Shut up or put up -- 90 degree "impossible" cut-shot

SpiderWebComm said:
Nice shot! I saw Efren shoot that shot in a DCC 1P match under heat.

What's more impressive is your avatar. I didn't realize that's actually you until I saw your eyebrow. Nice photoshop work.

Dave
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Yeah it's not bland like your avatar
 
Bob Jewett said:
The shot is easy to set up without a diagram. Put the object ball on the foot spot. Put the cue ball about 8 inches out from the jaws of a foot pocket moving it straight towards the object ball on the spot along the line joining that foot pocket to the diagonally opposite side pocket. Cut the object ball into the other foot pocket.

The cut angle for the successful shot on the video was about 95 degrees since the ball went in on the harder side of the corner pocket. Perhaps more impressive was a shot that had the object ball moving towards a spot 3/4 of a diamond along the foot rail, but it didn't move very far.

I use as level a stroke as possible -- which gets nasty, gummy Brunswick pocket liner all over my shaft -- and more outside english than most players are willing to use. I use a tiny bit of draw with the side. My tip is under 11mm, but I think that's not required, and it's probably OK to have a ferrule.
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Bob, setting up the shot as you describe, if you continued to move the cueball closer to the object ball, at what point would you be too close to pocket it? Nice shot btw!
 
Peer said:
I never thought a true 90-degree cut-shot was possible, but when I finally managed to persuade my nemesis/hero Bob Jewett to try this -- whatever I thought was impossible he somehow managed to pull off in front of my dinky camera... and it didn't take him long either. And to make it even more impressive is that this was done on a super tight table (quadruple shimmed pockets).

For you who don't know Bob Jewett, I reluctantly admit that he's one of the most knowledgeable billiards persons of our time, and hence, as I've said many times before -- I hate this guy.

This is the video I shot last night:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaSKh1PSqok

-- peer
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Sure, sure but could he make the same shot using a red circle cue ball? :wink:
JoeyA
 
Actually....Very, very nice cut Bob!!!

I'm going to go try it right now. Pretty sure I won't even get close!

Russ......
 
philw said:
Bob, setting up the shot as you describe, if you continued to move the cueball closer to the object ball, at what point would you be too close to pocket it? Nice shot btw!
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I think that it could stand a couple more degrees of cut so maybe three or four inches closer. (Since the cue ball is moving straight towards the object ball, at some point the best you can do is shoot the shot recommended by poolhustler -- straight in the side.)
 
other impossible shots

Bob Jewett said:
I posted the shot in another video that I made about 14 months ago, but it is really bad quality. Peer's video is much clearer, although his "reality" camera work tends to make me seasick.
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Bob and others,

FYI, I have links to your other videos, along with some other related stuff, here:


under "impossible shots."

Regards,
Dave
 
jay helfert said:
I remember Efren's fantastic shot.
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I recollect seeing Efren's shot on the following web site: library.cuetable.com . I did a search but wasn't able to find the video clip; however, someone else might be able to find it and post the link here.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I suspect that Efren didn't cut the object ball 93 degrees with inside English. I'm guessing his was about an 80-degree cut which still looks more or less impossible.

Note that with the cue ball in the jaws of the corner pocket and the object ball on the spot (as in the video), it is more than a 90-degree cut to make the ball in the other corner pocket. I think that's not possible with inside and I'd pay to be proven wrong.
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Yes, you are right, Bob. Anything close to 90' has to be shot with outside english. Efren's shot was the thinnest cut I remember seeing shot with inside english. What made people gasp was when, instead of the normal 3 rail path expected, he killed it off the second, top rail and came straight down to be straight in his pocket.

Your reasoning is why people thought the CB had to go three rails. We all assumed with a cut that thin he had to have used outside english,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,he didn't.

This is the other and #1 shot ever. Also Efren. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPj20afa1M8

Very nice shot BTW, Bob.
 
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JoeyA said:
Sure, sure but could he make the same shot using a red circle cue ball? :wink:
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I doubt it, and he can also only do this shot with a five ball -- which relates to this quiz; what significance has that music, other than it's Bob's favorite piece?

