SJD meets the 'Rain Man'..:thumbup:

Yes Mr. Wil-ey, Caroms were indeed my favorite shot, in fact, I don't remember ever missing one !..I would be glad to share this skill with you but, much like off-angle combinations, (which I also never missed) it is a God-given talent few possess !

As you know, I abhor practicing so I don't have any drill bits to offer you...In fact, I don't even own a drill !..My advice is to just keep working on them, until you get the hang of it...Shouldn't take more than 2-3 weeks ! :o :wink:

SJD

If it will help, I can offer you some tips on how I trained my parakeet to smoke ! :grin:

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Is that a green cheek conure? I see he likes the green bud. Watch out he don't get too high or he may shit in your Yukon Jack. :cool:

My wife's maroon-bellied conure just died last June at 17 years old. I got her a new crimson-bellied last month. He's a really cool bird. She wanted to name him after a famous pool player. I suggested "Earl", but she wanted a name with two syllables. I said, "How about "CJ"? She said, "Never heard of him" :grin:
 
IT HAPPENED IN PITTSBURGH in 1986, back when The Color of Money, hit the theaters

Is that a green cheek conure? I see he likes the green bud. Watch out he don't get too high or he may shit in your Yukon Jack. :cool:

My wife's maroon-bellied conure just died last June at 17 years old. I got her a new crimson-bellied last month. He's a really cool bird. She wanted to name him after a famous pool player. I suggested "Earl", but she wanted a name with two syllables. I said, "How about "CJ"? She said, "Never heard of him" :grin:

Maybe she though you said "See Jay" ;) Here's something she can read so she knows the difference. :dance:



Life of Wiley - Dallas Life Magazine


He hustled pool for a while and made a living, then turned pro and made a killing. Clearly, Dallas’ CJ Wiley is on the ball.
By Michael P. Geffner


IT HAPPENED IN PITTSBURGH in 1986, back when The Color of Money, a movie about a young pool shark, had hit theaters and Carson “CJ” Wiley was himself hustling pool on the road—back when, on a moment’s notice, he would drive hundreds of miles to some backwoods dive on a trip that someone with wads of cash gambled big-time there.

On that particular night, Wiley wore fake glasses and assumed one of three aliases, Mike from Indiana. His mark was the owner of a restaurant, a bearded man with receding jet-black hair who led him up a dark staircase to a private pool table on the second floor.

“And the guy is smiling this real goofy smile,” Wiley recalls today, chuckling hard before dragging deeply on a Marlboro Light.

“’It’s just like in the movie,’ he says. ‘You saw the movie right?’

And I nod my head but don’t really say anything. Then he says,

‘Oh, boy, I love action. I love playing pool for money. I even love betting on other players. You saw the movie right?’

And I nod again. And we begin playing some nine ball, and I find out right away that this guy can’t play at all. I mean, not a lick. So after I’m done beating him for a few hundred, he has me play nearly everybody in the building.

I end up beating his bartender, his cook, his dishwasher, five locals, and finally, the best player in town—and he staked every one of them. By the time he quit, I had him stuck for about seven thousand dollars. And he says to me, not smiling anymore,

‘You know kid, you played a lot better at the end than you did at the beginning.’ And I look him square in the eyes and say, ‘Well, you saw the movie, right?’”

Now semi retired and detached from his hustling days, Wiley lives in the Lake Highlands neighborhood of Dallas. Almost from the moment he turned pro, he has been the highest-ranked pool player in Texas as well as one of the ten best players in the world.

He’ll demonstrate that on January 31, when—in an extremely rare live telecast of pool—ESPN will air the finals of its Ultimate 9-Ball challenge, the sport’s biggest annual nine ball event; he hopes to win the three-way competition for the second straight year, outgunning fellow hotshots Roger Griffis and Johnny Archer.

“The funny thing is, I've never really considered myself a pool player,” he quietly confides to me as he sits in a hotel lounge during a weekend trip to New York.

“It has always been just a game I played. I played it mostly as a way to make money and to express myself. But lately I've come to the conclusion that I don’t exactly know yet, but I definitely feel like I’m being driven by a higher power.”
 
