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shipping cues out of the country! customs and issues??
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Must be hard to sell cues these days. Specially high end cues.
So you falsify a customs document at the request of your customer. Unbeknownst to you, he is already on the Watch List for other deals that obviously you had no idea of.
Stands to good reason, right, but you had no way of knowing this. Your customer did tho.
Now you are potentially in trouble and on a Watch List for falsifying a Government Doc.
And what, this person thinks that you owe him something. Well, lesson learned on your behalf I suppose but my opinion, you don't owe him beyond what you agreed upon, if anything at all.
He wasn't totally straight up with you was he. Am I right. He wants you to refund in full and you lose the cue.
FK em would be my answer in the end but maybe not yours.
I have done similar on much lower end stuff. Only because Canada Customs also does stupid crap. By the time they are finished with you, I may as well not import supplies or anything.
For some reason, I though that with the Free Trade Agreement, sporting goods are exempt. If the item is used, I always specifically ask the seller to state that on the Customs Form. Doesn't always work that way and I have been on the hook for more than what it is worth.
Sure, I can appeal it. They make it worth your while not to do that. Long distance calls and paper work is usually more than it is worth also.
BTW. If you lose an expensive cue to Customs, I would be interested in where it goes.
So you falsify a customs document at the request of your customer. Unbeknownst to you, he is already on the Watch List for other deals that obviously you had no idea of.
Stands to good reason, right, but you had no way of knowing this. Your customer did tho.
Now you are potentially in trouble and on a Watch List for falsifying a Government Doc.
And what, this person thinks that you owe him something. Well, lesson learned on your behalf I suppose but my opinion, you don't owe him beyond what you agreed upon, if anything at all.
He wasn't totally straight up with you was he. Am I right. He wants you to refund in full and you lose the cue.
FK em would be my answer in the end but maybe not yours.
I have done similar on much lower end stuff. Only because Canada Customs also does stupid crap. By the time they are finished with you, I may as well not import supplies or anything.
For some reason, I though that with the Free Trade Agreement, sporting goods are exempt. If the item is used, I always specifically ask the seller to state that on the Customs Form. Doesn't always work that way and I have been on the hook for more than what it is worth.
Sure, I can appeal it. They make it worth your while not to do that. Long distance calls and paper work is usually more than it is worth also.
BTW. If you lose an expensive cue to Customs, I would be interested in where it goes.
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your policy is written and clear. so that sums it up.
but i believe that the best way is for the person shipping the merchandise to be responsible for its arrival unless he has written conformation to the otherwise.
best to insure and declare fully and only make legal shipments. otherwise you get what you sow.
but i believe that the best way is for the person shipping the merchandise to be responsible for its arrival unless he has written conformation to the otherwise.
best to insure and declare fully and only make legal shipments. otherwise you get what you sow.
It was the customers choice.
I have chose to do it and I would´t dream of letting my choice be a responsibility for the seller.
One time I had a cue gone for long, I "wrote" it off and then after 6 months or so I got it - felt like a gift
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Must have been on a boat trip....
Good luck and stand straight
Chrippa
I have chose to do it and I would´t dream of letting my choice be a responsibility for the seller.
One time I had a cue gone for long, I "wrote" it off and then after 6 months or so I got it - felt like a gift
.Must have been on a boat trip....
Good luck and stand straight
Chrippa
The only reason you would put a false value on the declaration is to assist people committing tax evasion. It's a shady way to do business and you deserve everything you get. A written policy that says "we'll help you commit fraud but if you get caught it's on you" is shameful.
You would have no problems here if you conducted such business ethically.
You would have no problems here if you conducted such business ethically.
Bill,
I ship items to foreign countries on a regular basis. I state up front that I will not falsify values on customs documents and that it is illegal to do so.
The buyer asked you to do something wrong but OTOH, you offered to do something wrong up-front.
You're both wrong. 50/50 settlement at best or 100% because your statement was essentially an offer to misstate the value.
I ship items to foreign countries on a regular basis. I state up front that I will not falsify values on customs documents and that it is illegal to do so.
The buyer asked you to do something wrong but OTOH, you offered to do something wrong up-front.
You're both wrong. 50/50 settlement at best or 100% because your statement was essentially an offer to misstate the value.
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No kidding. You are bad business Bill and this is the tip of the iceberg for the BS you have pulled. You knew exactly what you were doing. Shipping a cue of high value with ivory declaring a much lesser value in hopes it blows through without issue. I am SURE you have made many deals with this company in the past or ones like it and you were well aware what they were doing. The only reason you started a thread was to try and save face. Someone should have started a thread about you a long time ago. I certainly don't believe your ads and I don't trust anything you sell as "original". I have several examples and if you piss me off, I'll post it.
You deserve whatever you get.
I am just curious to the answer.. anyone know what taxes a South West going to Taiwan or China would incur if declared at the "Sold" value of lets say $ 4000.00?
But honestly everyone I have ever shipped to has asked this to be done, so lets all not throw stones. I have shipped to Europe, Asia, Australia all with the same request.
So if the customer is ALWAYS right, is he right when he asks that this be done?
BTW there are companies that ship INTO the US that do the same thing. Like mis-categorizing say a cue case as a hand bag or purse. I would be more concerned about incoming cheats that do cost the US money. Not so much outgoings that cost Taiwan or China money. :wink:
Just rooting for the home team...
JV
But honestly everyone I have ever shipped to has asked this to be done, so lets all not throw stones. I have shipped to Europe, Asia, Australia all with the same request.
So if the customer is ALWAYS right, is he right when he asks that this be done?
