Shaw calls out dechaine:)

[JumpinJoe]

That was a different breed of pool player in a different era that did that. Unfortunately not one pool player on the planet that I know of will do that with their own money unless they are a heavy favorite. Not one does that on a coin flip. Once upon a time pool players did put their own money in the middle and were true gamblers. There is no gamble in getting staked or playing exhibitions.

There's still PLENTY of players out there that bet their own cash. Just not the prima donnas usually. But it's not these two.

And these two are a very close match. Neither one can play anything other then rotation though. They both play banks, and one pocket hideous. And kick bad and play bad safes. They are one trick ponies.

 

[TWOFORPOOL]

That was a different breed of pool player in a different era that did that. Unfortunately not one pool player on the planet that I know of will do that with their own money unless they are a heavy favorite. Not one does that on a coin flip. Once upon a time pool players did put their own money in the middle and were true gamblers. There is no gamble in getting staked or playing exhibitions.

As I recall Irvine Crane said:

In gambling the winner is decided on three things:

How big the table is.
How tight are the pockets.
Who's money they are playing on.

 

[JumpinJoe]

Yes, and this was a time where the economy was doing better (relative to cost of living), and there was no such thing as a cell phone.
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Players could bet their own because if they went bust, they got a "walking stick" and go prolly go 10 miles down the road and play in a $1/$2 9 ball ring game in almost any bar to pump back up.

Hell, even when I was playing in the mid-90's there were ring games in bars.. $5.00 8 ball, etc...

Nowadays, that kind of action is actually pretty hard to find..

It's a different world, my man.. The economic realities are such that players are gonna look for some safety net...

Or would you rather they actually become homeless with no prospects at a money game if they lose a match?

Short Bus Russ

They are already homeless for the most of them. I'd say 75%

 

[Jaden]

betting your own cash is one thing...

There's still PLENTY of players out there that bet their own cash. Just not the prima donnas usually. But it's not these two.

And these two are a very close match. Neither one can play anything other then rotation though. They both play banks, and one pocket hideous. And kick bad and play bad safes. They are one trick ponies.

betting your own is one thing, leveraging your house/car/musical instruments etc... is entirely another.

Jaden

 

[dabarbr]

Anyone who would bet all their possessions on a game of skill is an idiot.

Even the number one player in the world isn't so good that they can't lose to the number 5 on occasion, so anyone who would bet all of their possessions on any one thing is an idiot.

Jaden

I guess I was quite the idiot back in the sixties and seventies because I used to bet all I had numerous times. Trouble was that all my possessions didn't add up to much. Thank goodness those days are behind me.
P.S. I like Eagle Eye in the match up. Shaw 75 vs Dechaine 55

 

[Mkbtank]

I don't know shaw but I do know Mike, and he is a tool. Not nice, or respectful at all and whines when he loses. If they do play I hope shaw kicks his a$$.

 

[Rjmoncrief]

20k ?

This shits all Jason's fault anyhow. He's an arrogant clown, IMO.
He beat Mike first round and ran to Facebook to post about it. 31 players, I drew Dechaine and I beat him again or some shit. So he gets mad when he goes to the one loss side then Mike knocks him out of the event, Mike returns the favor, runs to Facebook and says I made it thru to Sunday, just beat jayson Shaw again.

Lmao.

2 prima donnas, 2nd tier pros, that won't just shut up and let their pool games do the speaking for themselves. And they wonder why there's never any sponsorship money out there for them or anyone.

Play for 20k, give me a break. They couldn't round up 20k between both their bank accounts and all their possessions. They would both need stake horses.
Why don't they invest and just bet ALL they got? If you got 6k to your name bet it, no backer, put the heat on yourself. You think they would do that? NEVER

If I played at their speed and didn't have $20K to my name then I'd find another profession. I know there's not a ton of money in the sport but if everything they got don't add up to $20K then something's wrong. If they're playing simply for the love of the game and the money end is not the priority then their idiots. They are not very intelligent gamblers if they've put their life into something but they're not worth $20K. I know plenty of players that don't play at their speed but can throw $20k on the table at any time and play for it. Sounds like to me that they are great players and idiot money managers.

