Short stops
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Perhaps it would be good for the more knowledgable player (not me for sure I'm a begginner), to define what a short stop (and for that, what all levels D-World Beater) is able to do on they're average day (not their top game their middle game). How many racks they will string together, what will stop their runs, and how many balls they can run.
Stuff like that.
Pete
Stuff like that.
Pete
I don't hear the term shortstop very often here in Jacksonville, FL, but I have heard it. The way it was explained to me: A player who has the talent, but just isn't good enough yet.
These type of people are everywhere.
I have been in the pool rooms for about 3 years now, and i learn more everyday. I am lucky to have mentors (for lack of better word) who have taught me the ropes, told me all the good hustles, told me all the good stories from the "old days"...I know that I don't know it all but I feel like I have a good knowledgable grasp on the pool world...
These type of people are everywhere.
I have been in the pool rooms for about 3 years now, and i learn more everyday. I am lucky to have mentors (for lack of better word) who have taught me the ropes, told me all the good hustles, told me all the good stories from the "old days"...I know that I don't know it all but I feel like I have a good knowledgable grasp on the pool world...
This quote seems to me a pretty good definition of a "shortstop". I have always understood the term to mean a really good local player who is capable, at times, of beating solid pros. For example, a solid or good pro might give a shortstop 9 to 7 or 10 to 7 playing one-pocket. My 0.02.
kollegedave
kollegedave
LastTwo said:
rackmsuckr said:
Urban legend. We've been hearing it ever since Efren got here. Plenty of American players, as well as players from other countries, have gone to the Philippines to play and I've never heard any of them come back with a first-hand account of some mystical group of players that play better than Efren.
I think they were talking Chess, not pool.Jimmy M. said:
Ronnie Alcano and Acaba have beat Efren straight-up on 9-ball though.
Rotation or one-pocket? I say not.
For the past 40 years, my impression of a shortstop has been that of a local that gets called to match up with road players/champions. In Orlando, we have 3 or 4 who I would put as shortstops, who can front the $ and compete without asking for the world. Just roughly, I would say you're not a shortstop if you can't match up financially, and if you need more than the 7 (9-ball) or 10-7 (1-pocket) from top players. There are a lot of good local players who can't fade the heat - I don't consider them true shortstops. The term shortstop has never been a derrogatory term, IMO; in fact, it's kind of a badge of honor (Louis V. in Orlando would work 10-12 hours, get off work and play ANYBODY for ANYTHING, as long as it took - he's the epitome of a shortstop). Also, I've never heard of tournement success (or lack of) as a criteria for shortstopism - it has always been about the $. Santos gave one of the toughest shortstops in Florida the rotating 6/7 a few years ago and it was a tough match - believe me, he ain't no shortstop, nor is Tommy K, tho his game isn't what it once was. I would guestimate worldwide shortstops in the thousands, myself, because there are a ton of them in the R of P and Mexico (try to win down there sometime), and every road player I talk to tells me about some 15-year old kid or a farmer that robbed 'em, so there are a lot of sleepers out there. Without the shortstops, it would be a pretty boring (pool) world.
OldHasBeen
Tom Ferry
IMO - To be a shortstop.............
To be a shortstop - All you have to do is be on the road with a better player. That is what a shortstop does. He plays until he runs into a player he can't handle. I have been on both ends of this. I was on the road with Buddy & I was on the road with California Bob. Guess which time I was the shortstop and which time I was the player.
TY & GL
jnav447 said:
To be a shortstop - All you have to do is be on the road with a better player. That is what a shortstop does. He plays until he runs into a player he can't handle. I have been on both ends of this. I was on the road with Buddy & I was on the road with California Bob. Guess which time I was the shortstop and which time I was the player.
TY & GL
I spoke with our long time pool hall man, Larry Gayle. He's been around since dinosaurs!!
His definition was somewhat different than I got the impression of. He says:
The definition of a shortstop varies from person to peron. To Efren, a shortstop would be someone like Robb Saez, or Tony Crosby. To Tony or Robb, a shortstop would be someone like Butch Croft, or David Grossman. To Butch or David a shortstop would be someone like Larry Gayle, or Iron Mike. To Larry a shortstop would be someone like me, or my boyfriend. In other words, a shortstop is someone who plays not quite good enough to beat a particular person (Robb to Efren, David to Robb, me to Larry).
I think this is the best definition because if you think about it everyone's usage would vary. Best described as a person (any person) who shoots not far under another person (any other person).
His definition was somewhat different than I got the impression of. He says:
The definition of a shortstop varies from person to peron. To Efren, a shortstop would be someone like Robb Saez, or Tony Crosby. To Tony or Robb, a shortstop would be someone like Butch Croft, or David Grossman. To Butch or David a shortstop would be someone like Larry Gayle, or Iron Mike. To Larry a shortstop would be someone like me, or my boyfriend. In other words, a shortstop is someone who plays not quite good enough to beat a particular person (Robb to Efren, David to Robb, me to Larry).
I think this is the best definition because if you think about it everyone's usage would vary. Best described as a person (any person) who shoots not far under another person (any other person).
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CHIEF1 said:
Jax has a ton of them. Harleys, Bankshots, Park Ave, Solids and Stripes, Six Pockets, Riggsys, Rack' em Up & Hookah, Dekes, 1st Coast, Corner Pockets, and UBC...
They called Larry...Johnny!!! You should come back through here. All the guys you knew are probably ALL still around. Harley is still around (fun guy), Larry...I can't think off the top of my head, but I am sure you know a good handful of the guys!
shortstop = a player that goes on the road and gets busted after a short trip and has to go home. Short trip, Stop go home.
shortstop = a player that can make some money playing pool, but cannot make enough to live as a road player. He makes short trips gets the cash and comes home.
shortstop = a player almost good enough to play pro, but not there yet.
I have heard all, you take you pick as to which is right, or add one you think is better. The older players I was around used the first defination. Like a lot of words it has changed meaning a lot.
shortstop = a player that can make some money playing pool, but cannot make enough to live as a road player. He makes short trips gets the cash and comes home.
shortstop = a player almost good enough to play pro, but not there yet.
I have heard all, you take you pick as to which is right, or add one you think is better. The older players I was around used the first defination. Like a lot of words it has changed meaning a lot.