Maybe she though you said "See Jay" ;) Here's something she can read so she knows the difference. :dance:



Life of Wiley - Dallas Life Magazine


He hustled pool for a while and made a living, then turned pro and made a killing. Clearly, Dallas’ CJ Wiley is on the ball.
By Michael P. Geffner


IT HAPPENED IN PITTSBURGH in 1986, back when The Color of Money, a movie about a young pool shark, had hit theaters and Carson “CJ” Wiley was himself hustling pool on the road—back when, on a moment’s notice, he would drive hundreds of miles to some backwoods dive on a trip that someone with wads of cash gambled big-time there.

On that particular night, Wiley wore fake glasses and assumed one of three aliases, Mike from Indiana. His mark was the owner of a restaurant, a bearded man with receding jet-black hair who led him up a dark staircase to a private pool table on the second floor.

“And the guy is smiling this real goofy smile,” Wiley recalls today, chuckling hard before dragging deeply on a Marlboro Light.

“’It’s just like in the movie,’ he says. ‘You saw the movie right?’

And I nod my head but don’t really say anything. Then he says,

‘Oh, boy, I love action. I love playing pool for money. I even love betting on other players. You saw the movie right?’

And I nod again. And we begin playing some nine ball, and I find out right away that this guy can’t play at all. I mean, not a lick. So after I’m done beating him for a few hundred, he has me play nearly everybody in the building.

I end up beating his bartender, his cook, his dishwasher, five locals, and finally, the best player in town—and he staked every one of them. By the time he quit, I had him stuck for about seven thousand dollars. And he says to me, not smiling anymore,

‘You know kid, you played a lot better at the end than you did at the beginning.’ And I look him square in the eyes and say, ‘Well, you saw the movie, right?’”

Now semi retired and detached from his hustling days, Wiley lives in the Lake Highlands neighborhood of Dallas. Almost from the moment he turned pro, he has been the highest-ranked pool player in Texas as well as one of the ten best players in the world.

He’ll demonstrate that on January 31, when—in an extremely rare live telecast of pool—ESPN will air the finals of its Ultimate 9-Ball challenge, the sport’s biggest annual nine ball event; he hopes to win the three-way competition for the second straight year, outgunning fellow hotshots Roger Griffis and Johnny Archer.

“The funny thing is, I've never really considered myself a pool player,” he quietly confides to me as he sits in a hotel lounge during a weekend trip to New York.

“It has always been just a game I played. I played it mostly as a way to make money and to express myself. But lately I've come to the conclusion that I don’t exactly know yet, but I definitely feel like I’m being driven by a higher power.”

Reminds me of Ryan Newman talking to Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy pauses and says.... I'm sorry I didn't hear you.... My trophy was in the way :grin-square:
 
Maybe she though you said "See Jay" ;) Here's something she can read so she knows the difference. :dance:

Life of Wiley - Dallas Life Magazine

Etc, etc, etc...yada, yada, yada !

Mr.Wil-ey, Sir,

That was a fascinating story the first time you posted it !..After the 12th or 13th time, it became a little stale..! :( Could you
maybe PLEASE come up with some new stories, regarding your meteoric rise to fame in the pool world !.. Some people may think you are [sic] "bragging" ! :cool:

Here, this may help......
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You REALLY need to read this book ! :sorry:
 
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Now that is funny. Now that is a story I haven't heard before. That bird can smoke with the best of them. As far as the pool story. Heard it and seen it. Haven't u seen the movie?
 
Maybe she though you said "See Jay" ;) Here's something she can read so she knows the difference.


I showed her that article, but she still doesn't believe you exist. Something about "nobody could be that incredibly awesome in real life." :bow-down::bow-down::bow-down:


CJ Wiley said:
But lately I've come to the conclusion that I don’t exactly know yet, but I definitely feel like I’m being driven by a higher power.


This part she said was a blatant ripoff from a much better story:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKZSqd5Y8nA


Oh, well, at least I tried for ya.:grin-angelic:
 


Here, this may help......