BTW there are companies that ship INTO the US that do the same thing. Like mis-categorizing say a cue case as a hand bag or purse. I would be more concerned about incoming cheats that do cost the US money. Not so much outgoings that cost Taiwan or China money. :wink:
Just rooting for the home team...
JV
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Bill bends over backwards to ensure his customers are happy......I've purchased cues from Bill and I will attest that his word is his bond.......and the bond will never default either.
I wish the Az community would start a petition with signatures that can be submitted to Congress for intelligent application of the ivory ban which would allow for legal ivory to be used and sold in artifacts since there is legal ivory here in the USA and the cues made in the USA that already contain ivory should be grandfathered........simple solution. Then a simplified application process for cue-makers to obtain CITES exemptions for cues they make that have legal ivory.........there's just way too much exaggeration about how "legal ivory" that's already here in the states for the past 50 years and longer is contributing to the needless slaughter of elephants.....so please don't piss on my shoes and try convincing me it's only raining.
Matt B.
I wish the Az community would start a petition with signatures that can be submitted to Congress for intelligent application of the ivory ban which would allow for legal ivory to be used and sold in artifacts since there is legal ivory here in the USA and the cues made in the USA that already contain ivory should be grandfathered........simple solution. Then a simplified application process for cue-makers to obtain CITES exemptions for cues they make that have legal ivory.........there's just way too much exaggeration about how "legal ivory" that's already here in the states for the past 50 years and longer is contributing to the needless slaughter of elephants.....so please don't piss on my shoes and try convincing me it's only raining.
Matt B.
Considering that both the State and Federal government's of the United States of America are currently working on ways to ban the sale of all ivory and items that currently contain ivory within the borders of the USA. I would say your idea would be far fetched.
Once a party dicks around with paperwork, it is their problem. I never lower the value when shipping.
If your country charges a tariff that you refuse to pay, have it shipped elsewhere or don't buy it.
EMS is the only way to get insurance and I won't be the one who gets screwed when a package is "lost"
If your country charges a tariff that you refuse to pay, have it shipped elsewhere or don't buy it.
EMS is the only way to get insurance and I won't be the one who gets screwed when a package is "lost"
I am just curious to the answer.. anyone know what taxes a South West going to Taiwan or China would incur if declared at the "Sold" value of lets say $ 4000.00?
But honestly everyone I have ever shipped to has asked this to be done, so lets all not throw stones. I have shipped to Europe, Asia, Australia all with the same request.
So if the customer is ALWAYS right, is he right when he asks that this be done?
BTW there are companies that ship INTO the US that do the same thing. Like mis-categorizing say a cue case as a hand bag or purse. I would be more concerned about incoming cheats that do cost the US money. Not so much outgoings that cost Taiwan or China money. :wink:
Just rooting for the home team...
JV
I don't know Taiwan or China, but Singapore is like 60%, it is steep in Asia.
I believe in Taiwan it is close to 50 percent. Luxury tax over there is brutal.
That's why there is a steady stream of Asian traffic that visits the outlet stores here in southern California. They arrive by bus loads from LA. Merchants rely almost solely on that traffic which happens 7 days a week. To be inside a store and witness this is jaw dropping. High price tag items are bought and taken back as luggage. For many, it is worth the airfare.
As somebody that likes cues and buys cues regularly - here is my 2 cents:
1. If you are a professional cue dealer, in the long run, there is only one possibility: Stick to the law!!! And that accounts for both sides, the seller in the US and the international buyer.
2. If you buy cues for your own pleasure (not to re-sell but for own usage): Take the risk yourself.
I have bought a number of cues from various professionals in the US. I picked them up, played with them during my journey and brought them back in my suitcase. In my opinion, as I plan to keep the cues, the tax issue could be taken as a risk (my risk) and I would personally discuss that with any tax officer, as it is a used cue then.
If I would ask a cue dealer to send me a cue - that's my own risk. It is my decision to state the appropriate value. And I have no right to ask any dealer to state a lower value.
Bottom line: If I would have a business, based on breaking the law - what's the difference to other criminals?
1. If you are a professional cue dealer, in the long run, there is only one possibility: Stick to the law!!! And that accounts for both sides, the seller in the US and the international buyer.
2. If you buy cues for your own pleasure (not to re-sell but for own usage): Take the risk yourself.
I have bought a number of cues from various professionals in the US. I picked them up, played with them during my journey and brought them back in my suitcase. In my opinion, as I plan to keep the cues, the tax issue could be taken as a risk (my risk) and I would personally discuss that with any tax officer, as it is a used cue then.
If I would ask a cue dealer to send me a cue - that's my own risk. It is my decision to state the appropriate value. And I have no right to ask any dealer to state a lower value.
Bottom line: If I would have a business, based on breaking the law - what's the difference to other criminals?
2strong4u
Banned
Everybody claims less value on cue. To avoid import tax and to import ivory cues. Officials know this. They also know who the bigger players are who sell cues.
Imagine how easily they could bust people. Advertise some amazing cues on ebay from an estate. List they contain ivory. Everybody contacts seller and makes a great deal for the item. They accept shipment. But it's a sting and now you are screwed.
That's how easy it would be. You should rethink your business practices.
Whatever. 400 bucks when it is worth 5 grand or something? Good one.
Maybe it has nothing to due with worth and more about what it SOLD for.... Haven't you ever heard of someone selling a car to a close freind for a $1 so he can save on taxes and registration fees? It's done a lot... Legally it should work the same with any item as long as it has a legit receipt accompanying the item.