-- peer
 
hemicudas said:
Yes, you are right, Bob. Anything close to 90' has to be shot with outside english. Efren's shot was the thinnest cut .
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I don`t agree my friend.Those shots can be made with inside English but not on a new samonis cloth.They also can be made with top center ( 12 0clock).
PS: I very rarely talk about technical stuff on AZB .But on this issue I decided to give my opinion.
 
vagabond said:
I don`t agree my friend.Those shots can be made with inside English but not on a new samonis cloth.They also can be made with top center ( 12 0clock). ...
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I'm willing to pay to see that. If you ever find yourself in the San Francisco/San Jose area, maybe we could arrange a transfer of knowledge/money. The only requirements from my end are that the cue stick is touching the rail at contact (so it is level), and that you do the shot in less than an hour. If there is anything else out of the ordinary, like one of those crazy eight balls that's filled with mercury, it has to be agreed to beforehand. I'll go for $200 under those conditions.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I'm willing to pay to see that. If you ever find yourself in the San Francisco/San Jose area, maybe we could arrange a transfer of knowledge/money. The only requirements from my end are that the cue stick is touching the rail at contact (so it is level), and that you do the shot in less than an hour. If there is anything else out of the ordinary, like one of those crazy eight balls that's filled with mercury, it has to be agreed to beforehand. I'll go for $200 under those conditions.
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When I choose to do that shot with either inside or outside English I some times elevate the cue 10-15 degrees becuase I had a wierd stroke.
If I am using Top center I use a near level cue but not touching the rails.
I ran into u many times in the past in different places and on several occasions I was only few feet away but I never introduced myself.That is how I am.I do not have any emotinal need to come all the way to sanfrancisco to show my PROWESS.I am a very old man and I am not into ego trips and betting is not my MO but on occasions I did do that. In this case no betting.Next time I run into you and if I am in good physical health I will show you that shot for free and you don`t have to buy me lap dances in dejavue.Few days ago I was told by my orthopedic doc that I need total replacemnet of my left shoulder( my bridge hand ).:cool:
 
vagabond said:
... Next time I run into you and if I am in good physical health I will show you that shot for free ...
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That's even better. I hope you're feeling better -- maybe Derby City.
 
Frustrating

I tried this shot about 15 times yesterday. The first few were really embarrassing. I finally got the object ball to move directly on line with the corner pocket but it only travelled about six inches. I don't see how this is possible to get the object ball to travel that distance using only throw with such little contact.

I may keep trying, but seriously cannot figure it out. I told another guy about the shot and he doesn't believe me. I told him where to find it on YouTube.
 
Poolfiend said:
... I don't see how this is possible to get the object ball to travel that distance using only throw with such little contact. ...
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Here are the instructions again: Use more outside english than you would ever use on any normal shot. If you're not miscuing about 1/3 of the time, you're not out far enough on the ball. Very slightly below center. The balls must not be clean and polished or the throw won't take as much as you need.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Here are the instructions again: Use more outside english than you would ever use on any normal shot. If you're not miscuing about 1/3 of the time, you're not out far enough on the ball. Very slightly below center. The balls must not be clean and polished or the throw won't take as much as you need.
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Bob, you forgot to tell him that putting a strong fan at the other end of the table would help a lot. It will add speed to the object ball and also help it to bend toward the pocket. Just kidding.

In regards to the the other fellow saying that it can be done with inside english that is very hard for me to imagine. Outside english is what is needed to help the object ball spin to the direction of the pocket.
 
Fatboy said:
seems to me the dirtier the balls the better, polished balls wont have enough friction.
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Please keep those balls greased for my visit to yore MANSION/PALACE.Cheers:thumbup:
 
Peer said:
I doubt it, and he can also only do this shot with a five ball -- which relates to this quiz; what significance has that music, other than it's Bob's favorite piece?

-- peer
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That's not the tune from Mission Impossible is it? :D
JoeyA
 
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