You REALLY need to read this book ! :sorry:

C'mon, don't you know? CJ not only blows his own horn, he actually tries to sell them to us with the promise that we can blow our own just like him if we follow his teachings. What a salesman! Here's a clip of him before he took up pool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUI7K6w_iWw

Now, I have to ask you....

Would you buy a used trombone from this man? :rolleyes:
 

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"nobody could be that incredibly awesome

I showed her that article, but she still doesn't believe you exist. Something about "nobody could be that incredibly awesome in real life.

Wow, that's amazing, she guessed my secret "road name". ;)

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I tried out Hoppe's system and it works like a charm..Those guys (in Hoppe's day) would run hundreds playing Balkline Billiards, that's pretty strong. Efren's a good carom player and is the world's best "One Rail" Billiards player, I figure that's why he plays One Pocket the way he does, there's a lot of similarity.

Yes, the similarity is uncanny !..Why, its almost like playing 'two shot foul' 9 ball, (Caroms) and NASA launching a rocket to Mars. (One Pocket).................They are ALMOST identical !...:confused: :confused: :confused:

PS...But then, that tells me you must also see these two lovely ladies, as 'IDENTICAL TWINS' ! :eek:

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anything you choose to share would be greatly appreciated

Yes, the similarity is uncanny !..Why, its almost like playing 'two shot foul' 9 ball, (Caroms) and NASA launching a rocket to Mars. (One Pocket).................They are ALMOST identical !...:confused: :confused: :confused:

PS...But then, that tells me you must also see these two lovely ladies, as 'IDENTICAL TWINS' ! :eek:

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Did I say "caroms"???....Efren plays "One Rail Billiards" better than anyone. I also pointed out that it reflects how he plays one pocket, not that they are identical games. I'm speaking in terms of STYLE......and Efren does have a unique one pocket style. imo

How about helping out all us "low level humans" and tell us something about one pocket that we don't already know? What is one thing you know that we need to know to play better?

Do you share or are you "one of those players" that keeps your cards close to your chest? I don't think there's any chance of someone beating you with the information, my understanding is you haven't played competitively in over 10 years.

Teach us something, we're eager to learn from yourself.....anything you choose to share would be greatly appreciated. :D
 
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Did I say "caroms"???....Efren plays "One Rail Billiards" better than anyone. I also pointed out that it reflects how he plays one pocket, not that they are identical games. I'm speaking in terms of STYLE......and Efren does have a unique one pocket style. imo ...

I'm not sure what game you mean by "One Rail Billiards." Efren's favorite game is Balkline billiards, but he is not the world's best at it nor does he consider it his best game. Efren played an exhibition of 71.2 Balkline last year against Ceulemans in New York, and it was streamed. Here's a post from the past that may be helpful for you:

Hi guys, I've read several posts about Efren and Balkline in this and other threads, and I keep seeing an important distinction missed in all of the arguments...err, discussions :) That distinction is between a person's 'favorite' game and their 'best' game.

Just because you enjoy a particular game the most doesn't mean you're the best at it, and vice versa. In fact, I think there's a good argument to be made that a person is more likely to enjoy a game that they're not the best at, because it presents more of a challenge to their abilities and creativity with greater room for improvement.

My inspiration for the Ceulemans-Reyes Balkline exhibition idea came from this 2008 IPT interview with Efren that I posted about a few years ago. In it, Efren makes a pretty clear distinction between Balkline being his favorite game vs Rotation and One Pocket (after 1 year) being his better games "as a player". I've never heard Efren claim Balkline was his best game, and the interview suggests he's careful not to.

Robert

p.s. That interview was simply a great find for English-speaking Efren fans, in general. Although I've seen several extended Filipino interviews online with Efren, the usual English Efren interviews consist mainly of "I'll try my best" (before matches) and "I got lucky" (after winning them). After hearing Efren get lucky for 20+ years, it was nice to hear something more in depth in a language I could understand :)
 
Efren is the world's best "One Cushion" Billiards Player.

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I'm not sure what game you mean by "One Rail Billiards." Efren's favorite game is Balkline billiards, but he is not the world's best at it. Efren played an exhibition of 71.2 Balkline last year against Ceulemans in New York, and it was streamed. Here's a post from the past that may be helpful for you:

"One Rail (Cushion)" is like "Three Cushion," and you just have to contact One Rail, rather than Three to score.

