Shoot outs SUCK!

[JC]

Pool is the only "sport" where you can be defeated without participating.

This is what makes it unique and this is what the spot shots detract from it's cruelty and beauty.

JMO

 

[sjm]

Pool is the only "sport" where you can be defeated without participating.

This is what makes it unique and this is what the spot shots detract from it's cruelty and beauty.

JMO

You always get to participate in the lag.

 

[9andout]

Shootouts are a fundamental proponent of the game of 9 and 10 ball. They aren't a new thing. I remember when King Tut used to have shootout's in his 10-ball tournaments.

Shootouts are pool distilled down to its purest form. They really shouldn't even have a rotational run of 9 or 10 balls, just have a shootout. And instead of a lag, just have a pre-shootout to see who goes first.

"Pre-shootout"

 

[buckshotshoey]

"Pre-shootout"

Good one! That's exactly what it is.

 

[jay helfert]

You always get to participate in the lag.

Or the coin flip!

 

[vinay]

People love to say that pool is inherently flawed and that is why we don't have televised pool where as the real reason we stopped having televised pool was the idiotic banning of any cigarette advertising. That's why the fledgling camel pro billiards tour was canceled and pool went off the air. We need to get away from this nanny state horse crap and get back to letting people be responsible for their own decisions.

Jaden

Yet somehow that didn't affect every other sport.

 

[Jaden]

Yet somehow that didn't affect every other sport.

Every other sports' primary sponsor at the time wasn't cigarettes...duh....

Jaden

 

[mikepage]

[...]
No doubt, CSI and Predator would like to draw in non-pool-players as viewers, and we'd all like to see them succeed.
[...]

When the issue is what play to call in a particular 4th down situation, it's unreasonable to respond with 'long pass on 3rd down.'

That's what some do when they suggest a traditional race match format and ALSO a pro tournament series with $25K added events.

Here is something we can say with confidence about 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, 2015, 2014 --and this goes on for several decades: Despite creating a pro tour with traditional match format being obvious and up for grabs with no competition, nobody did it--not Predator; not CSI; not Kamui; not Simonis; not APA; not Cuetec; not Matchroom; not BCA; not accustats, not some expanding regional organization, not FargoRate, not anybody. So when somebody belly's up to the table and does something in the first time in whenever, it is unreasonable to say they should be doing the thing they--and everybody else--clearly have no inclination to do.

Stand around for a bit and listen to these league players popping over.
"I heard someone say he's a Russian champion."
"Really! What's his name?"
At this point if it 3-1 in a race to 7, they watch a few shots and move on. But if winning this game means the other guy MUST win a race to 4 to stay alive, they stick around and maybe learn the opponent's name is Mario He, and he is from Austria.

This is what progress looks like. Forget this "general public" nonsense. Forget attracting the interest of that person who has "heard of the Black Widow." Our crisis is we--diehards who read AZ Billiards and know the players--are too small a group. The low-lying fruit is the many players who have strung a couple 8-Ball racks together, who gamble locally playing 9-Ball and play two-way shots, and yet who would not recognize Oscar Dominguez and have never heard of Josh Roberts or Jeremy Sossei. The next time these people see Ruslan, they will remember him and have a little extra interest. If we can take THESE people and nudge their interest, the next crowd of players one step below these people nudge up to where these guys used to be.

The first of these events, in Arizona, had I think 48 players with 11 from the world top 100 and 8 from US top 60. This one, last week in Ohio, had 60 players with 17 from world top 100 and 10 from US top 60.

 

[sjm]

When the issue is what play to call in a particular 4th down situation, it's unreasonable to respond with 'long pass on 3rd down.'

That's what some do when they suggest a traditional race match format and ALSO a pro tournament series with $25K added events.

Here is something we can say with confidence about 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, 2015, 2014 --and this goes on for several decades: Despite creating a pro tour with traditional match format being obvious and up for grabs with no competition, nobody did it--not Predator; not CSI; not Kamui; not Simonis; not APA; not Cuetec; not Matchroom; not BCA; not accustats, not some expanding regional organization, not FargoRate, not anybody. So when somebody belly's up to the table and does something in the first time in whenever, it is unreasonable to say they should be doing the thing they--and everybody else--clearly have no inclination to do.

Stand around for a bit and listen to these league players popping over.
"I heard someone say he's a Russian champion."
"Really! What's his name?"
At this point if it 3-1 in a race to 7, they watch a few shots and move on. But if winning this game means the other guy MUST win a race to 4 to stay alive, they stick around and maybe learn the opponent's name is Mario He, and he is from Austria.

This is what progress looks like. Forget this "general public" nonsense. Forget attracting the interest of that person who has "heard of the Black Widow." Our crisis is we--diehards who read AZ Billiards and know the players--are too small a group. The low-lying fruit is the many players who have strung a couple 8-Ball racks together, who gamble locally playing 9-Ball and play two-way shots, and yet who would not recognize Oscar Dominguez and have never heard of Josh Roberts or Jeremy Sossei. The next time these people see Ruslan, they will remember him and have a little extra interest. If we can take THESE people and nudge their interest, the next crowd of players one step below these people nudge up to where these guys used to be.

The first of these events, in Arizona, had I think 48 players with 11 from the world top 100 and 8 from US top 60. This one, last week in Ohio, had 60 players with 17 from world top 100 and 10 from US top 60.



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Well said, Mike.

PS Matchroom did create the Matchroom Pool Series this year, that is, for practical purposes, an emerging new tour.

 

[Woodshaft]

As I said in a different thread, make the tie-breakers a race to two, alternate-break race, lagging for first break. That way the winner can say he actually won playing ten-ball. Not rocket science stuff here.

 

[9andout]

Every other sports' primary sponsor at the time wasn't cigarettes...duh....

Jaden

Your "Nanny State" comment is a little too simplistic, to put it mildly. You should realize that. "Duh".

 

[JMS]

Shootouts suck. It doesn’t matter if it’s between amateurs or pros. A race to 4 for pros? Whoever thought of this format should go back to the drawing board. I don’t even watch the live streams since the format is horrible for pool. What kind of “PRO TOUR“ is this? Straight garbage.

 

[hang-the-9]

Spot shots:

Remember when it was a fun action game to bet on and to trade spot shots for cash?

Some were monsters at it! Others total dogs.

So we may as well just have setup shot tournaments. Give the players 10 shots to make each round instead of playing the games.

 

[garczar]

So we may as well just have setup shot tournaments. Give the players 10 shots to make each round instead of playing the games.

'The Predator/CSI/Fargo World Horse Championship'.

 

[Dan_B]

So we may as well just have setup shot tournaments. Give the players 10 shots to make each round instead of playing the games.

...man, u'all having to much fun teasing me,
9 table setting scenario's under the clock is getting close,
with a bonus 10th if you're perfect in the 9th,
a luck warm thought though, not?