Shaw/ Bergman- OFF

9BallKY said:
IMO with Shaw being the number 4 ranked player in the world that he would be favorite to win. Bergman is the 26th ranked player. The tighter the table the more it should favor Shaw. He should be grabbing his cue and saying let's play instead of looking for an excuse not to play. If I was Bergman he would never get a chance at any of my money ever again.
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Shaw explains some of the stuff last time they played that
got in his head here:http://poolpodcasts.blubrry.net/

This, coupled with the fact that he practiced on a table
with very specific conditions, his run and gun style,
and he has a lot of his own money on it.

Hard to understand if your not in the guys shoes I imagine.
 
Even though Shaw and Bergman got cancelled, some great action still going down in Spartanburg S Carolina starting Thursday and all thru the weekend. :happydance:

Django vs T-Rex One Hole Thursday

The Iceberg vs The Prince of Pool 8 Ball Fri-Sat-Sun and Monday if needed

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9BallKY said:
IMO with Shaw being the number 4 ranked player in the world that he would be favorite to win. Bergman is the 26th ranked player. The tighter the table the more it should favor Shaw. He should be grabbing his cue and saying let's play instead of looking for an excuse not to play. If I was Bergman he would never get a chance at any of my money ever again.
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Meh. Shaw is an incomplete player. I mean.. His game is COMPLETELY based on shotmaking, which is why he is pretty much dead money in any game where thinking is required.

Which is why he wants absolutely no part of playing Justin Bergman on a tight table. Because he knows that he can't just shoot down his opponent in that sort of situation. And along that line of thinking, Bergman is smart enough to realize that Shaw will get antsy if he doesn't get many easy layouts in a row, and will be prime for Bergman to leave a few teaser sucker shots in a row for Shaw to shoot at..

Which Shaw WILL shoot at. He can't help himself.

Joshua Filler, on the other hand, shoots STRAIGHTER than Shaw, but looks to be developing as an overall player. Trying to get better at other games.. He gambled at DCC at Banks, barbox 8 ball, etc...

Sorry, but it's just my opinion that Shaw is way too one-dimensional as a player to be as arrogant as he is.
 
When ads were run and money is spent and you got the plane tickets and a guy picking you up-you show up.Cut the bet,skip a day and get the table exactly how you want,whatever.But show up....This was a Mariah Carey diva move.
 
Jayson is alienating a lot of fans. He's now defiantly taunting all his haters in a way a professional sponsored player should never do. Fans are fickle...he may learn the hard way that he is ultimately an entertainer with a responsibility to his fans and the game he makes a living at. This me against the world routine is a tough way to go.

Nice to see the other players step up and give the people what they want...a great event. Bustamante vs Chohan should be a great set.

Somebody should figure out a touring king of the hill competition to highlight top players and pool rooms. Would be an easy thing to do and garner a lot of attention.
 
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Whew it's been a while but I'd like to chime in to hear what others think of my thoughts.
Now first I have always found it sad that people base such opinions about people when they were not there or have all the details, also you're not the person so it's a bit hard to say what's the right call.
Now that being said I would like to know, did
(a) Shane
(b) Alex
(c) Cory
get to practice on an equal table to the one they were going to be playing on prior to their big match?
Had this been an "one the spot" bet would one need X amount of time playing on said table prior to agreeing to play the match? And lastly as a Pro and top Pro at that (not to discredit the mental side on this match knowing how mental this game is period) should the pocket size or whatever be that big of a deal to where whatever agreed upon table that to change can make a Pro back out? I mean we're not talking about going from a GC or Diamond to a Joy now are we?
As long as all the other rules are met to totally void a "move" being made a simple "ok fine, whatever but I'll need a day to hit some balls on this new table and the TD/Promoter has to pay for my day (just saying) since you guys want to switch tables on me at this point (if that is what happened) and then I'll play, if not then it's off cause now my head is messed up wondering what other move you guys might pull (again if that is what happened).
 
gxman said:
Maybe his wife told him(Shaw) to call off the match.

I'm not buying the they change the table specs story.
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I was thinking the same thing. They just had a baby boy and already have a really cute little girl. She's a strong woman to deal with a global-trotting pool player who seems to be away from home more than he's at home. She also deals with the trolls on social media bashing the mans he loves as well as herself.

Most full-time global-trotting pool champions do endure difficulties when married or having girlfriends. The majority of these pool champsion, in case you haven't noticed, are not married. The distractions on the pool tournament trail are brutal to a relationship, and I'll just leave it at that.
 
9BallKY said:
IMO with Shaw being the number 4 ranked player in the world that he would be favorite to win. Bergman is the 26th ranked player. The tighter the table the more it should favor Shaw. He should be grabbing his cue and saying let's play instead of looking for an excuse not to play. If I was Bergman he would never get a chance at any of my money ever again.
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I don't believe that his reason for his not playing had anything to do with the table, the cloth, the pockets, the balls or any other such things. JMHO as always. :cool:
 
RichSchultz said:
Niels seems to travel, and is level headed and well-adjusted...with a new baby.
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That is a rarity. I said "most."

