Gene you said in another thread something about how efron aims. Can you expand on that? It was something about center and edges or something.
I just spent a little time with various shots and various types of sightings, and I still seem to prefer always sighting along the aiming line through the center of the CB (maybe just because this is what I am used to). My "vision center" seems to be between my nose and right eye (maybe a little closer to my eye than my nose) ... this is where I naturally line up, and this seems to be the best position for me to see when a straight-in shot looks straight in (and to see if the cue tip is lined up center-ball or not). When I shift my head sideways in either direction, the cue doesn't look lined up right anymore.FYI, Mike Page's videos on aiming and sighting are a "must-see" for everybody reading these aiming and sighting threads. They can be found here:
He points out that the only sighting that makes sense for a straight in shot is over the cue along the contact-point-to-contact-point line.
He also points out that with a thin cut, the sighting line that makes the most sense is also along the contact-point-to-contact-point line (which will be very close edge-to-edge for a really thin cut).
Then he suggests that maybe you should also sight along the contact-point-to-contact-point line for all shots in between (any cut shot). He also makes a good argument that you should probably never sight along a line that is not parallel to the aiming line (which is along the cue for a center-ball hit).
This all makes a lot of sense to me. What do you guys think? I especially hope Scott, Gene, Randy, Steve, and other instructors out there will give us their opinions and let us know if, how, and why they might teach this differently.
Regards,
Dave
I just spent a little time with various shots and various types of sightings, and I still seem to prefer always sighting along the aiming line through the center of the CB (maybe just because this is what I am used to). My "vision center" seems to be between my nose and right eye (maybe a little closer to my eye than my nose) ... this is where I naturally line up, and this seems to be the best position for me to see when a straight-in shot looks straight in (and to see if the cue tip is lined up center-ball or not). When I shift my head sideways in either direction, the cue doesn't look lined up right anymore.
Regardless of any of this stuff, I think most people would agree that the most important thing is to be as consistent as possible with your alignment for various types of shots (and to have a consistent pre-shot routine that allows you to achieve consistent sighting alignment with every type of shot). With consistency, I think our vision and brain can learn to "see" the right shot line for different angles and at different distances, provided we are providing the brain with a consistent "picture" with consistent alignment.
Regards,
Dave
"Useful" being a subjective term. Hence why we have a public discussion forum for all types of muddled ideas and anecdotes regarding pool. When's the last time you had a conversation with your mother and halfway through said "there is little value in this conversation... goodbuy."There is no usueful information in this post. Only personl anecdotes, guesswork, and the obfuscation of a muddled idea which, if held in the brain before/while trying to make a shot, would contribute more to failure than success.
TxSkin
"Useful" being a subjective term. Hence why we have a public discussion forum for all types of muddled ideas and anecdotes regarding pool. When's the last time you had a conversation with your mother and halfway through said "there is little value in this conversation... goodbuy."
Try not to knock anyone for participating in the sharing of ideas and just plain old talking about pool stuff.
Thank you for your understanding.
BTW, in case you were unsure, by "consistency" I didn't mean to imply you have to align the same way for every different type of shot (like I seem to prefer), I meant you need to line up the same way for the same type of shot.There is no usueful information in this post. Only personl anecdotes, guesswork, and the obfuscation of a muddled idea which, if held in the brain before/while trying to make a shot, would contribute more to failure than success.
You misunderstand...
I said "...Try not to knock anyone for their ideas..." which is merely a suggestion regarding your responses to people. What you said to Dr. Dave was purely a judgemental statement regarding the value of his post. I didn't disregard any value in your post, but merely commented on its judgemental nature and considerately asked you to try harder next time.
BTW, in case you were unsure, by "consistency" I didn't mean to imply you have to align the same way for every different type of shot (like I seem to prefer), I meant you need to line up the same way for the same type of shot.
I'm sorry you felt my post had no useful information ... unlike most of the posts on AZB???![]()
:grin: :boring2:
Regards,
Dave
Dr. Daves' post went clean over ma haid.
TxSkin
This is all about consistency, which is required to align yourself correctly with the aim line, but it says nothing about how to find the aim line. Sounds like your "kabuki" is to simply find it by feel (me too) - but everybody can't do that.
pj
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Actually, I don't try and find an aim line -- brain and body will do that naturally.
What brain and body won't do naturally (for most of us), is line up bridge hand, cue, grip hand, arm, head, and feets in a manner that will create an accurate repeatable stroke. There's the Kabuki ;-)
Lou Figueroa
Can we get back to "useful" posts again?
What did people think about the ideas in Mike's videos?
Who thinks sighting should always be through the center of the CB?
Who thinks sighting should be aligned with the cue (even with English)?
Who thinks sighting should always be aligned with the contact-point-to-contact-point line, as Mike suggests?
What do most instructors recommend concerning these matters, if somebody has trouble with aiming?
Regards,
Dave
Dave, those are great quastions but the answers to them do not advance the "science" of pool. They comprise only an opinion poll, which of course means nothing primary to the truth of a matter the questions are concerned with.
The questions are only important to the degree that that they get an angle on the truth. What angle is being poursued here? Feelings, opinons, and anecdotes..or facts?
TxSkin, PhD (really)
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My purpose for the questions (and his whole thread) is not to "advance the 'science' of pool." My goal is to hear different people's opinions (hopefully from some experienced instructors and seasoned players), and try to find out if there is any "general consensus" and/or "plausible rationale" among the answers.
Thank you,
Dave
PS: For a PhD, you sure can't spell too good.
There is no usueful information in this post. Only personl anecdotes, guesswork, and the obfuscation of a muddled idea which, if held in the brain before/while trying to make a shot, would contribute more to failure than success.
TxSkin
He's basically saying you can't apply all that science stuff to pool.