Showman vs Wayne

mia said:
I'm curious as to something else...

Of all the people who seem to think Showman is 'the obvious choice' or 'hands down' winner, how many come to that decision because they think Thomas Wayne is an arrogant, condescending a$$? Or because they've heard his cues don't play well?

Just curious.
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Since I've never played with a John Showman cue I didn't vote, however I really did not like my Thomas Wayne cue.
No disrespect to Thomas Wayne because I don't know him, but it bothered me to have one of his cues and feel like I couldn't send it to him based on his rep for customer service.
I missed the discussions about the playability of TW cues, but I will go out on a limb and pick John Showman cues over Thomas Wayne cues.

I will also go out on a limb and take the Denver Bronco's even against the Jacksonville Jaguars>>:smile:
 
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desmocourtney said:
I could overlook the bloated ego if his cues were mentioned when talking about the best playing cues ever. I don't hear that.
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Mentioned where, on AZB? How many clowns here have owned, or even shot around with, a TW cue?

I can sort of stomach it when people talk about how good their cues play. It's mostly meaningless, but I understand the sentiment and motivation for trumpeting a cue you own. But when I hear the opposite (ie so and so makes a bad hitting cue, I heard it on AZ, or worse: I've never hear mentioned that so and so makes a good hitting cue), it's just white noise.

-roger
 
buddha162 said:
Mentioned where, on AZB? How many clowns here have owned, or even shot around with, a TW cue?

I can sort of stomach it when people talk about how good their cues play. It's mostly meaningless, but I understand the sentiment and motivation for trumpeting a cue you own. But when I hear the opposite (ie so and so makes a bad hitting cue, I heard it on AZ, or worse: I've never hear mentioned that so and so makes a good hitting cue), it's just white noise.

-roger
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I'd bet a lot of people who "don't care for the way TW's cue play" aren't basing it on firsthand experience but more on an inaccurate story about a comment he allegedly made years ago.
 
Walkermine said:
Not that it will probably matter to you, but I was specifically referring to Richard Black, Bob Manzino, Rick Chudy, Ernie Gutierrez, and Jerry McWorter. I might say that they all put themselves on that same short list. Haven't had the pleasure to ever talk with Showman but perhaps he has TW on his short list too :D
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Yes, it does matter as I was curious and sincere in my question. I always find it interesting who admires who and why (or why not). I would have guessed three of the five, but learned something new with the other two mentioned.
 
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To get back on track, I had my last order with John and then canceled last minute ( long story and John understood ) I would want a cue from John. Top tier all around...
 
I have to wonder if any of these people who say Thomas Wayne cues don't hit good have ever even held one, played one. Same for a Showman. Both men are exceptional at what they do. My TW cue plays beautifully. Wish I could get my hands on a Showman. I have met both men and had conversations with both men. I can tell all that I relished the time I have spent conversing with both. Thomas ( from what I have honestly viewed) is only harsh on those who speak of things that he is well educated about. The man know his stuff. John Showman hasn't been put in the same situations on these forums. I wish them both well, and look forward to what they produce in the future.

As far as top tier makers who respect TW...Doucette, Black, Stroud, Ernie G., Dave Kikel, Schick, McWorter, and on and on and on and on. The guy is a effin monster in a group of monsters.
 
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William said:
Yes, it does matter as I was curious and sincere in my question. I always find it interesting who admires who and why (or why not). I would have guessed three of the five, but learned something new with the other two mentioned.
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Good. I find it interesting when talking with cue makers about terms like playability, their take on collecting, and their common appreciation for the real vintage or classic stuff on one hand while also having the motivation and willingness to risk take with new design. IMO, those I've mentioned, including TW, all seem to think very much alike in that respect.
 
I had a TW,and tried to sell a few for a dealer friend of mine. They were beautiful cues, but I didn't like the hit at all.
 
I love traditional designs and Showman cues.

But how would I actually go about commissioning John to create a cue for me? He has no web page. In searching the web I only find an occasional cue for sale here or there.

My sense is that there are a small group of collectors that already know how to get in touch with the various elite cue makers and have a history with them, and these cue makers easily sell everything they make to them. So no need to make it easy to get in touch with them. Reminds me of a successful auto repair shop I went to years ago, which was closed on the weekends. I asked the guy why they don't open up on weekends, and he said with a smile "because I don't have to!"
 
jeffj2h said:
I love traditional designs and Showman cues.

But how would I actually go about commissioning John to create a cue for me? He has no web page. In searching the web I only find an occasional cue for sale here or there.

My sense is that there are a small group of collectors that already know how to get in touch with the various elite cue makers and have a history with them, and these cue makers easily sell everything they make to them. So no need to make it easy to get in touch with them. Reminds me of a successful auto repair shop I went to years ago, which was closed on the weekends. I asked the guy why they don't open up on weekends, and he said with a smile "because I don't have to!"
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http://www.showmancues.com/about_us.html

Maybe I don't understand what you're saying.
 
That 'other' conversation betwixt Johnbo and TW was very ...um...enlightening.

Something was mentioned during the round-table discussion (about "the future" of cue making) that I thought was very interesting, in part because of the somewhat vague responses that I can recall...

I was intrigued enough that I was actually discussing it with Mr Herceck at the WCCS last week...

My question goes something like this:

Do you create a new (cue) design based on what you alone perceive as a "good design"? ( who cares what the general public likes or doesn't like)

Or-

Do you create a design based solely on what you think will be popular, trendy, or for whatever reason, acceptable or liked by john q public?



If your answer is the second response^, does it not basically remove the freedom of creating a truly original piece of work, because you are automatically forced to work within a given set of parameters? Doesn't your work become 'commissioned' rather than inspired?

All thoughts are welcomed.
 
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