Absolutely not
Should pros be allowed to sell products on the main forum?
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that look surprising similar to Luther Lassiter, Willie Mosconi & Ralph Greenleaf
With three little kids playing on a miniature table that look surprising similar to Luther Lassiter, Willie Mosconi & Ralph Greenleaf.
LMAO.. I could only imagine the "secret lab"... white lab jackets, protractors, calculators, high tech computers, microscopes, magnifying glasses, photos from the "secret instructors from the Eastern European underground, and every article that was ever posted by Stan, you and others stacked to the ceiling.
The funny thing is, the only thing they did not have in the "lab" was a pool cue, balls, or a table
With three little kids playing on a miniature table that look surprising similar to Luther Lassiter, Willie Mosconi & Ralph Greenleaf.
problem with toi
C.J.
First of all don't try to sell me anything. I'm on to you. I practiced with toi
for a couble of hours and noticed if I babied the shot or really smooth
stroked it I would miss. I would shoot it again and pop it and that seemed
to work. Is that right. I also thought the balance point of my cue might
be off by a quarter of inch and was thinking of sawing off a little bit but did not know for sure if this would change my pindeldumb or what would happen to the goose ball.
thanks jack
C.J.
First of all don't try to sell me anything. I'm on to you. I practiced with toi
for a couble of hours and noticed if I babied the shot or really smooth
stroked it I would miss. I would shoot it again and pop it and that seemed
to work. Is that right. I also thought the balance point of my cue might
be off by a quarter of inch and was thinking of sawing off a little bit but did not know for sure if this would change my pindeldumb or what would happen to the goose ball.
thanks jack
How about if you, neal, duckie and pj start your own section? What would we call it?.....hmmm, anyone have any ideas?
You guys could make videos on how you ghost ball aim, how you pendulum stroke, and how you calculate your spin ratios to induce position margins. That would be more exciting than.....hmmm, well, it would be "interesting" no doubt.
I just cannot imagine why you would not want your very own forum. You've basically turned the Main Forum and the Aiming Forum into your own domain already anyway.
Just think: All CJ, all the time.
You and yours would be in pig heaven, no?
Lou Figueroa
Yes. Doesn't mean we can't talk about it and run it through the old AZ Meat Grinder though
Lou Figueroa
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Let's all be HONEST for a second. The subforums get about zero traffic. The main forum is where the action is.
Only a few of the subforums get any decent traffic and they are populated with a small group of diehards.
I find it to inconsistent how one of the running themes of this board is how much "we" fans should support the pros and try hard to help them earn a better living. You can look it up and find many that have proposed hundreds of ideas to make pool bigger and provide a great pro tour.
But when a pro gets proactive and comes here to try and supplement their income with dvds, videos and lessons some people want to put them in their place and relegate them to the nether regions of the forum.
We all know that most people don't go past the main forum very often if at all. If they do then it is because they are seeking information which is much different than if they are presented with information. What pro would want to stay if they are shunted off to a side room where the audience is tiny?
Where does this possessiveness of the main forum come from anyway? So let me get this straight, an amateur with nothing to sell and presumably "pure" can start dozens of threads about whatever topic they want and go on and on and on and on for days and weeks and months and this is ok but if a pro wants to present their method and (gasp) sell a dvd then they should be banished to the appropriate slot?
Doesn't anyone see something inherently wrong with that situation?
Only a few of the subforums get any decent traffic and they are populated with a small group of diehards.
I find it to inconsistent how one of the running themes of this board is how much "we" fans should support the pros and try hard to help them earn a better living. You can look it up and find many that have proposed hundreds of ideas to make pool bigger and provide a great pro tour.
But when a pro gets proactive and comes here to try and supplement their income with dvds, videos and lessons some people want to put them in their place and relegate them to the nether regions of the forum.
We all know that most people don't go past the main forum very often if at all. If they do then it is because they are seeking information which is much different than if they are presented with information. What pro would want to stay if they are shunted off to a side room where the audience is tiny?
Where does this possessiveness of the main forum come from anyway? So let me get this straight, an amateur with nothing to sell and presumably "pure" can start dozens of threads about whatever topic they want and go on and on and on and on for days and weeks and months and this is ok but if a pro wants to present their method and (gasp) sell a dvd then they should be banished to the appropriate slot?
Doesn't anyone see something inherently wrong with that situation?
Yes. Doesn't mean we can't talk about it and run it through the old AZ Meat Grinder though
Lou Figueroa
yea right......it wouldn't be right unless the tribesmen turn on the pros.
Mr. 400 was they best pro this forum had. Doubt John had any snake oil
up for sale..
up for sale..
Time to pack my bags and all my "for sale items" and head back to my garage.
I guess my gig is up. Time to pack my bags and all my "for sale items" and head back to my garage. And I thought I was going to be able to sell all these chalk holders and tip tappers. Now what am I supposed to do with all this inventory?
