phreaticus
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Pulling rank, pro tour? No clue what you’re on about. I’m just some guy that plays pool in NorCal. Good luck with your cues and railbirding
Simplified CTE
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So, YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE VIDEO?
phreaticus
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I’m not even sure what video you’re babbling about. I only skim these threads every few days. signal to noise ratio way too low for me, especially in these aiming conversations, sadly. PJ started a healthy thread IMO, but nutters like you make my head hurt.
You're the nut .
You have not seen the video and you're assuming you know what Shane said .
The thread got derailed when someone made a claim how Shane aims .
And if you haven't been paying attention, all threads here get eventually derailed .
You contributed to the derailment of this one too .
phreaticus
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Got it. Thx for your astute VRB observations. I’ll bow out and leave you experts to it. Cheers
I don't think it's entirely bs about him using his shaft to aim. Many great players visualize the aim line based on where their shaft must be, in relation to the ob, in order to pocket the ball. In other words, while standing, you simply imagine a line that would put the left edge of your shaft flush against the outermost edge of the ob if you could follow through that far. Or you imagine a line that would put the center of your shaft at the edge of the ob. You visualize such a line, then you place your back foot on it and bring your bridge hand down on it and then line your cue up. You can visualize the aim line from a standing position without physically holding or pointing your cue toward the ob. Many people think that using your shaft to aim in this manner means you have to hold your cue out in front of you like a rifle...lol. That's not the case.
Here are 3 screenshots showing Shane first getting his aim line and stepping on it with his back foot. Then he bends down and places his bridge hand on the line, then he bends even further and ensures everything is lined up on that line. He very well may have imagined a line that would result in one side of his ferrule (or the center of his ferrule) being pointed to a specific ob reference.
Here he visualizes the aim line and places his back foot on it...
Then bends into the shot and addresses the cb with his back foot and bridge hand on the line, bringing his cue into it also...
Then he settles into the line and ensures that everything feels locked on target, the targeted aim line he chose from a standing position...and then he shoots the shot...
Why in the world would he need an aiming system on that shot ?I don't think it's entirely bs about him using his shaft to aim. Many great players visualize the aim line based on where their shaft must be, in relation to the ob, in order to pocket the ball. In other words, while standing, you simply imagine a line that would put the left edge of your shaft flush against the outermost edge of the ob if you could follow through that far. Or you imagine a line that would put the center of your shaft at the edge of the ob. You visualize such a line, then you place your back foot on it and bring your bridge hand down on it and then line your cue up. You can visualize the aim line from a standing position without physically holding or pointing your cue toward the ob. Many people think that using your shaft to aim in this manner means you have to hold your cue out in front of you like a rifle...lol. That's not the case.
Here are 3 screenshots showing Shane first getting his aim line and stepping on it with his back foot. Then he bends down and places his bridge hand on the line, then he bends even further and ensures everything is lined up on that line. He very well may have imagined a line that would result in one side of his ferrule (or the center of his ferrule) being pointed to a specific ob reference.
Here is visualizes the aim line....
Then he steps into it with his back foot and places his bridge hand on it, bringing his cue into it also...
Then he settles into the line and ensures that everything feels locked on target, the targeted aim line he chose from a standing position...and he shoots the shot...
If you placed that setup in the opposite side, he'd make that shot with his stick behind his back .
Once he lines up that shot while stood up , all he needs to do is to go straight down to the center of the cue ball .
That's not even a good candidate for lining up the side of the ferrule because the center of the tip pointing a little to the right of the contact point does the job. His peripheral vision can also tell if his shaft is on the right angle .
You really need to watch the video how he explains it .
brianI don't think it's entirely bs about him using his shaft to aim. Many great players visualize the aim line based on where their shaft must be, in relation to the ob, in order to pocket the ball. In other words, while standing, you simply imagine a line that would put the left edge of your shaft flush against the outermost edge of the ob if you could follow through that far. Or you imagine a line that would put the center of your shaft at the edge of the ob. You visualize such a line, then you place your back foot on it and bring your bridge hand down on it and then line your cue up. You can visualize the aim line from a standing position without physically holding or pointing your cue toward the ob. Many people think that using your shaft to aim in this manner means you have to hold your cue out in front of you like a rifle...lol. That's not the case.
Here are 3 screenshots showing Shane first getting his aim line and stepping on it with his back foot. Then he bends down and places his bridge hand on the line, then he bends even further and ensures everything is lined up on that line. He very well may have imagined a line that would result in one side of his ferrule (or the center of his ferrule) being pointed to a specific ob reference.
Here he visualizes the aim line and places his back foot on it...
Then bends into the shot and addresses the cb with his back foot and bridge hand on the line, bringing his cue into it also...
Then he settles into the line and ensures that everything feels locked on target, the targeted aim line he chose from a standing position...and THEN HE MAKES THE SHOT
i had to correct your post above
the final line should be
THEN HE MAKES THE SHOT
I'm not saying it's an aiming system, certainly not. It's just a way a seeing or visualizing the aim line. No system involved. And I wrote that he may have imagined where the edge or the center of his ferrule would be lined in determining the aim line. I have no idea, but either way works.
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got that.
And he's now playing with a black shaft with a white pad for "ferrule".
Any side of the "ferrule" or shaft aiming system just became tougher .
There was an Ultimate Aiming System VHS back in the days .
The dude claimed all you needed to do was aim the side of the ferrule to the contact point .
It worked on some shots and did not work for most shots .
