Simonis 860HR looks like it has chicken pox...?

nineballsafety8

nineballsafety8

6ft 5" 285, hits 'em hard
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Quick question...

I have an 8 footer in the basement, and it has 860HR on it. Installed in early November. Plays fantastic, but my cloth has white spots all over it. Just curious as to what the hell it might be? It doesnt have burn marks from breaking, it doesn't have wear marks around the rack...

But all over the table it has white dots, that look like someone was trying to masse, miscued, and jammed their tip into the table. I regularly brush, and vacuum the table, and every month or so, i hit it with the chalk off.

I didn't think to take pics, and am currently at work, so i am unfortunately unable to add pics at this time, but will do so when i get home.

Any idea what might be causing this?

I am going to be recovering it in the next month or so (just because i want to go to tournament blue instead of green), but am now apprehensive to try HR again, as i have never had this issue with standard 860 or 760, or championship tour edition.
 
Jump shot marks?

As I understand it, the white dots are caused by the CB getting exceptionally hot and scorching the cloth. For a split second on certain shots (especially with a very hard tip) there's a little hot spot on the CB and on the first revolution it causes that burn. So if you're a regular jumper with a phenolic tip, I'd guess it's that.

HR is supposedly more resilient, I guess it's possible it's more resistant to holes than average... but less resistant to burn marks. Maybe they'll seem less visible in the tournament blue.
 
CreeDo said:
Jump shot marks?

As I understand it, the white dots are caused by the CB getting exceptionally hot and scorching the cloth. For a split second on certain shots (especially with a very hard tip) there's a little hot spot on the CB and on the first revolution it causes that burn. So if you're a regular jumper with a phenolic tip, I'd guess it's that.

HR is supposedly more resilient, I guess it's possible it's more resistant to holes than average... but less resistant to burn marks. Maybe they'll seem less visible in the tournament blue.
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i do a moderate amount of jumping, but not to the degree that would make as many marks as there are.

What i was wondering is... i use draw ALOT, and have what i would LIKE to think is a pretty sporty stroke. And being that i have aramith premiums rather than super pros or cententials, i wont if they aren't "hesitation" burns from the pause from the cue ball on well stroked draw shots.

I try to keep the balls as clean as possible, but am wondering whether i need to step up in ball quality?
 
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Definately burn marks. Every jump shot leaves one even if the tip doesn't touch the cloth as the cue ball skips off of the cloth. They'll be worse if you have a cheap cue ball (anything 'non-aramith'), or if the cloth is not genuine 860hr. Keeping the balls polished and the cloth clean will help some.
 
Burn marks by any other name are still burn marks from the ball whether from breaking, jumps, masses, hard draw, etc. 860HR is supposed to minimize that but not eliminate it. The Premiers are decent but don't have the same finish as Super Pros so upgrading the ball set should help. And JMO but I'd ditch the chalk-off.
 
Dartman said:
Burn marks by any other name are still burn marks from the ball whether from breaking, jumps, masses, hard draw, etc. 860HR is supposed to minimize that but not eliminate it. The Premiers are decent but don't have the same finish as Super Pros so upgrading the ball set should help. And JMO but I'd ditch the chalk-off.
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I have only used the chalk of twice so far, on one other occasion i just used a damp (close to dry) cloth to clean up the cloth. May i ask why you would recommend not using the chalk off? just curious
 
I absolutely agree with Dartman...Chalk Off is straight up JUNK..I wouldn't use a cloth cleaner at all, however if you feel that you need to, try the Quick Clean by Dave Hodges...!!!
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realkingcobra said:
What cue ball?...is there marks all over it?
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RKC... i feel privileged to have you join the thread, it is an honor.
In answer to your question, it is the Aramith Premium that came with the set (blue logo), and I find that I have to clean it every 4th or 5th rack. I do not know why, but this cue ball gets "marked up" faster than any other CB i have ever seen... even the junk plastic balls you find in bar boxes.

Chalk marks, and brown spots from the leather in my drop pockets... just through it was a freak thing. Do you have anything informative (i assume you do), curious to your thoughts.
 
On the marks on the cloth: You can get these marks from using big draw in addition to jump shots. In addition I get them on my Simonis 760 when I need to draw the CB and it is withing 1/2 a ball-width of the rail. Apparently anything with a significantly downward stroke can produce the effect. The downward action increases tip tim during contact, and CB surface movement at the same instant causes the high pressure zone to rip fibers off the cloth.

On the CB. Once a CB starts to retain chalk, it is time to polish the surface of theCB back up to full luster. This will also improve its liveliness with respect to spin and reduce its throw.
 
My understanding is it's the nylon threads woven into Simonis cloth that turn white with heat. If HR is supposed to be more durable it might have higher nylon content.

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realkingcobra said:
What cue ball?...is there marks all over it?
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I have the same problem with my blue HR. Here's a photo of two of my cue balls. Both are aramith balls. One from my Centennial TV ball set. I also have some red circle cue balls that do the same thing but not quite as bad. Any ideas?

JC

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They are just burn marks caused by the spin of the CB, draw shots and jump shots are usually the culprits since they cause more friction.

Keeping your CB clean and keeping the cloth clean can help reduce this but if you are hitting these shots often then you are going to get burn marks. It's not a Simonis issue per say, all decent cloths are prone to this.
 
realkingcobra said:
Replace the cue ball with a red circle, that'll cut down about 75% of the white spots.
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i was just looking at Seyberts, and they have both the red circle and the super pro (non-measle) for around 16 bucks, not much difference in price...

what is the difference between the two balls?
 
When I first had my 860 Tourney Blue HR in stalled I got a lot of burn marks too. I had to have the seams on the slate redone on the table about a year later, turns out the cloth was'nt very tight or stretched at all. We reinstalled the cloth tighter and the burn marks have lessened.
 
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