Efren is the world's best "One Cushion" Billiards Player.

I've always suspected that's why he plays One Pocket they way he does (style wise).

Efren's high run in "One Cushion" is over 280 from what he told me....his average is 28.

Put that in your "billiards pipe" and smoke it. ;)


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"One Rail (Cushion)" is like "Three Cushion," and you just have to contact One Rail, rather than Three to score.

Efren is the world's best "One Cushion" Billiards Player.

I've always suspected that's why he plays One Pocket they way he does (style wise).

Efren's high run in "One Cushion" is over 280 from what he told me....his average is 28.

Put that in your "billiards pipe" and smoke it. ;)

Your "One Cushion" sounds like "Cushion Caroms." But that isn't the game I have heard Efren discuss. Did you read Raiford's post and watch Efren's interview?
 
"One Rail (Cushion)" is like "Three Cushion," and you just have to contact One Rail, rather than Three to score.

Efren is the world's best "One Cushion" Billiards Player.

I've always suspected that's why he plays One Pocket they way he does (style wise).

Efren's high run in "One Cushion" is over 280 from what he told me....his average is 28.

Put that in your "billiards pipe" and smoke it. ;)


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Efren robbed Sang Lee in Chicago playing one and two cushion billiards. He would have had zero chance playing Sang Lee 3 cushion. Efrens long suit was as you said, one cushion.

Beard
 
You are exactly right, Beard.

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Efren robbed Sang Lee in Chicago playing one and two cushion billiards. He would have had zero chance playing Sang Lee 3 cushion. Efrens long suit was as you said, one cushion.

Beard

You are exactly right, Beard.....I was going to tell that story about how Efren was "stalling" on Sang Lee......it was funny to hear Efren tell it, and amazing that he could just "play around" with a billiard players of Sang Lee's caliber.....at any billiard game.
 
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You do have a small point when you say the one rail cushion and one pocket games use something similar. It is called cue ball control. If you want to be the best at one pocket you better get your cue ball in the right spot. That is more important than making the shot.
 
I'm sure he had "one of those weird feelings," and opted to dodge the bullet

Your "One Cushion" sounds like "Cushion Caroms." But that isn't the game I have heard Efren discuss. Did you read Raiford's post and watch Efren's interview?

I received my information from Efren directly.

We talked about what his "secret" was in One Pocket, and he told me about his "One Rail Billiards" (that's what he called it) expertise and playing Sang Lee.

He said "Sang Lee and I were gambling playing One Rail Billiards. Sang Lee would run 12, I'd run 14.....Sang Lee would run 14, I'd run 15....Sang Lee would run 13, I'd run 14".

....then Efren smiled with a twinkle in his eye and said "I average 28 and my high run is over 280".......They were supposed to play the next day.......Sang Lee never showed up.......I'm sure he had "one of those weird feelings," and opted to dodge the bullet. ;)

My conclusion was that Efren believes he plays One Pocket at such a high level because of his billiards because the conversation was about One Pocket.....not "One Rail Billiards"......he was making an advanced point about the nature of the Game and I believe he did it well. 'The Game is the Teacher'
 
You do have a small point when you say the one rail cushion and one pocket games use something similar. It is called cue ball control. If you want to be the best at one pocket you better get your cue ball in the right spot. That is more important than making the shot.

i'm pretty sure i see some semblance of "nipple" there....

;)
 
freddy the beard and CJ: Somehow you guys are getting the wrong name attached to posts you quote (see #52, #54, and #55). I'd appreciate your editing your posts to show the correct person you quoted.
 
SJD AS GERITOL MAN - coming to a city near you

Dick, I have enjoyed reading you for over four years, you are one 'sic' puppy. Going into year five your sic wit was too overwhelming and they had to put you on the bench. 'No chance' Dicks not a bench player.:wink:

Bill Incardona

Did he get benched from "the other forum"? I wondered why he strayed over here in unfamiliar territory.

If you give me his address I'll send him something to help him feel strong fast. ;)

SJD IS GERITOL MAN - coming soon to a city near you :D

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