 

[NYC cue dude]

If this went off it would be nice if TAR would PPV it. It has been a long time since TAR has done an actual "Action" match instead of a paid exhibition with the winner getting a little more then the loser but both people still getting paid. It would be awesome to see a real action match where the winner gets all the cash and the loser gets to take a bus home.

I think Shaw will murder Dechaine in a match like this. Dechaine should have left well enough alone and not called Shaw out, now he is getting what he asked for and I don't think he is going to like it.

If I'm not mistaken, there are reasons that there are no longer "action" matches on TAR. I think it didn't fall within the parameters of the law. Hence the exhibitions. Perhaps if Justin cares to chime in........

 

[JumpinJoe]

If I played at their speed and didn't have $20K to my name then I'd find another profession. I know there's not a ton of money in the sport but if everything they got don't add up to $20K then something's wrong. If they're playing simply for the love of the game and the money end is not the priority then their idiots. They are not very intelligent gamblers if they've put their life into something but they're not worth $20K. I know plenty of players that don't play at their speed but can throw $20k on the table at any time and play for it. Sounds like to me that they are great players and idiot money managers.

That pretty much sums up the definition of a pro pool player.

 

[1pocket]

It probably is good. But for the guy to post as if Mike D. Brought all this up is fictional, that's all I'm saying. Mike D. Is no saint either.

Shaw is disrespectful to the game. When he practices, he slams the balls around always. When he's losing and he gets the balls out of the pockets for his opponents he always seems to toss them to the rack end,a little annoying.

Maybe he's getting this attitude a lot more then he previously had, maybe it has to do with his roommate. I heard he rooms with Earl, not sure of it, but what I was told.... But if so there's a big difference, he's not EARL, nor will he ever be.

Shaw "disrespectful of the game"??? I just sweated the whole weekend of the Ocean State Open and saw a lot of both Dechaine and Shaw. Actually, one thing that got my attention was how much Shaw practiced between matches -- including using set up drills, which seems to me kind of unusual for American pro players (Shaw is from Scotland). Yeah, he also took plenty of hard stroke shots when he practiced -- I saw some of that too, but certainly not "always". What I saw was a young man that obviously loves the game and loves to be at the table. I would definitely disagree with your disrespecting the game comment.

 

[Pathetic Shark]

I don't know shaw but I do know Mike, and he is a tool. Not nice, or respectful at all and whines when he loses. If they do play I hope shaw kicks his a$$.

Lol. WTF does Dechaine do to you guys?

 

[Pathetic Shark]

At least one is happening now....it is 22k and room for more.

First I've heard of it. You don't have a link, by any chance?

 

[Gunn_Slinger]

pool hustlin/people management is a lost art to players under 30-35. There are a number of reasons. Russ has a point. Players in 60'-70' could pump up a bankroll in bars and small pool rooms, not much of that action left. The ' daily nut' on the road is 10-20 times now than in the 70's. The money being bet today is about the same as what was bet in the 70's, but the cost of living is 20 fold today. Making a living at pool is only for the very, very few. Good luck to all who try.
ps
Joe B. The triangle kid ( Albert B ) says hi.
We were partners in the 70's

 

[CreeDo]

If I'm not mistaken, there are reasons that there are no longer "action" matches on TAR. I think it didn't fall within the parameters of the law. Hence the exhibitions. Perhaps if Justin cares to chime in........

I never saw or heard anything about that from the TAR crew.
I think they've always avoided all legal trouble by hosting, erm, 2-man invitational tournaments.
Where the entry fee might be 10 or 20k, and the winner takes all.

In fact I think the majority of states allow a wager between 2 players in a game of skill.
It's just the sidebetting, or betting on games of chance, where you run into problems.

In the past JCIN seemed to prefer players betting their own rather than a 'paid exhibition',
but over time he has switched gears.
I guess you could say TAR's now more like a traditional tournament
where they pay multiple places and there isn't a massive entry fee.