It's what I do...not on every shot but my shaft is aligned from a standing view with a certain relationship with the contact point. I will also add that the contact point falls to the felt, I don't make a big deal and focus on the contact point, it just gets me started so I create a perception that looks good.I don't think it's entirely bs about him using his shaft to aim. Many great players visualize the aim line based on where their shaft must be, in relation to the ob, in order to pocket the ball. In other words, while standing, you simply imagine a line that would put the left edge of your shaft flush against the outermost edge of the ob if you could follow through that far. Or you imagine a line that would put the center of your shaft at the edge of the ob. You visualize such a line, then you place your back foot on it and bring your bridge hand down on it and then line your cue up. You can visualize the aim line from a standing position without physically holding or pointing your cue toward the ob. Many people think that using your shaft to aim in this manner means you have to hold your cue out in front of you like a rifle...lol. That's not the case.
Here are 3 screenshots showing Shane first getting his aim line and stepping on it with his back foot. Then he bends down and places his bridge hand on the line, then he bends even further and ensures everything is lined up on that line. He very well may have imagined a line that would result in one side of his ferrule (or the center of his ferrule) being pointed to a specific ob reference.
Here he visualizes the aim line and places his back foot on it...
Then bends into the shot and addresses the cb with his back foot and bridge hand on the line, bringing his cue into it also...
Then he settles into the line and ensures that everything feels locked on target, the targeted aim line he chose from a standing position...and then he shoots the shot...
Yeah...that edge of shaft to cp is no good for most shots.
Shane calls his method an aiming system, but I consider it fractional references. It's just a good way to establishing an aim line or a solid reference line to work from... Here is the video I've seen....
The neat thing is that the cp is always halfway between the middle of the ob and the aim line you're using. For example, when aiming a 1/2 ball shot the contact point is halfway between middle ob and ob edge.
A friend of mine uses whole numbers to represent the fractional aim points. 0 is a full a ball hit, then every eighth of a ball is an increase of 1. So 1 is a 7/8 shot, 2 is a 3/4, 3 is a 5/8, 4 is a 1/2, and so on.....
When aiming for a 4 (halfball hit), the contact point is at 2 (3/4 mark). When aiming for a 6 (1/4 ball hit), the contact point is at 3.
In my opinion the half tip pivot should not be defined as "movement" after one is down because one is not down on the shot until one is ready to shoot. To me movement is what happens when the player does anything to alter the vector from sending the cue ball straight down the line with a center ball hit.
All the physical action before that is part of the aiming process. And in that sense the cte manual pivot method produces exactly one move after the bridge hand hits the table, a pivot to center ball and the player is then in shooting position.
Any sort of fidgeting while down while down is less desirable in my opinion. If a method or teacher recommends such extra bridge hand movement while down then I would need to know why and take it to the table to test the method and figure out exactly what sort of physical moves are happening and whether I could get the same results without them.
The half tip pivot in manual CTE and the half ball pivot in 90/90 are clear moves that are part of the process and the efficacy of the results is highly satisfactory to me.
So personally for me, at least on paper at this point, any method that has me guessing at the aim after the initial perception choice is a backwards step in aiming.
I prefer the objectivity of choosing a perception, executing the correct visual sweep, landing my bridge with the tip pointed at a half tip offset, pivoting to center and being then in shooting position with no hesitation about the shot line I am on.
Following defined steps that allow me to use my eyes to align my body to objective references and end up on the shot line is very liberating. For me it really makes me bear down on the stroke delivery because I am not unsure of the aim and can divert my focus to the correct amount of speed and a straight delivery through the cueball.
While I agree that any objective reference use is better than none I have tried to aim in a similar fashion of starting with clear fractional overlaps and my body in a fractional hit position where I then choose by estimation/guessing how much thinner/thicker to adjust to and found it to be uncomfortable and far more mental effort with the result being that I was down on the shot with far less confidence that the shot line was correct.
I have also done the fidget after down method and personally find it to be quite uncomfortable and disconcerting.
So to answer your question, for me cte and 90/90 use clear, directed moves that greatly reduce the amount of mental effort and the amount of physical effort needed to go from standing analysis to shooting position in comparison to less formal "guessing" methods.
I personally think that this is why some users report that it feels like magic. I think the reduction in uncertainty frees the mind in very positive ways. Being more accurate with less effort when playing likely releases dopamine which causes feelings euphoria and reward.
On the contrary guessing in the form of a little of this a little of that leads to anxiety and trepidation in the execution in my opinion.
Watching the current us open one can see how being uncertain in the aim translates into mistakes in the execution for the nervous amateurs facing the seasoned pros. Pros on the other hand rarely waver in their stroke because, I believe, they are fully confident in their aim.
And info you haven’t bothered to learn from
So by trolled you mean Shane deliberately lied to all of his fans about how he aims?
You and Shane are pals and he admitted this to you and you both laughed together? Can you explain how you came across this information?
Do you also think any player has ever lied about using ghost ball?
So far I have seen you essentially call Tyler a liar and now you seem to be calling Shane a liar. In both cases these professional players in professional interviews have clearly stated how they aim and you are saying that both are not telling the truth.
Without evidence this is defamatory. Do you have evidence?
I’d have to disagree with that. He definitely sweeps the cue in from the side.
Did Hal call all pro players liars when he said they don't look at ghost balls or contact points ?
Did Rodney lie when he taught ghost ball aiming system instead of overlap ?
We can play this game like you play.
Using a solid method of aiming even on "simple" shots develops an excellent and consistent pre-shot routine. The aiming, using a good solid objective method, is done in a matter of seconds with full confidence.
Willie Mosconi allegedly said to a fan asking for advice, "don't miss". You ask why would someone "need" an aiming system on a simple shot?
Because Willie Mosconi also said in response to a question of what do pros know that amateurs don't, "pros know that there are no easy shots."
Never seen a human being pull his cue from the center of his body .