Should women be allowed to compete in US Open 9 Ball Championship?

Should women be allowed to compete in US Open 9 Ball?

  • Yes, Open means open. Anyone should be able to play.

    Votes: 253 74.9%

  • No, US Open 9 Ball should be men only.

    Votes: 82 24.3%

  • What is US Open 9 Ball?

    Votes: 3 0.9%
  • Total voters
    338
  • Poll closed .
Legally, I don't think the US Open would have an easy time keeping it for men only. I don't think it's ever been challenged and it would likely be an expensive battle, all so that they would have the right to compete against an amazingly talented field.

However, if a woman were to emerge as arguably one of the best players on the planet male OR female, I would like to see her given the opportunity to prove it. The US Open is regarded as one of the strongest (if not, THE strongest) pool event of the year. There simply is no better platform to prove yourself and no pool player should be denied this right.

Arguing that the Women's US Open does not allow men is not justification to also discriminate. They are protecting their field and for good reason - they're selling a product that has demand. C'mon, we all wanna know who the best female player is and that's the truth! When it comes time to the US Open, gender has nothing to do with it anymore. We just wanna know who is the best.
 
Just a side note.

Having woman play in the US open could have a big effect on mens BCA points standing and possibly the mosconi cup.

This is a points event and many of the woman play, they could be considered a relativly easy draw for most of the top men.
That being said, if there are 2 closly ranked players and in the same rounds, one guy has to play a top male player, and the other has to play a female player, i think i t could be said the guy playing the female pro would have a big advantage in the points chase
 
travisw said:
Just a side note.

Having woman play in the US open could have a big effect on mens BCA points standing and possibly the mosconi cup.

This is a points event and many of the woman play, they could be considered a relativly easy draw for most of the top men.
That being said, if there are 2 closly ranked players and in the same rounds, one guy has to play a top male player, and the other has to play a female player, i think i t could be said the guy playing the female pro would have a big advantage in the points chase
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Well, that argument can be made about ANY player, not just women. If I play in next year's event and draw Earl Strickland in the first round, you think that's any less favorable than if he drew Karen Corr? I mean, I'd like to think so but that'd be a pipe dream.
 
PoolBum said:
I would love to see Jasmin Ouschan, Ga Young Kim, Allison Fisher, Karen Corr, Xiaoting Pan, Jeanette Lee, and Sunnyday out there competing with the best men players!
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Thanks PoolBum for the 'honorary' mention, but I will be one of those many just increasing the prize fund - and there's nothing wrong with bigger prize fund, don't you think:wink:?

However, anyone else you mentioned above are great contenders who will make statements and even have a chance to take the title. I've seen more upsets in pool to count anything out:cool:

S.
 
travisw said:
Just a side note.

Having woman play in the US open could have a big effect on mens BCA points standing and possibly the mosconi cup.

This is a points event and many of the woman play, they could be considered a relativly easy draw for most of the top men.
That being said, if there are 2 closly ranked players and in the same rounds, one guy has to play a top male player, and the other has to play a female player, i think i t could be said the guy playing the female pro would have a big advantage in the points chase
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This does not matter one bit. The US Open as it currently stands is a tournament that allows players of all skill levels and not all genders. So it's fair to say that any decent player could play over their head and either put a top player out of the event OR they could also be an easy draw for any top player.

Although the US Open carries points however they are calculated it is by no means a tournament that is only open to those in contention for Mosconi cue spots or BCA rankings.

It could also be that the male player who has to play a female that is playing well enough to go deep in the event has more pressure on him because he is playing against a stereotype as well as a human being. He may feel pressure that he is expected to win and therefore either be overconfident or start to dog it.
 
cleary said:
Based on the luck of the draw, I really feel Jasmin Ouschan could have a chance. In races to 11, she could hang with the big boys. I think her odds would be the same as mid level pro. And if she doesn't win, she would surely cash. A lot of people play in the open and have no chance of winning, but they can still cash.
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i agree with you, but fact is a "mid level pro's" odds of winning the open are almost zero. name some "mid levels" that have won it; maybe i'm wrong, but there aren't really too many, if any.
 
enzo said:
i agree with you, but fact is a "mid level pro's" odds of winning the open are almost zero. name some "mid levels" that have won it; maybe i'm wrong, but there aren't really too many, if any.
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What other major has Tommy Kennedy won beside the US Open?
 
maybe so, but they can never win if they never compete.....i think if the women played with the men more it would jump their games up, didn't jasmin get 3rd at the world 14.1....thats a harder game than commie 9 ball
 
I suppose to answer this question correctly I'd have to be up on all the dirty politics involved with this sport, but ... since I don't follow any of that BS I'll a have to resort to common sense.

Ummm, I didn't know they couldn't play. It says open, so yeah. Who the F@#K is denying them? The friggin Talaban?

I'd say if the men want a men's only tourney then call it the Men's US Open or create a MPBA if they haven't already, and hold a MPBA event.

Like I said I don't follow this stuff anyway, 9 ball bores me.

It's a redundant, shallow, paint by number game that lacks the creativity these great pros are capable of.

Oops, did I start going off on a rant there ... sorry . :)
 
This is the only time I have voted against having female players in with the men. If there wasn't a women's US Open I would be all for it.
 
sunnyday said:
This year, I heard a female player unaware of such rule, tried to play the US Open 9 Ball without prevail. It was inconceivable to her that she could not just walk up with an entry fee and play because she was a woman.

