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When i refelt the table with 860 simonis i get some little wrinkles in areas shown, on both side of the table.
I alvays thought that i don't do job properly, but i seen exactly the same on europian championships and euro tours, where proffesionals do the job...

Any suggestion ? :o
 
peter_gunn said:

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When i refelt the table with 860 simonis i get some little wrinkles in areas shown, on both side of the table.
I alvays thought that i don't do job properly, but i seen exactly the same on europian championships and euro tours, where proffesionals do the job...

Any suggestion ? :o
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Define "professional" :D
 
wrinkles

I wasn't stretched enough or correctly. Take it apart and re stretch it.

If it was installed when the humidity was very low and then the humidity went high..........you will get wrinkles if it wasn't stretched right.

Trust me .... I am a do it your selfer and I know. Been there and done that.

If you do it yourself, three things can happen:

1. it turns out right.
2. it's AFU and you do it again until it's right.
3 you call a professional to fix your FU.

When in doubt........... get a professional to do it. Sometimes, if you do it yourself, it can cost you more than if you called the professional in the first place.

just a thought

Kim
 
whammo57 said:
I wasn't stretched enough or correctly. Take it apart and re stretch it.

If it was installed when the humidity was very low and then the humidity went high..........you will get wrinkles if it wasn't stretched right.

Trust me .... I am a do it your selfer and I know. Been there and done that.

If you do it yourself, three things can happen:

1. it turns out right.
2. it's AFU and you do it again until it's right.
3 you call a professional to fix your FU.

When in doubt........... get a professional to do it. Sometimes, if you do it yourself, it can cost you more than if you called the professional in the first place.

just a thought

Kim
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Cloth is streched VERY firm. You can't move cloth with fingers. Maybe i can't find exact word for that wrinkles ... they are like some texture anomaly ....
 
peter_gunn said:
Cloth is streched VERY firm. You can't move cloth with fingers. Maybe i can't find exact word for that wrinkles ... they are like some texture anomaly ....
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That's called stretch shadows, you must be installing the cloth end to end first, then side to side. Call Simonis and see if they'll send you the cloth install DVDs they have.

Glen
 
I gave up on that method years ago because everycloth has a different amount of stretch to it. My way is similar to what Glen does on the simmonis dvd. I made some adjustments to my way to adopt his way now I very rarely have issuies with my installs.
If you staple you get those lines from staples cutting the cloth where as if you glue it you dont get the stretch shadow lines nearly as much if any at all.

Best of luck.
Craig
 
peter_gunn said:
TY. How about this one? Is there any difference to work with staples?
Thanks in advance man :thumbup2:
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I never staple a bed coth down. I only use staples to close off the pockets. I've been using my glueing method to install bed cloths since 1983.

Glen
 
OMG i knew now what you people mean by streach shadows.
But that is not my problem. Sometimes i got strech shadow around middle pocket. But never in that area i mentioned. It's not shadow.. it's anomaly... cloth doesn't look apsolutly smooth in that area, it's hard for me to explain :(
But i think is not staples issue... it's probably wrong pattern as RKC said

picture of mentioned area :

fotografija.jpg




ps. look at picture from at least 0,5 m
 
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peter_gunn said:
Bump for adding the picture :D
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That's like one of those 3D posters that I never could see no matter how much I crossed my eyes. LOL

But seriously, I can faintly see the area you're talking about. Have you sent that picture to the manufacturer for their opinion?
 
peter_gunn said:
OMG i knew now what you people mean by streach shadows.
But that is not my problem. Sometimes i got strech shadow around middle pocket. But never in that area i mentioned. It's not shadow.. it's anomaly... cloth doesn't look apsolutly smooth in that area, it's hard for me to explain :(
But i think is not staples issue... it's probably wrong pattern as RKC said

picture of mentioned area :

fotografija.jpg




ps. look at picture from at least 0,5 m
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I know exactly what you are talking about. It is in the grain of the cloth. No matter the stretch pattern you use it will be visible. I have seen it mostly on the Tour Blue cloth. It seems to go away after the cloth is on the table for a while.
 
Club Billiards said:
That's like one of those 3D posters that I never could see no matter how much I crossed my eyes. LOL

But seriously, I can faintly see the area you're talking about. Have you sent that picture to the manufacturer for their opinion?
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It,s not cloth issue. It,s my work. And work of anyone else on tables i see and play in Europe. Pls look at your work also. If you have it also in that area (see pic in my first post in this thread) than maybe it,s normal thing...:o
 
reverend said:
I know exactly what you are talking about. It is in the grain of the cloth. No matter the stretch pattern you use it will be visible. I have seen it mostly on the Tour Blue cloth. It seems to go away after the cloth is on the table for a while.
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Thank you man :D Now just have to wait RKC to see and maybe confirm this and i,m happy man.

(and not hack :P )
 
Peter, what you're showing and talking about is what occurs when the cloth is stretched longer than the weave, meaning the treads are under tention....you trying to pull them apart, and them trying to stay weaved together...so the threads stretch somewhat. When they do that, the weave opens up just a little bit, letting you see more of the weave grain, and you see more of this on a worsted woolen cloth than you do on a woven type of pool cloth because of the nap. I call it corn rows in the weave, and yes they'll all smooth out with normal play, kind of like smudging the surface of the cloth all together to create one smooth surface. You're right though, that's not stretch shadows, think of it more along the lines of stressing the weave of the cloth, which is pretty normal.

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
Peter, what you're showing and talking about is what occurs when the cloth is stretched longer than the weave, meaning the treads are under tention....you trying to pull them apart, and them trying to stay weaved together...so the threads stretch somewhat. When they do that, the weave opens up just a little bit, letting you see more of the weave grain, and you see more of this on a worsted woolen cloth than you do on a woven type of pool cloth because of the nap. I call it corn rows in the weave, and yes they'll all smooth out with normal play, kind of like smudging the surface of the cloth all together to create one smooth surface. You're right though, that's not stretch shadows, think of it more along the lines of stressing the weave of the cloth, which is pretty normal.

Glen
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Thank you :thumbup:
 
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