and Alex were head and shoulders above the rest of the field that week. A truly fabulous exhibition by 2 great players (one of them at least is American:smile
Factor that performance in with Johnny's performance at the Mosconi Cup under the most pressure there is in pool (WAY more than in a TAR match); and I find it difficult to believe you think Shane is better than Johnny. I just don't see it (though Shane is GREAT:smile
Johnny will be the first to admit that Shane is a better player than him. Johnny won't gamble with Shane on any table other than his home table in Georgia so that should also tell you something. JA is a great player and I believe the 2nd best in the U.S. but SVB has passed him up in most peoples opinion.
I knew it, I knew it, I knew it
As soon as shane has a win the groupies get the yapping. I am surprised that Joey would of been the one to jump up and start it all. I read every single post and was actually surprised that there were still a few logical thinking people out there and that the real greats are not forgotten.
I say the same thing again, Shane is a great player "of the sport" no question but until he puts up Earl Strickland type numbers or Johnny's man of the decade etc etc. Other than that he's just an A player and prob only so cause the other A's aren't playing as much pool as they used to.
and you Joey saying that shane rocked for 2 days when clearly Darren had HIS worst 2 days EVER with out even the mention of that being a factor, shame.
lastly i say again, i am really tired of the shane's the greatest and all the bandwagoning that goes on, Oh Daz is the best player, no the Jing guys is, archer still go it, this guy that guy. make up your mind or call a spade a spade, when it's a spade. oh and god forbid efren should win something then it's back to he's the greatest again, until shane wins something again.
i'm getting angry now, i'm done
As soon as shane has a win the groupies get the yapping. I am surprised that Joey would of been the one to jump up and start it all. I read every single post and was actually surprised that there were still a few logical thinking people out there and that the real greats are not forgotten.
I say the same thing again, Shane is a great player "of the sport" no question but until he puts up Earl Strickland type numbers or Johnny's man of the decade etc etc. Other than that he's just an A player and prob only so cause the other A's aren't playing as much pool as they used to.
and you Joey saying that shane rocked for 2 days when clearly Darren had HIS worst 2 days EVER with out even the mention of that being a factor, shame.
lastly i say again, i am really tired of the shane's the greatest and all the bandwagoning that goes on, Oh Daz is the best player, no the Jing guys is, archer still go it, this guy that guy. make up your mind or call a spade a spade, when it's a spade. oh and god forbid efren should win something then it's back to he's the greatest again, until shane wins something again.
i'm getting angry now, i'm done
You are actually getting angry?
I also read every post and I didn't see anywhere where someone said that Shane is the greatest of all time. I saw some people who said that he is the best American currently, which I agree with. I also read a post who thinks that JA is currently the best American player.
I believe SVB is a better all around player than Darren Appleton, I think DA is slightly better than SVB at 9 ball but the other games I like SVB. I don't think either player played well in the last TAR event but until you have hit balls on that table you can't understand how tough it is.
I think the all time greatest player is Efren and I am amazed at how well he still plays all of the games. Earl has an impressive resume and I don't think any player will surpass what he has done at the US Open.
If SVB can start winning tournaments in other countries he might have a chance to become the best ever but he still has a long way to go. As far as money won lately he seems to be one of the top players in the world currently and is starting off this year well.
You seem to have a lot of anger, and it is hard to see where it is coming from but you might want to look into talking to someone in person and stay away from the forums for a while.
I wasn't able to watch the entire TAR match. I watched bits and pieces at a time (whenever I could sneak away for a few minutes).
The only thing I took away from this match was that Darren's break was really bad. It was actually painful to watch at times. After watching that, I would think there are at least a half dozen U.S. players that could beat him at 10 ball. I wouldn't have thought that going in to this match. I would say SVB, JA, Dechaine, Hatch, Moore, and maybe even someone like Putnam could beat him. That 10 ball break is tough. It doesn't matter if you never miss, if you can't break the balls you're going to get beat.
As far as who is the best U.S player - Shane is clearly the top U.S. player right now. However, I do think Johnny could still give him a run for his money at 9 & 10 ball if he was truly motivated, although the clock is ticking on this. I just don't think Johnny has the desire right now to put in quite enough practice hours on the table to stay at his absolute top level.
The only thing I took away from this match was that Darren's break was really bad. It was actually painful to watch at times. After watching that, I would think there are at least a half dozen U.S. players that could beat him at 10 ball. I wouldn't have thought that going in to this match. I would say SVB, JA, Dechaine, Hatch, Moore, and maybe even someone like Putnam could beat him. That 10 ball break is tough. It doesn't matter if you never miss, if you can't break the balls you're going to get beat.
As far as who is the best U.S player - Shane is clearly the top U.S. player right now. However, I do think Johnny could still give him a run for his money at 9 & 10 ball if he was truly motivated, although the clock is ticking on this. I just don't think Johnny has the desire right now to put in quite enough practice hours on the table to stay at his absolute top level.
JA,
Wow....I guess I don't qualify as "everyone"....and neither do the commentators from the Tunica tournament. I've been watching the 10 foot 10-ball, and the 9-foot 9-ball. To me, and to the commentators, it seemed quite obvious that Johnny Archer was playing the best he has ever played, and also obvious that Johnny and Alex were head and shoulders above the rest of the field that week. A truly fabulous exhibition by 2 great players (one of them at least is American:smile
Factor that performance in with Johnny's performance at the Mosconi Cup under the most pressure there is in pool (WAY more than in a TAR match); and I find it difficult to believe you think Shane is better than Johnny. I just don't see it (though Shane is GREAT:smile
Johnny Archer is the second best player in America, primarily because of Shane's banking ability and prowess at one pocket. Johnny shoots just as straight as Shane and plays shape as well as anyone and either player could win a match of 9 ball or 10 ball against each other. Personally, I think Johnny has a slight edge on Shane when it comes to jump shots.
In this match against Darren I saw Shane shooting bank shots that others are want to play safe on. It's my perspective nothing more.
Now for the next challenge, I would love to see Dennis Orcullo and Shane play 10 ball, a race to three sets, racing to 25 in each set. I'm curious more than anything else. Maybe Shane is not at the beginning of a player's dynasty as I call it and is just having a good start this year. Time will tell.
Darren Appleton is still playing GREAT pool. The tight pocketed table made both of them look human. On easier equipment they will continue to look like the pool gods we think they are. :grin:
Hmm,I think you are right.I think it is a straight stock cue.
I try to not be too nosey,just a little bit.
He didn't dominate Archer in the last TAR match, I believe Archer won 2 out of 3 of sets. They played pretty long races of 10 ball on that tight diamond...I believe he lost to Bustamante also. Shane is definately the player to beat in every tournament with out a doubt. I can't wait to see how he plays at DCC this year!!!
It was a reference to where he fits in amounts pros same way another top would at a local open etc joss, mezz, predator. My apologies for not going into detail on that, but I do try to keep my post short
Arguably in the world? Yes, deserves argument
@Joey
Not that it matters or that you should care, but I do appreciate your last comment more than I do your first. It seemed more statistic and less bias, which is how I would rather see people talk when referring to Shane, or other world class players
Not that it matters or that you should care, but I do appreciate your last comment more than I do your first. It seemed more statistic and less bias, which is how I would rather see people talk when referring to Shane, or other world class players