Simonis Std Green 860 -- their website Fails so I ask the experts

You will all or almost all be happy to know that I have resigned myself from this website. It seems I can't help posting what I think and what I think matters only to me. Every time I think I can stop I just keep posting, only way for me to be quiet is not to have access. This time I really am done. And once again I wish all of you Good Luck! Cheers John
 
otlb

Anybody want to bet that he is lieing, again. I quit posting to his post. I have never wanted to hurt anybody, but he has tested my temper.:smile:
 
OTLB said:
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reagrdless of which method I choose to use that day..

Sounds to me like you're still undecided as to how to install the bed cloth, still learning to be a mechanic huh?...I only have one method, don't matter what kind of cloth or table, and it works perfect EVERY time

Keep doing R&D...you'll get it someday

Glen


Once again you have twisted my words. Its my fault I guess because I have been faulted many times for not making myself clear. When I do a snooker table, billiard table, antique ball return, antique drop pocket--- I use dif methods. Yes I do I do.

Last year my R + D costs represented 3.367094875039885673930 percent of my net operating profit.

This year I am going to allow 10%

I will say this also, you have inspired me more than any person to date to become the best there is.

Sadly I still have to beat a Grand Master in my area and he wears an apron to like another guy I knew.
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As long as the other guy isn't wearing a cape, you're alright OTLB;) and yes, you do know how to work on pool tables, you're just a little unorthadox...that's all:D
 
OTLB said:
Since you say you can do this method on ANY kind of table with wood backing ALL the time, I really would love to see it on an antique ball return model.
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My method works on any kind of table...backed, unbacked...it really don't matter, it's still 10 times better than stapling:grin:
 
OTLB said:
You will all or almost all be happy to know that I have resigned myself from this website. It seems I can't help posting what I think and what I think matters only to me. Every time I think I can stop I just keep posting, only way for me to be quiet is not to have access. This time I really am done. And once again I wish all of you Good Luck! Cheers John
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John, I'd rather you keep posting, as I do believe you do good work, I haven't seen it yet, but I do believe you work with your heart and have pride in what you do. My only problem is that sometimes you come of with some NASA comments, that really have no place in the real world of "everyday" mechanics for the rest of the world. For example, your designing the "best" pool table thread. Space-age ideas are like mental masturbation, they only sound good in your own mind, because if you don't have the ability to take them to the market...what good is it going to do.

Then you have this "I have a secret and I'm not telling you guys anything, I'm just going to keep it a secret" attitude about you. What purpose does that serve? On THIS web site, we try to help each other, not turn ideas that can help each other in to a guessing game of "secrets"...who cares about what secrets you have, unless you're willing to share what you know, what purpose can your "secrets" possibly provide?

In designing the "Best" table out here, you're a lot better off taking a look at all the tables out here worth looking at, and picking the best things about each of them, and try putting all them ideas into ONE pool table, because the way you come off is like...unless the table is designed by you...no other tables have ever been built right!!!

Unlike you John, I have designed and BUILT tables, a little over 500 tables to be exact! But I decided to turn my talents toward the commercial industry as opposed to the home table market, as I felt it would be serving a better purpose, which is why I'm INVOLVED with Diamond, as opposed to just "mentally masturbating" my mind about coming up with this or that, I've DONE it, not talked about it!

As far as how I install bed cloths compared to everyone else, I DO have the best system there is, because the one thing in common ALL mechanics share, world wide...is stapling the cloth on to a backer board, or spray-gluing the cloth on unbacked slates! You all use staples, of different sizes, you all basically install the cloth the same way on all backed slates, you all basically spray glue the cloth on unbacked, and bar table slates the same way, all around the world! And yes, I've been around the world...3 times, lived in other countries for 7yrs, and have seen other mechanics work enough to know...my way is different, and better!

Now, unlike you John, I AM going to change this industry we work and live in, to make it better, because believe it or not...every pool table in this world...belongs to a mechanic somewhere, be it a home owner doing there own work, or someone hired to recover a pool table, and I'm NOT keeping my knowledge a "Secret"...because I care enough to do something about "OUR" screwed up industry!!! What good is it to design the "Best" table in the world...if an everyday hack can turn it into a pile of shit to play pool on!

I work..."EVERYDAY" in this industry, all over this country, and I guarantee you...I see the same shit work done on pool tables no matter where I go, but there's only ONE of me, and thousands upon thousands of guys like you out here everyday working as mechanic's...and the world of pool is still f*%^ed up!...SO...what's the common denominator between ALL mechanics...world wide?..Figure that out, and you'll solve the hack problem we ALL face!!!

No John, stay on AZ, just please contribute when you have something to say, and don't make it seem like no one's as smart as you are;)

Glen, the Realkingcobra!!!
 
realkingcobra said:
My method works on any kind of table...backed, unbacked...it really don't matter, it's still 10 times better than stapling:grin:
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Great, great - now lets get to work shall we :D
Type: Package
Status: Delivered
Delivered On: 01/23/2009 9:58 A.M.
Signed By: JOHN
 
OTLB said:
You will all or almost all be happy to know that I have resigned myself from this website. It seems I can't help posting what I think and what I think matters only to me. Every time I think I can stop I just keep posting, only way for me to be quiet is not to have access. This time I really am done. And once again I wish all of you Good Luck! Cheers John[/QUOTE

John,

I know your a great mechanic a good player and a good person. Although we have never meet personally, I have seen your work and we have both done work for some of the same clients. You are very passionate and innovative guy when it comes to our industry and very courageous when it comes to delivering the best product and installation possible. I'm referring to your slate attachment technique. (It's the nuts)

I have enjoyed your posts and hope you will continue to contribute:D :D

Jay
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A-1 billiards said:
OTLB said:
You will all or almost all be happy to know that I have resigned myself from this website. It seems I can't help posting what I think and what I think matters only to me. Every time I think I can stop I just keep posting, only way for me to be quiet is not to have access. This time I really am done. And once again I wish all of you Good Luck! Cheers John[/QUOTE

John,

I know your a great mechanic a good player and a good person. Although we have never meet personally, I have seen your work and we have both done work for some of the same clients. You are very passionate and innovative guy when it comes to our industry and very courageous when it comes to delivering the best product and installation possible. I'm referring to your slate attachment technique. (It's the nuts)
I have enjoyed your posts and hope you will continue to contribute:D :D

Jay
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Yes, please stay OTLB. I have enjoyed your posts too. What would the mechanics section be without you?
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The real answer to this has nothing to do with stretch per say. Was only trying to helpout with an issue that is a problem for many in the business. My thoughts in this matter make alot of sense if you go deeper into what I say.
 
asked what is the amount of stretch on 860 std green for a 9ft GC? Length and Width. Does anyone know what the min would be? seems like a question for the Union to answer doesn't it. am asking for just one simple spec? not what is the tightest, what is the min? What I will give the answer to is why I asked it but since you want to answer it I will wait.

The answer is more important than you think and I will explain it after there is agreement on what is the min.
 
OTLB said:
asked what is the amount of stretch on 860 std green for a 9ft GC? Length and Width. Does anyone know what the min would be? seems like a question for the Union to answer doesn't it. am asking for just one simple spec? not what is the tightest, what is the min? What I will give the answer to is why I asked it but since you want to answer it I will wait.

The answer is more important than you think and I will explain it after there is agreement on what is the min.
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Since all installers don't have the same strength, or the same method, there really is no answer to your question John, other than as tight as the person doing the install can make it. Until there IS a standard based upon the persons strength installing the cloth, like a rule of thumb, this can't be anything but an opening to another discussion...on how tight should Simonis cloth be installed.

Glen
 
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