Since when has a house Cue called a full splice custom build?

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I see it more and more. It isn't. The build is a conversion Cue. If the returns are full and come to a point and not seperated by a line going across the inside of the proings base in other words a V at the bottom of the return it is a house cue conversion.
Many builders send thier wood to have these custom house cue's butts built. But really they are not anything but a conversion from a house cue's butt.
I know house cue doesn't sell like full splice but that is what it is. Titlist are full splice. House Cues? Yup. But calling a house Cue that isn't built like that full splice is like lipstick on a pig. It is still a pig.
Nick :)
 
Full splice is full splice a house cue in most cases is a full splice
It does not have to be one with veneers either most titilist cues that were converted are in fact house cues


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Full splice is a construction method.

Doesn't matter whether it's cut in half and sold retail or left one piece and sold wholesale.

The fact is that the half or short splice which is by far the most common method of installing points in a "Custom" cue is considerably easier to do well than a full splice most commonly found in a house cue.
 
Same as Balabushka?

nick serdula said:
I see it more and more. It isn't. The build is a conversion Cue. If the returns are full and come to a point and not seperated by a line going across the inside of the proings base in other words a V at the bottom of the return it is a house cue conversion.
Many builders send thier wood to have these custom house cue's butts built. But really they are not anything but a conversion from a house cue's butt.
I know house cue doesn't sell like full splice but that is what it is. Titlist are full splice. House Cues? Yup. But calling a house Cue that isn't built like that full splice is like lipstick on a pig. It is still a pig.
Nick :)
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I believe that most of George Balabushka's cues (and many cue makers from that era), were built the same way. Correct me, if I'm wrong. These cues have been de-constructed and then re-constructed into a custom cue. Basically, taking the full-splice, one-piece cue and dismantling it into parts to rebuild. The same way that a cue-maker would take a full-splice blanks to build a custom cue. That is my understanding. But, if I'm wrong, please correct me.
 
SouthernDraw said:
I believe that most of George Balabushka's cues (and many cue makers from that era), were built the same way. Correct me, if I'm wrong. These cues have been de-constructed and then re-constructed into a custom cue. Basically, taking the full-splice, one-piece cue and dismantling it into parts to rebuild. The same way that a cue-maker would take a full-splice blanks to build a custom cue. That is my understanding. But, if I'm wrong, please correct me.
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ya just like all those custom scruggs pete's
 
So if a cue is made in the full splice method, but then cut to replace the handle with maple for weight reasons, etc., is still a full splice?
 
William said:
So if a cue is made in the full splice method, but then cut to replace the handle with maple for weight reasons, etc., is still a full splice?
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yes the splice is the points into the forearm instead of inlaid or veneer points


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This would be a full splice custom .





This is also a full spice

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Points , handle and butt plate all same pc. of wood , no cuts of any kind .

This Titlist was a full splice , but was cut and a pce was added to lengthen the cue . I do not consider this a full splice any longer , as it was cut . This would be a convertion , maybe a custom convertion .

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House Cues

Tim never called them Custom Full splice anything. They were house cues.
Even the second Custom built house Cue. Not a sneakie at all. It is a Catz house Cue with nice rings and buttcap.












The Titlist and butterflys were full spliced and house cues. Here are a couple Full spliced Custom builds.
Nick :)
 

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It amazes me at the amount of money people will pay for a fancied up house cue.
 
nick serdula said:
I see it more and more. It isn't. The build is a conversion Cue. If the returns are full and come to a point and not seperated by a line going across the inside of the proings base in other words a V at the bottom of the return it is a house cue conversion.
Many builders send thier wood to have these custom house cue's butts built. But really they are not anything but a conversion from a house cue's butt.
I know house cue doesn't sell like full splice but that is what it is. Titlist are full splice. House Cues? Yup. But calling a house Cue that isn't built like that full splice is like lipstick on a pig. It is still a pig.
Nick :)
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Nick,
I normally agree with most of your posts as you contribute some good things. But I do not agree with you on this one.
I have built many full splice custom cues from scratch in my own shop that do not come to sharp points on the bottom of the points. They are full spliced and they are custom. It may not be a style you like, but it is not a house cue and when I am dressing them up I am not putting lipstick on a pig. I am putting inlays into a full splice custom cue.
Now I have also spliced up wood for others like you mentioned. And it is not a house cue they got back from me. It was a full splice blank. Did they do all the work to splice it like I did? No! Is what they are building a converson cue? No! A conversion cue is just that. A completed cue that was later converted into something different. A point blank is a forearm or complete butt someone can build or buy. I have sold a lot of blanks that I did not build myself that had sharp points at the bottom of the points with veneers. The same principal applies it is not a conversion cue. On the other hand the cues built out of Titlist bar cues with sharp points going both ways and veneers are conversion cues. The difference is that it was a full cue that was converted and not a custom blank someone built or bought and built a cue out of it. The shape of the bottom of the points has nothing to do with whether it is a conversion cue or a custom cue. Also the shape of the bottom of the points has nothing to do with whether it is a full splice or not.
 
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nick serdula said:
I see it more and more. It isn't. The build is a conversion Cue. If the returns are full and come to a point and not seperated by a line going across the inside of the proings base in other words a V at the bottom of the return it is a house cue conversion.
Many builders send thier wood to have these custom house cue's butts built. But really they are not anything but a conversion from a house cue's butt.
I know house cue doesn't sell like full splice but that is what it is. Titlist are full splice. House Cues? Yup. But calling a house Cue that isn't built like that full splice is like lipstick on a pig. It is still a pig.
Nick :)
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Please... keep posting! It's moronic "expertise" like this that makes you such a laughable character! Thanks for the laugh. :D
 
Great post

cueman said:
Nick,
I normally agree with most of your posts as you contribute some good things. But I do not agree with you on this one.
I have built many full splice custom cues from scratch in my own shop that do not come to sharp points on the bottom of the points. They are full spliced and they are custom. It may not be a style you like, but it is not a house cue and when I am dressing them up I am not putting lipstick on a pig. I am putting inlays into a full splice custom cue.
Now I have also spliced up wood for others like you mentioned. And it is not a house cue they got back from me. It was a full splice blank. Did they do all the work to splice it like I did? No! Is what they are building a converson cue? No! A conversion cue is just that. A completed cue that was later converted into something different. A point blank is a forearm or complete butt someone can build or buy. I have sold a lot of blanks that I did not build myself that had sharp points at the bottom of the points with veneers. The same principal applies it is not a conversion cue. On the other hand the cues built out of Titlist bar cues with sharp points going both ways and veneers are conversion cues. The difference is that it was a full cue that was converted and not a custom blank someone built or bought and built a cue out of it. The shape of the bottom of the points has nothing to do with whether it is a conversion cue or a custom cue.
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Chris, thank you for posting this. You are right on the money, as usual.
 
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I agree 100% with Chris,

The terminology gets pretty tricky when re-sellers, collectors , and plain owners start making their own versions according to economics. Cuemakers for the most part know exactly what they're building without a question at any given time but also quietly fall into the new titles in order to comunicate with the masses. A tribute to mis-information. MY two cents

Mario
 
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