There are quite a few pro champion-caliber players who travel the international tournament trail and have no wife or girlfriend, and many who did have a wife and/or girlfriend -- not all -- many are now single.

There's a reason why, of course, and that is the distractions, which I will not illustrate in this thread. But those of us who have been to the big pool events have seen these distractions up front and close. In fact, some of these distractions seem to follow the tournament trail.
 
Cardigan Kid said:
That looks like 4 1/4"' to me. Also that table cloth is considerably worn. Was the agreement for new cloth on standard diamond?
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Yes, the overhead photo of the corner pocket with the 2 balls placed at the mouth appears just slightly tighter than a standard Diamond tour cut 4-1/2" pocket - I would say between 4-3/8" and 4-7/16".
 
On the other hand...knowing he agreed to play, wouldn't he be responsible for bringing any specific concerns about details to the table?

One can't expect another to be able to successfully predict all needs.

He got pics of the table and said nothing.

7forlife said:
Whew it's been a while but I'd like to chime in to hear what others think of my thoughts.
Now first I have always found it sad that people base such opinions about people when they were not there or have all the details, also you're not the person so it's a bit hard to say what's the right call.
Now that being said I would like to know, did
(a) Shane
(b) Alex
(c) Cory
get to practice on an equal table to the one they were going to be playing on prior to their big match?
Had this been an "one the spot" bet would one need X amount of time playing on said table prior to agreeing to play the match? And lastly as a Pro and top Pro at that (not to discredit the mental side on this match knowing how mental this game is period) should the pocket size or whatever be that big of a deal to where whatever agreed upon table that to change can make a Pro back out? I mean we're not talking about going from a GC or Diamond to a Joy now are we?
As long as all the other rules are met to totally void a "move" being made a simple "ok fine, whatever but I'll need a day to hit some balls on this new table and the TD/Promoter has to pay for my day (just saying) since you guys want to switch tables on me at this point (if that is what happened) and then I'll play, if not then it's off cause now my head is messed up wondering what other move you guys might pull (again if that is what happened).
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Back to the Bergman and Corey match.

So 200-300 racks of barbox 8b. That's a lot to watch on a barbox(7ft diamond).

Both good guys, hard to root against either player.
 
gxman said:
Not much tighter than my home table and I'm a C player on a good day.

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Now that is what I always thought 4.5" diamond pockets look like.
My last table had 4.25" pockets and I learned that the game changes a bit, where you might not be able to cheat the pocket to get position as much, so you play more conservative in position and rail amounts to get position.

I always thought the .25" would just improve my shot making, but what it also did was keep me from running correct routes because I didn't want to hang the ball.
Now, I am no Jayson Shaw, but I would believe he would not benefit for the missing .25" as Bergman would.
 
9BallKY said:
IMO with Shaw being the number 4 ranked player in the world that he would be favorite to win. Bergman is the 26th ranked player. The tighter the table the more it should favor Shaw. He should be grabbing his cue and saying let's play instead of looking for an excuse not to play. If I was Bergman he would never get a chance at any of my money ever again.
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But a tight table will NOT favor Shaw against Bergman. Shaw plays best fast and loose. Bergman is very methodical and calculating and he maps out exact cue ball position on every shot. That type of cue ball precision is more important on tight tables, since you can't cheat the pocket as easily.
 
Is the Bergman-Deuel match going to be streamed?

On the original topic- I understand that Shaw is a free wheeler and that smaller pockets might hinder him in that style, but he shoots so straight that I'm surprised it would really be a deal breaker.
 
No one invited Thorpe and Sky to this get together?

I would love to see Billy in 1p action vs Busta/T-rex.

If he wants to be known as 1p monster, he needs to get in the ring with them.
 
westcoast said:
Is the Bergman-Deuel match going to be streamed?

On the original topic- I understand that Shaw is a free wheeler and that smaller pockets might hinder him in that style, but he shoots so straight that I'm surprised it would really be a deal breaker.
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It's not about him missing open shots. It's about him not having as precise of cue ball control as Bergman. If Shaw gets out of line, it's much easier for him to continue his run on standard sized pockets. On tight pockets, he's more likely to rattle a ball when trying to force position or cheat the pocket.

I'm curious though if the match was suppose to be winner break, or alternate break. In a winner break format and standard pocket size, Shaw is figuring to put together way more packages than on tight pockets, where getting perfect position is more important. I think with tight pockets, Bergman is still able to put packages together "almost" as well. At this level, all Bergman needs is a little edge and that could be enough to give him the win.
 
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