Single Layered Tip vs Multi Layered

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Houstoer

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Question.... I just recently picked up a pretty cheap cue and it has some sort of single layered tip on it. I was amazed on how much english I could apply when I wanted to the cue ball. Seems like it has more feeling also... I've always played with multi layered tips so I'm thinking about trying one on one of my shafts. I'm thinking about trying one of those Ki-tech tips from outsville since he has some real good reviews on his tips. My question is for people who have played with both what do you think the differences between a single layered tip and multi layered is? which do you prefer and why? I normally play with a medium hardness. Thanks for the input.
 
Think of a single block of wood versus plywood. The manufacturing process for creating multi-layered tip will have less tip to tip variation than a 1 piece tip. If you play with more than one cue, or have multiple shafts it will take you less time to adjust as the tips are uniform. If you only have one cue and 1 shaft, then 1 piece tip is perfectly fine.
 
I prefer a multi layered tip. Bad experiences with singles. Some of the things I experienced where
Surface glazing (glazed over and had to constantly scuff or *****). I didn't have a huge mushrooming problem but did have the tips flatten out somewhat (had to reshape). And had inconsistencies from one tip to another....even from the same box. The layered tip in finally made it to has none of those problems. Not going to eay I have used every single layer tip out there, and I'm sure if I kept looking, I would find one that I liked. But with the layered tip, I can go for a year or more without replacing....and without reshaping!
All I do is burnish the sides witb an ultimate tip tool. Thats it. No scuffing. No fuss.
 
Triangle tips come to mind when I think of a non layered tip that plays well with zero mushrooming. I have them on some of my playing shafts as well as layered tips. I like to experiment with new and old stuff..
 
buckshotshoey said:
I prefer a multi layered tip. Bad experiences with singles. Some of the things I experienced where
Surface glazing (glazed over and had to constantly scuff or *****).
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Seriously??? I didn't use a derogatory word here. What the hell! Whoops. I did that time.
 
Maybe you had to pick it instead of p r I c k it?

Single layered tips are good, multi layered tips are overpriced. You get more spin from knowing how to stroke the ball. You miscue because you stroked it wrong.


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jgobigred said:
Maybe you had to pick it instead of p r I c k it?

Single layered tips are good, multi layered tips are overpriced. You get more spin from knowing how to stroke the ball. You miscue because you stroked it wrong.


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That's probably it.
 
Have played with several tips...single layer is where I stay....multi layered can delaminate, it is also a preference, if you put tips on and the player does not know what kind...get their opinion then, you will be surprised real s u r p r i s e d...get a true hard milk dud and never look back
 
Love triangles and the lepros that come stock on most cues. Absolutely hate kumai ss and medium tips. Not worth the money.

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The thinner the tip the better for me. That's why I even cut down my triangles before installing them. To me, you get more feel and feedback from the cue. Johnnyt
 
ctyhntr said:
Think of a single block of wood versus plywood. The manufacturing process for creating multi-layered tip will have less tip to tip variation than a 1 piece tip. If you play with more than one cue, or have multiple shafts it will take you less time to adjust as the tips are uniform. If you only have one cue and 1 shaft, then 1 piece tip is perfectly fine.
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I found your reply interesting. I certainly can't say I disagree with it because I have no foundation to do so, however, my thoughts would be just the opposite. A single piece of wood or leather comes from the same "single" place. Multiple layers can come from different pieces of material. Different pieces of material ( to me) equate to more opportunity for different feels.

Anyway, I've always been a Triangle user, mostly because, I can't stand paying big bucks for something I think isn't worth anywhere near what they charge for layered tips.

I did try a Tiger Emerald layered tip and I like it very much and they sell for around 5 bucks.

I wondered if the showing layers over the face of the tip might offer a bit of extra grip in some way, not unlike the treads of a tire as the friction of the hit runs across the layers. The only advantage I can think of with a layered tip. Again, no idea if this may be true, but it was a thought.

The one thing I like about the Tiger Emerald tip besides reasonable price is they shape so nicely.
 
Tiger dynamite is a good layered tip too! About $3 a tip I believe.


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Johnnyt said:
The thinner the tip the better for me. That's why I even cut down my triangles before installing them. To me, you get more feel and feedback from the cue. Johnnyt
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I feel the same way. Plus, the tip installion has as much, or more, to do with mushrooming and general playability. It's not fair to say Brand X was no good when it was put on wrong. One example is not burnishing the sides sufficiently.
 
Yeppers...

Mitchxout said:
I feel the same way. Plus, the tip installion has as much, or more, to do with mushrooming and general playability. It's not fair to say Brand X was no good when it was put on wrong. One example is not burnishing the sides sufficiently.
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^-----------THIS!!!!! Many faults with tips is poor installation....

Jaden
 
Higher quality in layered vs non-layered is actually a myth... The issue is that most non-layered tips are not put thru much in the way of quality control... A non-layered tip with proper quality control is far more likely to be more consistent tip to tip than the layered counterparts because you do not have to deal with the layers of glue between the layers of leather and delamination is not an issue....

A properly engineered single layered tip also offers you the advantage of not changing hardness grades and therefore playing characteristics nearly as quickly as the layered tips are prone to do... As far as I know Outsville offers the only single layered tips I an make both of these claims for...

With the help of a lot of Azers and others around the country providing feedback over the last 2 years I think our processes and formulas make it possible for me to throw them in the ring against any layered tip offered currently.... We have listened as we have moved forward.. We have tested and retested and reformulated...

Tip choice will always be somewhat subjective... But here is the thing... I can alter almost anything about our tips thru process changes.. Not from pressing them hard or softer.... A layered will never be able to accomplish the same thing simply because of the nature of the beast.....

Kamui Black is the most advanced layered tip on the market and lots of tip "sellers"/companies are paying the Taiwanese to give them their take on what Kamui is... They aren't even close so far so be very careful in trying the "next" layered tip without knowing if the company is a manufacturer and can do their own QC or if they are simply having a name slapped on something and hoping QC is done.......

Chris
 
I have an opinion but I will reserve it until later, for now subscribing to follow the conversation.
 
If you pay $40 for a tip and use $35 for chalk, you have to shoot better than with a 50 cent tip and 10 cent piece of chalk...right? :rolleyes: JT
 
single layers... pressed triangle or a milk dud
layered... UltraSkin or a Tiger Emerald

the most expensive tip here is $4, and they will ALL play extremely well, and hold shape, and give more spin than your stroke will allow

it boils down to personal preference in the feel that you are looking for
btw- UltraSkin come in ANY hardness/softness that any player could ever ask for
 
nineballsafety8 said:
single layers... pressed triangle or a milk dud
layered... UltraSkin or a Tiger Emerald

the most expensive tip here is $4, and they will ALL play extremely well, and hold shape, and give more spin than your stroke will allow

it boils down to personal preference in the feel that you are looking for
btw- UltraSkin come in ANY hardness/softness that any player could ever ask for
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The tiger emerald is the worst tip I ever hit with
 
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