I think this is more to keep his business running rather than a change in personal philosophy.
Probably few worldbeaters want to bet 5 digits of their own against each other.
And if they do, they aren't gonna reload within a few weeks.
TAR wouldn't be able to hold matches very frequently.

So instead are offering the players a better risk/reward ratio.
This leads to more frequent matches, keeping them in business and making
us customers happier.

I'll watch Shaw and Dechaine play for whatever, I consider them about even
both in terms of skills and their match results.
Mike's beaten him in couple of tourneys, but Shaw beat Mike on TAR 2 out of 3 sets.

 

[Celtic]

If I'm not mistaken, there are reasons that there are no longer "action" matches on TAR. I think it didn't fall within the parameters of the law. Hence the exhibitions. Perhaps if Justin cares to chime in........

Perhaps you are right, I thought it was more simply the fact that they could not find enough matches where people were actually willing to put up the cash needed to make things happen.

 

[AtLarge]

If I played at their speed and didn't have $20K to my name then I'd find another profession. I know there's not a ton of money in the sport but if everything they got don't add up to $20K then something's wrong. If they're playing simply for the love of the game and the money end is not the priority then their idiots. They are not very intelligent gamblers if they've put their life into something but they're not worth $20K. I know plenty of players that don't play at their speed but can throw $20k on the table at any time and play for it. Sounds like to me that they are great players and idiot money managers.

They are only 25 and 26 years old. I imagine a great many of us had a net worth of less than $20,000 at that age.

The question is, does what they are doing offer prospects of something much better than that in the future?

 

[liakos]

Lol. WTF does Dechaine do to you guys?

Lmao!!! You obviously don't know him as far as the 20k, its not that difficult to find some people willing to put some cash up! If I was in the Jayson Shaw camp, he's got 3k from me this very second! So a few more,,, and boom, 20k! Not so difficult

 

[liakos]

Now dechaine,,, that's a totally different story I believe! I don't think there is one person out there that believes he can pull it off! (That's willing to put up some real $$$) just my humble opinion!

 

[rackemup20]

Lmao!!! You obviously don't know him as far as the 20k, its not that difficult to find some people willing to put some cash up! If I was in the Jayson Shaw camp, he's got 3k from me this very second! So a few more,,, and boom, 20k! Not so difficult

Another person full of crap everyone talks the talk but don't walk the walk!! Plus shaw don't need ur money he's got a stake horse that will put up 20k!! But y don't u play dechaine I'm sure he will put up some cash to play u

 

[NYC cue dude]

I never saw or heard anything about that from the TAR crew.
I think they've always avoided all legal trouble by hosting, erm, 2-man invitational tournaments.
Where the entry fee might be 10 or 20k, and the winner takes all.

In fact I think the majority of states allow a wager between 2 players in a game of skill.
It's just the sidebetting, or betting on games of chance, where you run into problems.

In the past JCIN seemed to prefer players betting their own rather than a 'paid exhibition',
but over time he has switched gears.
I guess you could say TAR's now more like a traditional tournament
where they pay multiple places and there isn't a massive entry fee.

I think this is more to keep his business running rather than a change in personal philosophy.
Probably few worldbeaters want to bet 5 digits of their own against each other.
And if they do, they aren't gonna reload within a few weeks.
TAR wouldn't be able to hold matches very frequently.

So instead are offering the players a better risk/reward ratio.
This leads to more frequent matches, keeping them in business and making
us customers happier.

I'll watch Shaw and Dechaine play for whatever, I consider them about even
both in terms of skills and their match results.
Mike's beaten him in couple of tourneys, but Shaw beat Mike on TAR 2 out of 3 sets.

I could be entirely wrong, and it's been awhile, but I seem to recall something to this effect. And this is precisely why I asked Justin to comment. This is his venue and the person most suitable to answer definitively. On a personal note, I've been curious to have this answered since hearing about the possibility of there being legality concerns. Always wondered if it there was anything to it. Perhaps we'll find out.