I guess my gig is up. Time to pack my bags and all my "for sale items" and head back to my garage. And I thought I was going to be able to sell all these chalk holders and tip tappers. Now what am I supposed to do with all this inventory?
Exactly. What he does have is his dvds and Fury cue line. So while he does not overtly push those items he was able to keep exposure and interest when he participated.
I am sure it was good for ob cues when John was here as well. All sponsors want their players out mingling as much as possible.
www.jbcases.com
I am sure it was good for ob cues when John was here as well. All sponsors want their players out mingling as much as possible.
www.jbcases.com
In a word, yes. And the reason is that it is unfair to their competitors who don't skirt the rules.
Take you for example, John. You contribute here quite actively. But when you happen to have the occasional case left over from a batch or something that you want to sell, you post it in the for sale area. Why do you do that? Why don't you pitch them in the main forum? And would you think it was fair if your major competitors started posting cases for sale in the main forum?
So to be fair then it has to be OK for everyone, not just certain members offering instruction. All case and cue makers, cue dealers, table mechanics, traveling instructors, vendors of ball sets / cloth / tables / tips / chalk / racks...yada yada should all be allowed to do it. Why should only certain members have this privilege? And if everyone did it would you still argue it would not be a problem?
Also, I don't think as many people are glued to the main forum as you think. I can't remember the last time I clicked on the main forum if I wasn't starting a thread that belonged there. Personally, I go to my subscribed threads first and then I hit the new button. Once I've gone through those I'm usually done unless I want to check something specific, like what's for sale or more usually to bring myself up to speed in the straight pool forum.
As I typed this I just checked and there are about 200 people in the main forum while there are 150 in the for sale forum. So it is not exactly a wasteland for someone selling something. And the audience there are people that are actually looking to buy something.
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I don't think anyone should be allowed to post advertisements. If they are engaging in conversation and interacting with the rest of the forum participants, it's not really an advertisement or an issue in my opinion. If CJ came on here and posted about his new DVD and just left it at that without interacting with anyone or sharing his information or knowledge, I would have a problem with that.
When someone who has a product for sale comes on here and posts, inevitably someone somewhere is going to perceive what they say as some sort of advertisement or pitch for their product, even if what they say has nothing to do with what they sell or endorse. No one has jumped all over Joe Tucker when he gives an opinion about racking the balls for pitching his Racking Secrets DVD. He's simply sharing his knowledge and information, and if that makes you want to go buy his DVD great. CJ does nearly the same thing and people jump all over him.
I think having professional players posting on here is a great thing. All you nits sitting here nitpicking everything they say is what drives them away or makes them not want to post here in the first place. You all need to chill out. What other sport can you interact with professional players like this on a regular basis? Quit being so crabby and enjoy the fact that you have a chance to interact with a champion.
When someone who has a product for sale comes on here and posts, inevitably someone somewhere is going to perceive what they say as some sort of advertisement or pitch for their product, even if what they say has nothing to do with what they sell or endorse. No one has jumped all over Joe Tucker when he gives an opinion about racking the balls for pitching his Racking Secrets DVD. He's simply sharing his knowledge and information, and if that makes you want to go buy his DVD great. CJ does nearly the same thing and people jump all over him.
I think having professional players posting on here is a great thing. All you nits sitting here nitpicking everything they say is what drives them away or makes them not want to post here in the first place. You all need to chill out. What other sport can you interact with professional players like this on a regular basis? Quit being so crabby and enjoy the fact that you have a chance to interact with a champion.
Are you sure???
This is the day we pro pool players had to get permission from "lou, pjslasher, neal, and duckie" the guidelines for pros to be on main forum.
This is the day we pro pool players had to get permission from "lou, pjslasher, neal, and duckie" the guidelines for pros to be on main forum.
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NO
If there are 150 people in the For Sale forum, probably 145 of them are checking out cues, either as collectors or trying to flip them. And probably a good percentage of those 145 have cues for sale currently, and they are checking on their threads...
Well, anyone that wants instructional material won't find it in the for sale forum, they will probably find it in the main forum because that's where they get pitched. And if you are looking for instructional materials look how much junk you have to go through in the main forum to find it.
Look, we could go around and around on this. Frankly, I don't care that much since I'm not competing here to make sales. I was just pointing out that it is inherently unfair to those competitors who do play by the rules and if I was one of those then yes, I would probably be pretty irritated. And as a simple contributing member it doesn't affect me that much in the sense that I don't click on the main forum and have to work my way through all the sales pitches. Really, I have to wade through all new activity (for sale, mechanics, room owners...) anyway because I use the "new" button primarily. So they will show up on my radar whatever forum area they are posted in and therefore doesn't cause a nuisance to me personally because of where it's posted. And I'm not singling out any one person, just addressing the bigger issue presented by this thread.
The bottom line is this is not my website, I'm just a member here who has been granted that privilege. So if it's OK with the administrators then it doesn't really matter what I think. I'm always free to leave if it bothers me that much.
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