Shark Move Part 58 - Verbal Concession

OverTheNut

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9 ball. You're 5-4 up.

Opponent misses the 7 and leaves an easy 7/8/9 run-out. He clearly says 'well that's 6-4 to you then'.

So you pick the balls up and start racking them because he verbally conceded.

He (obviously) claims that he didn't really concede - but also he should have kept his mouth shut.

What would the ruling be here? (apart from both get a life - sort it out outside etc.).
 
OverTheNut said:
9 ball. You're 5-4 up.

Opponent misses the 7 and leaves an easy 7/8/9 run-out. He clearly says 'well that's 6-4 to you then'.

So you pick the balls up and start racking them because he verbally conceded.

He (obviously) claims that he didn't really concede - but also he should have kept his mouth shut.

What would the ruling be here? (apart from both get a life - sort it out outside etc.).
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clear concession. fk that nit.
 
Shooting an 8-ball Tourney had the Cat I was shooting miss a ball with me on the hill. He clearly stated "Nice Tournament", I thanked him and gathered my stuff up. After a few minutes of the Table being unused the Tournament Director ask what was going on over there. One of the Guys said, Brian 4-1. The Cat that conceded then swore up and down he didn't concede. At that point about 10-12 Guys told him he definitely conceded and that shit isn't tolerated here. He packed up and left. Brian.
 
OverTheNut said:
9 ball. You're 5-4 up.

Opponent misses the 7 and leaves an easy 7/8/9 run-out. He clearly says 'well that's 6-4 to you then'.

So you pick the balls up and start racking them because he verbally conceded.

He (obviously) claims that he didn't really concede - but also he should have kept his mouth shut.

What would the ruling be here? (apart from both get a life - sort it out outside etc.).
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Depends what has happened earlier in the match but that isn't a "standard" point of concession. I would clarify before moving a ball.

Not saying it was in this particular case but that is a common lowlife move, to indicate a concession then claim they didn't concede. Some people do it in the hope of causing an argument and taking you out of your stride, some do it just to win one game.

Another common move when playing a tournament set is to let players rake the last ball when it is a tap in for the entire set up to the last game then call a foul when the other player assumes they don't need to hit the last ball. That can be a loss of game, a foul, or a replay. The foul is often loss of tournament if it is hill hill.

If you don't know someone very well play strictly by the rules including shooting the money ball. You can concede theirs if you like, don't let them concede yours particularly on the last game. Some are famous for waiting entire matches to pull a move. Not calling the pocket clearly is
another move. Best to follow the rules even if the other player isn't and you don't have to worry about chickenshit moves.

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
Depends what has happened earlier in the match but that isn't a "standard" point of concession. I would clarify before moving a ball.

Not saying it was in this particular case but that is a common lowlife move, to indicate a concession then claim they didn't concede. Some people do it in the hope of causing an argument and taking you out of your stride, some do it just to win one game.

Another common move when playing a tournament set is to let players rake the last ball when it is a tap in for the entire set up to the last game then call a foul when the other player assumes they don't need to hit the last ball. That can be a loss of game, a foul, or a replay. The foul is often loss of tournament if it is hill hill.

If you don't know someone very well play strictly by the rules including shooting the money ball. You can concede theirs if you like, don't let them concede yours particularly on the last game. Some are famous for waiting entire matches to pull a move. Not calling the pocket clearly is
another move. Best to follow the rules even if the other player isn't and you don't have to worry about chickenshit moves.

Hu
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I was playing in ND state 8-ball bar table tournament and they had that patch BS where you put it by the pocket when you are shooting the 8 ball.

We were playing hill-hill in a match and I break and run the table down to the 8 ball and it is a tapper. The patch is on the other end of the table, I point my cue at the pocket and call the pocket and the guy nods his acknowledgement, so I shoot it in and he IMMEDIATELY says, "you didn't put the patch by the pocket" and runs over and finds a referree and I lost that match and went into the loser's bracket.

I would never have done such a chickenshit move to anyone.

That is why I always preferred gambling to playing tournaments with nits.
 
OverTheNut said:
9 ball. You're 5-4 up.

Opponent misses the 7 and leaves an easy 7/8/9 run-out. He clearly says 'well that's 6-4 to you then'.

So you pick the balls up and start racking them because he verbally conceded.

He (obviously) claims that he didn't really concede - but also he should have kept his mouth shut.

What would the ruling be here? (apart from both get a life - sort it out outside etc.).
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I would of immediately gone to him to shake his hand.
And say thx.
 
If I am conceding to someone I will use my hand and roll the money ball in so there is no question. If it is someone I know well I will try to toss my towel on the table in front of the money ball about the same time he hits the Q ball. There is never any question my intent. If someone says nice game or something similar before I hit the money ball I will walk over and shake their hand before touching anything on the table. We don't use pocket markers but we play call ball/pocket, I always, always call the money ball, even if its ridiculously obvious. I have yet to have any problems.
 
HawaiianEye said:
I was playing in ND state 8-ball bar table tournament and they had that patch BS where you put it by the pocket when you are shooting the 8 ball.

We were playing hill-hill in a match and I break and run the table down to the 8 ball and it is a tapper. The patch is on the other end of the table, I point my cue at the pocket and call the pocket and the guy nods his acknowledgement, so I shoot it in and he IMMEDIATELY says, "you didn't put the patch by the pocket" and runs over and finds a referree and I lost that match and went into the loser's bracket.

I would never have done such a chickenshit move to anyone.