S.
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I know her.I wrote to her saying that she should have sent the entry fee without mentioning her first name and using only the first initial of the first name then the last name.example: For sunnyday Griffin it will be S.Griffin.she will appear in the arena and come to the table when her name is called for her first match.Then let us see what happens.:grin::cool::grin:
 
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gunzby said:
This is the only time I have voted against having female players in with the men. If there wasn't a women's US Open I would be all for it.
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So are you against men in wheelchairs being allowed to play in the US Open when they have tournaments that are restricted to people in wheelchairs?
 
Corvette, I like most of your dialog but have to disagree with the statement that there are 50 men players that could give the seven ball and win against the TOP women players.
 
Why not? I say let them play. If I can pay to play and I'm a nobody - why not Allison Fisher or whoever? Makes no sense to say no.

I don't think it's a good argument to say "they have their own US Open" and men can't play in that. If a woman wants to play with the best guys on earth--- why not?

P.S. I don't think Vette is TOO far out of line with the 50 guys/7-ball spot comment. There's likely 50 guys in the Philippines we don't even know about who can spot the 7 to the top women. It's not a knock on women players at all and it's not an insult. It is what it is.
 
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As several have pointed out, there's a need for women to have women-only events. The top male players are inarguably better players than the top women players; if men were allowed in their tournaments, men would take over their tournaments.

No such need exists in men's open tournaments. Women entering the tournament would not fundamentally change it in any way I can think of, except perhaps by making it more marketable, which is only a good thing. To cling to the "they won't let us play, so we won't let them play" argument is petulant and childish.

And I know of at least a few men who played in the US Open this year who wouldn't have a prayer against the top 10 women. So they wouldn't be spoiling any competition by providing unfairly soft draws to anyone.

-Andrew
 
I think, there are certain qualifications in respect to an individual sport. Within that sport, there are factors involved that go beyond that single event. There are rankings, and those rankings effect the overall stats for each player throughout the year. There are team competitions, and historical stats in place and things like that aren't easily neglected.

Within competition, there are categories. There is no shame in separating a man and a woman in competition. Just as there is nothing wrong with separating handicapped players within their respective category. It gives more opportunity for growth within that level of playing field.

It is really very simple and very fundamental that the best within each group compete within each other. It is about organization and the reason we separate into categories is to keep things from getting too out of hand or the fact that it may add liability. There are a whole lot of other things to consider than to just ask, 'why?'

I personally think women can do very well in the U.S. Open. It would be a great accomplishment to see a female player win a world class event. There was a time when Annika, and Michelle Wie was allowed to play with the men, but think about it. They just don't belong in that group. The belong with other women in the LPGA. They compete among their own category. Within that category, there lies room for growth and that is what is most important is the future of that sport. I understand pool is different, and many female players can hang with the men, but that's not all there is to it.

Another thing to look at is who's club are you wanting to be a part of? Augusta National has a committee of men. They want their tournament to be males of certain qualification. To fit in that category that excludes others makes it all the more special. It also raises questions like the original question that started this thread. It is the same for Berry Behrman. He can invite whomever he wants no one can do a thing about it. If I have people over to my house, and your not invited, don't knock on my front door and ask why I didn't invite you, cause life doesn't work like that.

I am all for having a completely separate combined tournament for men, women, handicapped and whomever else wanted to get in providing they qualify, but I am a firm believer in tradition. Tradition carries weight and a sense of depth that is irreplaceable. We should respect tradition, and cherish it, cause once it's gone, it's gone.
 
phishman said:
Corvette, I like most of your dialog but have to disagree with the statement that there are 50 men players that could give the seven ball and win against the TOP women players.
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well let me see if I can name 50 off the top of my head

1) Yang
2) Wu
3) Orcullo
4) Van Corteza
5) Pagulayan
6) De Luna
7) Alcano
8) Kiamco
9) Souquet
10) Immonen
11) Hohmann
12) Engert
13) Drago
14) Appleton
15) Peach
16) Melling
17) Boyes
18) Parica
19) Reyes
20) Fiejen
21) Van Den Berg
22) Ricky Yang
23) Archer
24) Van Boening
25) Schmidt
26) Nevel
27) Jones
28) Moore
29) Deuel
30) Chamat
31) Mills
32) Dominguez
33) Martinez
34) Strickland
35) Bustamante
36) Chao
37) Chavez
38) Hatch
39) Frost
40) Luat
41) Sambajon
42) Walden
43) Townsend
44) Wiseman
45) Owen
46) Watson
47) Williams
48) Davis
49) Ortmann
50) Kirkwood

Thats just 50 off the top of my head and doesn't take into account the scores of other Asians and Pinoys that could snap them off that way.

There are probably 200 more or so that would be favored over them even.
 
I still stand by Jasmin Ouschan would have the best chance. I think she can hang and would gladly take 100-1 odds on her in the US Open. Gambling, I dont know if she would last. But race to 11, she can beat anyone in this world. It only takes a few good/bad rolls.
 
Hell, my buddy Bruce in Athens who never plays and sits at the bar and drinks 5 nights a week could play any of them even on my money and most of you have never even heard of him.
 
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