Shanella Loraine More Photo!!!

Sweet Marissa said:
Not everyone is so shallow that they flock to what conventional society tells them is beautiful or attractive. I would much prefer intellect and personality over vapidity and beauty any day.
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Your views are correct... in a world where people are motivated by principles and intellect. We aren't there yet. Evolution is dammed slow. We have to endure it darlin. And... we have to smile and understand that it just takes time... a sh!t-load of time. Life just ain't fair.
 
Sweet Marissa said:
Reread my post that you quoted. I encourage people to support the female players that can actually play. Jeanette and Jennifer can play. Why do people talk about Shanelle? She's pretty and has big breasts? Good for her. Use them to land a modelling gig. This is pool and billiards, and I don't understand why I have to reiterate that. It is beyond me. If you want to see T&A, there are plenty of sites on the internet for that very purpose.

And no. If I saw pictures of a dude on here that couldn't play, I'd say they don't belong here because this is a pool and billiards forum.

Not everyone is so shallow that they flock to what conventional society tells them is beautiful or attractive. I would much prefer intellect and personality over vapidity and beauty any day.
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Like you said, this is a pool and billiards forum, and guess what? She plays pool. I don't recall AzBilliards ever claiming to only be for and about great players. All levels of players are discussed here almost daily, including complete bangers.

What makes her so much different than say Jeanette Lee? Jeanette has made 95+% of her money due to her looks. You are fooling yourself if you think otherwise, but yet you aren't complaining about her. Sure, she can play better than Loraine, but she is barely top 10 material now and will probably never be much higher than that again because of the much tougher fields now. There are quite a few players with more ability and less looks than her (just like you say for Loraine). I'm sure if it weren't for her looks she might still have some sponsors anyway (probably 5-10% of what she gets now), but she would be making more like the same kind of money as say Vivian Villareal, who she has averaged pretty close to even with in the rankings for about 15 years.

Loraine still plays better than 90+% of women who play pool, and if she doesn't deserve some of that attention because there are other better more deserving players, then the same also goes for Jeanette Lee or Jennifer Berretta etc.

That being said, I think it is an absolute travesty that one of the very best female players in the world, Karen Korr, can't get a sponsor at all. I do actually agree with some of your points to a degree, but there is some hypocrisy in harping on just one person when there are several others that fit the very same profile (and are exploiting it to an even bigger degree and a lot more $$$). The fact of the matter is that nature made men very interested in good looking women, and women also tend to respond well to them in marketing. Things probably aren't going to be changing any time soon.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
Like you said, this is a pool and billiards forum, and guess what? She plays pool. I don't recall AzBilliards ever claiming to only be for and about great players. All levels of players are discussed here almost daily, including complete bangers.

What makes her so much different than say Jeanette Lee? Jeanette has made 95+% of her money due to her looks. You are fooling yourself if you think otherwise, but yet you aren't complaining about her. Sure, she can play better than Loraine, but she is barely top 10 material now and will probably never be much higher than that again because of the much tougher fields now. There are quite a few players with more ability and less looks than her (just like you say for Loraine). I'm sure if it weren't for her looks she might still have some sponsors anyway (probably 5-10% of what she gets now), but she would be making more like the same kind of money as say Vivian Villareal, who she has averaged pretty close to even with in the rankings for about 15 years.

Loraine still plays better than 90+% of women who play pool, and if she doesn't deserve some of that attention because there are other better more deserving players, then the same also goes for Jeanette Lee or Jennifer Berretta etc.

That being said, I think it is an absolute travesty that one of the very best female players in the world, Karen Korr, can't get a sponsor at all. I do actually agree with some of your points to a degree, but there is some hypocrisy in harping on just one person when there are several others that fit the very same profile (and are exploiting it to an even bigger degree and a lot more $$$). The fact of the matter is that nature made men very interested in good looking women, and women also tend to respond well to them in marketing. Things probably aren't going to be changing any time soon.
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You are way under rating Jeanette. She has a rare combination of looks, brains, personality and talent that has made her a phenomenon in the pool world. She is the biggest thing in pool since Fats, and it didn't happen just because she has a pretty face. By the way, top ten on the women's tour is a VERY good player! I happen to like Jeanette's overall game too. She can and will play any game and isn't afraid to make a little wager also. The girl's got heart, big time!
 
