Shut up or put up -- 90 degree "impossible" cut-shot

hemicudas said:
The difference is, Spider, Efren killed the ball two rails with inside english and came back down to be straight in for his next shot. That had to be one of the top two shots I have ever seen. The man is simply the greatest and unlike Mosconi,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,he smiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiles.
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If I'm thinking of the same shot you're referring to (against Alex, I believe), it wasn't quite the same cut angle. A fantastic shot, to be sure, but nowhere near the cut angle of Bob's shot, as indicated by the path Efren's CB took after making the ball.

Again, not to put down Efren's shot, which was a great shot, but his shot and Bob's shot are two different things. Apparently Bob has done the impossible...next time I'm at Shoreline, I want an encore. :D
 
Moon Cricket said:
I've tried this shot atleast 20 times today and am not even getting close :confused:
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More outside english. And, as the major league pitchers demonstrate, new, shiny balls are not best.

In fact, you have to have so much outside english that the surface of the cue ball where it contacts the object ball has to be moving backwards (!!!) when it hits the object ball. Most players are unwilling to spin the ball that much. The cue ball should have no draw or follow when it gets to the object ball -- just side spin. If you have only middling side spin, any throw will in fact carry the object ball forward, not drag it backwards.
 
Tried about 50 times so far, keep missing by a little more than a ball. Nice shot, Bob.
 
Tom In Cincy said:
Bob, was it last year or earlier this year that you did this shot?
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I posted the shot in another video that I made about 14 months ago, but it is really bad quality. Peer's video is much clearer, although his "reality" camera work tends to make me seasick.
 
Bob Jewett said:
it is more than a 90-degree cut to make the ball in the other corner pocket. I think that's not possible with inside and I'd pay to be proven wrong.
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for curiosity,wondering how much money u are talking about? I am not betting with u.Just for curiosity only.Any cut shot effren could do I will do it with inside or out side english or the top center for the right price ( three lap dances in Dejavue strip club):cool: :cool: :cool:
 
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super thin cuts are a specialty of mine...

What impresses me the most isn't the angle.. but the distance he makes the OB move...

I can't seem to get more than a foot foot and a half of OB travel on an angle that extreme.. and that's using dirty bar balls..

Nice shot.
 
it had to be the cue.....:wink: now i hate bob too. (just kidding) All jokeing aside I would love to meet Bob.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I got it from Mr. Viking himself, but that's a Josswest shaft.

For those who keep track of statistics, it took about 30 tries. On one shot that's on the video, I overcut the five towards a spot on the end rail 3/4 of a diamond from the pocket, but the five only went about eight inches.

Until a year and a half ago when I figured out the technique for this shot and for Vernon Elliott's impossible cross-side bank, I would have bet large sums against either one. It is possible for old dogs to learn new tricks. For Elliott's shot, see Joe Tucker's amazing video at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql-vXWEA_TU
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So what is the technique, Bob?

I have to say it's interesting to finally see what you look like. I have to admit that you look nothing like I had imagined. For some reason I pictured you more like a cross between Herb Tarlick and Michael J Fox.
MULLY
Tarlick on the looks and Fox, in Family Ties, on the clothes.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Peer's video is much clearer, although his "reality" camera work tends to make me seasick.
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Feeling dizzy when watching my videos might be an age related thingee -- since that's pretty much what also my grandparents say about watching regular TV. So perhaps you Bob should just put on your slippers and then confine yourself to drink your tea and listen to the radio..?

-- peer
 
OK, I want the truth!

Did someone peel up that spot and move it closer to the end rail? :p

Nice shot Bob, I didn't know that was possible. I can't wait to frustrate myself trying it.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I suspect that Efren didn't cut the object ball 93 degrees with inside English. I'm guessing his was about an 80-degree cut which still looks more or less impossible.

Note that with the cue ball in the jaws of the corner pocket and the object ball on the spot (as in the video), it is more than a 90-degree cut to make the ball in the other corner pocket. I think that's not possible with inside and I'd pay to be proven wrong.
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I remember Efren's fantastic shot. Bob is right. It was less than 90 degrees, but still a very extreme cut, and to shoot it with the game on the line and get perfect position, killing the ball two rails out of the corner....STUPENDOUS!
 
jay helfert said:
I remember Efren's fantastic shot. Bob is right. It was less than 90 degrees, but still a very extreme cut, and to shoot it with the game on the line and get perfect position, killing the ball two rails out of the corner....STUPENDOUS!
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Agreed. It was nowhere near 90 degrees when Efren hit it. He would not have shot it if it was.
 
Luxury said:
Agreed. It was nowhere near 90 degrees when Efren hit it. He would not have shot it if it was.
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Again, just the path the CB took indicates it was less than 90. As I remember it, he cue the ball in, then the CB went long rail and head rail back down on the correct side (facing Efren's pocket).
 
Can someone cuetable the shot...I cannot view youtube at work? I am curious to see the shot.
 
suckershot said:
If I'm thinking of the same shot you're referring to (against Alex, I believe), it wasn't quite the same cut angle. A fantastic shot, to be sure, but nowhere near the cut angle of Bob's shot, as indicated by the path Efren's CB took after making the ball.

Again, not to put down Efren's shot, which was a great shot, but his shot and Bob's shot are two different things. Apparently Bob has done the impossible...next time I'm at Shoreline, I want an encore. :D
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I have the Efren video and it was a great shot. However, as others have already stated, it was not nearly the same cut as Bob demostrated. I make both shots routinely!:shakehead:
 
wbweld0 said:
Can someone cuetable the shot...I cannot view youtube at work? I am curious to see the shot.
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The shot is easy to set up without a diagram. Put the object ball on the foot spot. Put the cue ball about 8 inches out from the jaws of a foot pocket moving it straight towards the object ball on the spot along the line joining that foot pocket to the diagonally opposite side pocket. Cut the object ball into the other foot pocket.

The cut angle for the successful shot on the video was about 95 degrees since the ball went in on the harder side of the corner pocket. Perhaps more impressive was a shot that had the object ball moving towards a spot 3/4 of a diamond along the foot rail, but it didn't move very far.

I use as level a stroke as possible -- which gets nasty, gummy Brunswick pocket liner all over my shaft -- and more outside english than most players are willing to use. I use a tiny bit of draw with the side. My tip is under 11mm, but I think that's not required, and it's probably OK to have a ferrule.
 
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