Short stops

freddy the beard said:
Shorty,
Where did you get that photo of Fatty and Ali? That was where Ali conceded that Fats was "The Greatest." Is there any way I could get a copy, or have one emailed to me?
the Beard
Bank on, brother!
Old school pool.
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Anything for you Freddy,

http://www.egyptianaaa.org/Pix-SI-Fats&Ali.jpg

I just googled for "minnesota fats" under images...bout third page over.

Shorty
 
Jack Kompan

Shorty said:
I have a Jack Kompan cue that has a Bubinga handle and butt as well. It is also 60" long.

Pictures can be found here:
http://www.azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showpost.php?p=231158&postcount=1

I traded it off him and really enjoy the cue. I am having two new layered tips put on it by my friend in Wisconsin as we speak.

Shorty
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I kinda thought it was Jacks cues. I use his break cue myself.
Jack has over the last three years been to all our Tour events and is just a super guy. The man takes true pride in his work and his word. Thanks
 
ironman said:
I kinda thought it was Jacks cues. I use his break cue myself.
Jack has over the last three years been to all our Tour events and is just a super guy. The man takes true pride in his work and his word. Thanks
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I love Jack's work...best wrapless cue made in my opinion. Super solid and stiff hitting. Very comparable to a SW. MUCH more affordable though...love to hit one of his break cues and may get me a sneaky of his eventually.

Shorty
 
I have always thought that a shortstop is a top regional player, a threat to win but more likely to just place in the top 8 of 1000 dollar added tournaments.

Under that definition, Tommy Kennedy and Santos Sambajon are not shortstops, they are pro players.

Glenn Atwell is a tremendous shortstop and on the bar tables I would put him in the pro level category, especially playing eight ball. After all, he did snap off the US Bar Table Championship a few years back.
 
rackmsuckr said:
We don't use the term short stop around here. I learned about it in other threads, along with the definition. Paul Potier, Santos and Glenn Atwell were all named short stops.

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Maybe Glenn is a short stop, but Santos is well above short stop level. If you can win a major professional tournament (which Santos has), and always be a threat to finish in the top 8 (which Santos has since the 90's), you're no shortstop.

In any event, Glenn might be above short stop. I wouldn't be consider Potier a short stop either.

Fred
 
Nostroke said:
Anyway back to shortstop-Around here (NY) i think most would consider the guy who plays good but not quite good enough to beat a good road player, a shortstop.
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I think this is correct. For example, the best player in my hometown has run over 100 balls in straight pool a number of occassions. He used to have the biggest break, and was the best shot maker. He was an A to A- player. Could he beat a true road player? No. But that's not an insult to him. It's just a fact of how good a road player can be.

Fred
 
OK then, based on the new definition of short stop, we probably have over a dozen and that answers my question. Lots of those around.
 
defining shortstop seems to be the problem

Linda,

My definition of shortstop is somebody that can beat pretty much anyone in the world on a given day. By that definition I think that your husband is correct. Although the percentage of quality players is certainly higher other places, the handful of best players I have ever seen in my life, live or on TV, were absolute no-names in bars. Perhaps the best pool player I have ever seen didn't even consider himself a pool player! How many totally unknown players are out there? They aren't shortstops by your definition but if a gambling player encounters one they will feel like they were hit by a buzz saw.

Hu
 
Santos is NOT a shortstop.

At least here in NYC you have quite a few shortstops. But the A+ players arnt quite shortstops either... almost.
 
uwate said:
Under that definition, Tommy Kennedy and Santos Sambajon are not shortstops, they are pro players.
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Although I 100% agree that Santos IS NOT a shortstop but a player but I cant say the same for TK. Yes he won the US Open and that brought him a large amount of respect he earned, but what has won lately? His own tour stops full of dead money with the exception of a couple of "shortstops"? I aint knockin the guy, he has a great thing going but can you really put him in PLAYER status?
 
LastTwo said:
There are thousands of shortstops all over the USA. You don't have to snap off regional tournaments to be a shortstop. If you know USPPA ratings, shortstops are generally between 130-150 speeds. Linda your estimates are way off. Generally for every poolhall, there is at least one shortstop, and in some poolhalls there are 3, 4, 5, or more. A good estimate would be to count all of the poolhalls in the United States, and make your estimation of shortstops roughly the same as the amount of poolhalls.
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Hi Last two,

I'm not to familiar with the USPPA ratings system. Can you let me know were I can find out more about it???

Pete
 
Voodoo Daddy said:
Although I 100% agree that Santos IS NOT a shortstop but a player but I cant say the same for TK. Yes he won the US Open and that brought him a large amount of respect he earned, but what has won lately? His own tour stops full of dead money with the exception of a couple of "shortstops"? I aint knockin the guy, he has a great thing going but can you really put him in PLAYER status?
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TK is not a short stop either. He may not be top 10 pro, but he is a solid pro none the less. Take a look at the larger pro events he plays in and you will see him cashing pretty high in some of them.
 
Gerry said:
Where I come from, (Pennsylvania) a shortstop is the strongest player in a given room/area. They play about a ball or two or three below the average pro. If you ask the local pros, they know who the short stops are, you might not. Maybe it's different in the North East, but I know of probably a dozen from my area, and that might be cutting it short. These guys will string racks (4+) run 100's, and move like a ghost playing 1-pocket. They are the ones that end up defending the local room from road agents when they roll into town. I hav'nt played any down here in Florida YET, but I'm sure I'll butt heads eventually. I'm still learning the ropes here.........Gerry
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That is a great definition and hits pretty much exactly to the point I see them. And by that definition of stringing racks (4+) and 100 ball runs it takes a pretty damn good player to get to the "shortstop" level of play.
 
cueman said:
TK is not a short stop either. He may not be top 10 pro, but he is a solid pro none the less. Take a look at the larger pro events he plays in and you will see him cashing pretty high in some of them.
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Cueman...I'm not startin' a flamewar, believe me. I know Tommy for decades, we ran the same streets and played in the same bars as kids. Yes he does cash...in his own event either 1st or 2nd...as many times as he holds them!! He once was a lethal force on the Florida Tour leading up to his US Open victory but you dont see his name in most standings unless its his own tour...just my opinion.
 
In New york we define a shortstop as a strong open player.

This is a high caliber player, not allowed to play in A-D rated events. (so obviously better than an A+)

Shortstop is a term that fills the gap between A+ and pro players.

An average pro (not world class elite like thorsten, Busta or Archer) would be a Santos, putnam, Schmidt, Charlie williams etc (granted, an average pro can defeat anyone in the world at any given time, but "elite" pro's often finish higher in tournaments) and they would give the shortstop weight.

So, average pro's, straight up, would steal from "open" or "shortstop" players. The longer the races, the less chance they have.

Most shortstops would need the 7 to play with the average pro, imho.

RG

PS; the term shortstop is "kinda" derogatory though, meant to say your not good enough to be a pro. It's best to call someone an open player
 
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