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Sweet Marissa said:
Dude, I may not be the greatest looking chick, but I'm not ugly, either. My self esteem and self worth are just fine.

Now, if someone was posting pictures of Jasmin, I'd most certainly be checking those out. She is gorgeous, sweet, dresses with class when she plays, and man, can she play.
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Marissa, Sorry if you thought that i was calling you ugly. I was not, and you are not.

I actually meant "ugly green-eyed monster", just a term meaning jealously.

Sorry!

I much prefer Jasmin also.:thumbup:

Jim
 
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Sweet Marissa said:
Um, because this is a POOL & BILLIARDS forum and as far as anyone can tell, she's not a pool player. There's a difference between pool player and ball banger.

I'm going to run around with my arms out and be a plane. Anyone else want to play pretend?

hahaha Ridiculous.
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I think the bangers on here wouldn't appreciate your comments. This is a pool and billiards forum - and the "bangers" learn and contribute on this forum as much as the "pool players." LMAO. THAT is ridiculous - that you think a banger should be treated differently on this "pool and billiard forum." We all started off as bangers.

The girl is obviously playing pool - the photos are at tournaments AND she is playing in the tournaments. Yea, she's good looking and yea she maybe she is getting sponsors because of her looks, but that's nothing new in sports. Why should we be different?
 
jay helfert said:
You are way under rating Jeanette. She has a rare combination of looks, brains, personality and talent that has made her a phenomenon in the pool world. She is the biggest thing in pool since Fats, and it didn't happen just because she has a pretty face. By the way, top ten on the women's tour is a VERY good player! I happen to like Jeanette's overall game too. She can and will play any game and isn't afraid to make a little wager also. The girl's got heart, big time!
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I agree with you. She has talent, and all of those other things too. However, if she looked like say Vivian or Karen (not saying they are ugly), she wouldn't be where she is now, or even close. There are other girls that have just as much brains, personality and talent too. Vivian arguably has an even better personality for example. You are way under-rating where her looks got her.
 
cuechick said:
Have you ever seen her play? You are off by a good 50 or 60% or even more. D is not just her cup size.
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I didn't say better than 90% of pros, or even the type of players that play the various ladies tours or tournaments. I said better than 90% of women players, which includes women that play with their boyfriends, or just on dates, or in bars, in leagues, and also tournaments etc. I bet I'm pretty close. She certainly can't be anywhere close to the bottom 50% of all women who play as you suggest. And yes, I've seen her play a little.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
I didn't say better than 90% of pros, or even the type of players that play the various ladies tours or tournaments. I said better than 90% of women players, which includes women that play with their boyfriends, or just on dates, or in bars, in leagues, and also tournaments etc. I bet I'm pretty close. She certainly can't be anywhere close to the bottom 50% of all women who play as you suggest. And yes, I've seen her play a little.
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Well if you look at it that way, sure, I mean she is better than my Mom, and the lady that did my pedicure the other day and the chick who waited on me at lunch. Yeah, you got me there.:o
 
cuechick said:
Well if you look at it that way, sure, I mean she is better than my Mom, and the lady that did my pedicure the other day and the chick who waited on me at lunch. Yeah, you got me there.:o
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Even if she were the worst woman player in the world, you are missing the point. There are other women, like Jeanette or Jennifer, that get sponsorship because of their looks than could go to other players that are more deserving based on ability. What makes it ok for them, but not for Shanelle?

Is it more excusable the better a player gets? Maybe we have a tendency to look at it that way, but I don't know that there should really be a distinction. I mean if it's wrong for a crappy player to get sponsors based on their looks that could have gone to players with more ability, then it's just as wrong for a really good player (Jeanette, Jennifer etc.) to get sponsors based on their looks that could have gone to even better players with even more ability (Allison, Karen etc). What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

In a perfect world looks shouldn't be a factor but that isn't the world we live in. Frankly, I'm really not too worried about it because that's just the way it is and it's not going to change. But if you think it's wrong, then it's wrong for any player. Right and wrong doesn't change based a how well someone plays.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
Even if she were the worst woman player in the world, you are missing the point. There are other women, like Jeanette or Jennifer, that get sponsorship because of their looks than could go to other players that are more deserving based on ability. What makes it ok for them, but not for Shanelle?