That is why I always preferred gambling to playing tournaments with nits.
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Never used markers myself but I have been nearby when they were using markers many times. I have seen basically this move over and over. A slight point with your stick is plenty good the whole match then when Ray Charles could have seen which pocket you were shooting at, "you didn't call your pocket"!! Often a game or even match stolen that way. With the team crap sometimes it is the captain or somebody else calling it. If my own team tried to pull something so lowlife I would hope I palmed a coin out of my pocket and pointed it out on the pocket iron. "There it is."

Guess this is why I have never played on a team. This seems like where these offenses are most common. Most even half sporting people give one warning anyway. I do think things are different playing on a team but you make that plain before the first ball is hit in the match.

Just had a thought, bring your marker from home. Be sure to load it in cat or dog poo so people can smell if you called the pocket or not!

While I have little sympathy for those that won't come to pre-event meetings, I have little respect for those that try to legislate wins.

Hu
 
Sounds like he conceded to me, and if someone else heard him say that, I would say that it was right to pick them up and rerack. If no one else heard it, I would for sure double check with him first to make sure that's what he meant. Should you have to do that, no, but some people are that way.
I had a situation happen to me last year where it looked as though my opponent fouled. he went over to the table where they were sitting at and I was already getting up as I was positive he fouled. I then, before picking the ball up, looked at him and said, ball in hand right? He just looked at me like I wasn't there and never said yes or no. I picked up the cue ball and all hell breaks loose with him saying what are you doing, there was no foul. Some pool players are just jerks, no two ways about it.
 
that is a far cry from a concession. i would rule in his favor. don't be so quick to move any balls in a tournament.

a tournament is a game of rules and using the rules to your advantage is part of tournament play even if it is not your cup of tea. so beware.
 
maha said:
that is a far cry from a concession. i would rule in his favor. don't be so quick to move any balls in a tournament.

a tournament is a game of rules and using the rules to your advantage is part of tournament play even if it is not your cup of tea. so beware.
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I concede NOTHING.

I DGAF if the game ball is hanging in the pocket and the cue ball is two foot away.
 
between friends its one thing but in a tournament it is over when the winning ball is pocketed or the opponent puts it in with his hand or messes up the table and concedes.
if you want your tournament life decided by a t.d. who may be friends with your opponent or makes the wrong call. then go for it.
 
OverTheNut said:
9 ball. You're 5-4 up.

Opponent misses the 7 and leaves an easy 7/8/9 run-out. He clearly says 'well that's 6-4 to you then'.

So you pick the balls up and start racking them because he verbally conceded.

He (obviously) claims that he didn't really concede - but also he should have kept his mouth shut.

What would the ruling be here? (apart from both get a life - sort it out outside etc.).
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Its 6-4.
 
ShootingArts said:
Depends what has happened earlier in the match but that isn't a "standard" point of concession. I would clarify before moving a ball.

Not saying it was in this particular case but that is a common lowlife move, to indicate a concession then claim they didn't concede. Some people do it in the hope of causing an argument and taking you out of your stride, some do it just to win one game.

Another common move when playing a tournament set is to let players rake the last ball when it is a tap in for the entire set up to the last game then call a foul when the other player assumes they don't need to hit the last ball. That can be a loss of game, a foul, or a replay. The foul is often loss of tournament if it is hill hill.

If you don't know someone very well play strictly by the rules including shooting the money ball. You can concede theirs if you like, don't let them concede yours particularly on the last game. Some are famous for waiting entire matches to pull a move. Not calling the pocket clearly is
another move. Best to follow the rules even if the other player isn't and you don't have to worry about chickenshit moves.

Hu
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Thats one more reason I could never play in tournaments.
 
HawaiianEye said:
I was playing in ND state 8-ball bar table tournament and they had that patch BS where you put it by the pocket when you are shooting the 8 ball.

We were playing hill-hill in a match and I break and run the table down to the 8 ball and it is a tapper. The patch is on the other end of the table, I point my cue at the pocket and call the pocket and the guy nods his acknowledgement, so I shoot it in and he IMMEDIATELY says, "you didn't put the patch by the pocket" and runs over and finds a referree and I lost that match and went into the loser's bracket.

I would never have done such a chickenshit move to anyone.

That is why I always preferred gambling to playing tournaments with nits.
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He would have found he had some company waiting in the parking lot.
 
HawaiianEye said:
I was playing in ND state 8-ball bar table tournament and they had that patch BS where you put it by the pocket when you are shooting the 8 ball.

We were playing hill-hill in a match and I break and run the table down to the 8 ball and it is a tapper. The patch is on the other end of the table, I point my cue at the pocket and call the pocket and the guy nods his acknowledgement, so I shoot it in and he IMMEDIATELY says, "you didn't put the patch by the pocket" and runs over and finds a referree and I lost that match and went into the loser's bracket.

I would never have done such a chickenshit move to anyone.

That is why I always preferred gambling to playing tournaments with nits.
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He would have found he had some company waiting in the parking lot
ShootingArts said:
Never used markers myself but I have been nearby when they were using markers many times. I have seen basically this move over and over. A slight point with your stick is plenty good the whole match then when Ray Charles could have seen which pocket you were shooting at, "you didn't call your pocket"!! Often a game or even match stolen that way. With the team crap sometimes it is the captain or somebody else calling it. If my own team tried to pull something so lowlife I would hope I palmed a coin out of my pocket and pointed it out on the pocket iron. "There it is."

Guess this is why I have never played on a team. This seems like where these offenses are most common. Most even half sporting people give one warning anyway. I do think things are different playing on a team but you make that plain before the first ball is hit in the match.

Just had a thought, bring your marker from home. Be sure to load it in cat or dog poo so people can smell if you called the pocket or not!

While I have little sympathy for those that won't come to pre-event meetings, I have little respect for those that try to legislate wins.

Hu
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Well said!!👍🏻
 
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