Is it more excusable the better a player gets? Maybe we have a tendency to look at it that way, but I don't know that there should really be a distinction. I mean if it's wrong for a crappy player to get sponsors based on their looks that could have gone to players with more ability, then it's just as wrong for a really good player (Jeanette, Jennifer etc.) to get sponsors based on their looks that could have gone to even better players with even more ability (Allison, Karen etc). What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

In a perfect world looks shouldn't be a factor but that isn't the world we live in. Frankly, I'm really not too worried about it because that's just the way it is and it's not going to change. But if you think it's wrong, then it's wrong for any player. Right and wrong doesn't change based a how well someone plays.
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I am not missing anything, I made no comment on whether or not she was worthy of sponsorship. I only took issue with your statement that she plays better than "90% of women that play". I took that to mean, women that play! Serious pool, not casual, recreational players. And I seriously doubt that she is better than the top 50% of women that play at any serious level. I could care less if she attracts sponsors and attention based solely on her looks. If it brings attention to our sport, I say that is a good thing.

But do not put her in the same category of Jeanette or Jennifer, when she can not come close to their level of play.
 
I saw her miss ball in hand three times in an exhibition race to three...

but she was fun to look at while playing horribly.......
 
I wouldn't sell Jeanette too short on the talent or the drive she had/has to get where she is today. IMO if she looked like Vivian or the normal women she would find a way to promote herself to to top in money. She would get a personal trainer, make-overs, even surgery to look the best she could. Jeanette worked 100 hour weeks practicing and knocking on doors for sponsorship. Johnnyt
 
cuechick said:
I am not missing anything, I made no comment on whether or not she was worthy of sponsorship. I only took issue with your statement that she plays better than "90% of women that play". I took that to mean, women that play! Serious pool, not casual, recreational players. And I seriously doubt that she is better than the top 50% of women that play at any serious level. I could care less if she attracts sponsors and attention based solely on her looks. If it brings attention to our sport, I say that is a good thing.

But do not put her in the same category of Jeanette or Jennifer, when she can not come close to their level of play.
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Got it. You just misunderstood what I meant by "90+% of women who play pool." I meant it exactly as I wrote it, not as 90+% of serious women players.

I also never put Shanelle in the same ability category as Jeanette or Jennifer (which would be ludicrous), so if appears that you are reading into it something that isn't there again. Other than that it seems that we agree. :)
 
Sweet Marissa said:
If she were a spokesmodel, that would be different. She would be paid for her looks (and there's no denying she's frikkin gorgeous). However, she is being invited to tournaments that could go to more deserving players, all because of Charlie Williams.

EDIT: While in Vegas this year, I was threatened to stop posting negatively about Charlie Williams or I wouldn't be allowed at his tournaments so I feel obligated to say that when I say "Charlie Williams", I in no way infer that Dragon Promotions as an entity is trying to get into anyone's pants.
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I guess every controversy always comes full circle back to CW.

Why would you want to give your money to him in the first place.

As you can see, I can post negatively about the Charlie Williams all i want, cause if i go to one of his tournaments, it's not for the pleasure of his company.
More likely it will be to hold him down while Corey gets a couple more shots in.
But i would never actually give him a dime of my money.

Funny how he has to try and wield his power to get ass cause he's certainly not going to get it based on his dashing good looks or charming personality.......that is unless he goes into a booth at the adult bookstore/video.
 
SUPERSTAR said:
I guess every controversy always comes full circle back to CW.

Why would you want to give your money to him in the first place.

As you can see, I can post negatively about the Charlie Williams all i want, cause if i go to one of his tournaments, it's not for the pleasure of his company.
More likely it will be to hold him down while Corey gets a couple more shots in.
But i would never actually give him a dime of my money.

Funny how he has to try and wield his power to get ass cause he's certainly not going to get it based on his dashing good looks or charming personality.......that is unless he goes into a booth at the adult bookstore/video.
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I can go in a booth for that?:eek: Johnnyt
 
Poolplaya9 said:
Got it. You just misunderstood what I meant by "90+% of women who play pool." I meant it exactly as I wrote it, not as 90+% of serious women players.

I also never put Shanelle in the same ability category as Jeanette or Jennifer (which would be ludicrous), so if appears that you are reading into it something that isn't there again. Other than that it seems that we agree. :)
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So your saying what you meant to say was she plays better than 90% of women that play, not counting; all regional tour players, league players, semi pros, pros and anyone else that can run more than 3 or 4 balls at a time.

Yeah, I didn't get that from your original statement.
 
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