SJM at 2025 Mosconi Cup: Way too Late Thoughts

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Obviously, I am incredibly late to the party, but I stayed in London for many days after the Mosconi and have finally arrived home. For me, it is now time to reflect.

Perhaps the Mosconi Cup buzz is gone by now and many will not care what I have to say. I have not read any of the Mosconi threads, so I risk repeating what others have said. As I am sure it has been covered at length already, I will not reflect on the specifics of the play, choosing to focus on the event itself, the fan experience, and the state of the Mosconi Cup as an event.

The Result
It was hard to imagine anything but a rout, as Team USA, inexplicably, showed up with the same team that bombed in 2024, despite the frequent, sometimes profane, sharking of Team Europe’s players a year ago that gave Team USA an unsurpassed, and unfair, home court advantage. Going in, I felt 11-6 would be respectable but I feared worse.

Nobody is a bigger fan of Fargo than me, but Fargo offers little, if any, guidance when the same five players that have already been mauled on home soil try their hand on foreign soil. Fargo also fails to account for who is in form. For example, Moritz Neuhausen is playing as well as anyone in the world not named Yapp. In the last three months alone, he medaled at three elite events, winning the Peri Open, getting silver at the Hanoi Open, and getting bronze at the Qatar 10ball. He came in on fire and, unless his Fargo was taken at face value, nobody should have been too surprised that he was Mosconi MVP.

On balance, Team Europe was stronger than a year ago, with Filler back in the mix displaying his top form and two very capable rookies in Labutis and Neuhausen. Add these three to the always dependable veterans Shaw and Alcaide, and Team Europe was formidable.

Perhaps 11-3 overstates the extent of this massacre, but even if a few less mistakes had been made by Team USA, the eye test said that Team USA was way below Team Europe in pedigree. Europe won eighteen more racks than Team USA, which left little doubt about the size of the gap. Put another way, Europe won over 58% of the racks played. Put a third way, even with a game on the wire in every match, Team USA would have still lost this Mosconi by 8-6. No contest!

Europe is Building for the Future, America is Not
For me, personally, the most unpleasant takeaway from this year’s Mosconi is that Europe built for the future with two twenty-something rookies getting their first taste of the Mosconi Cup. Europe is laying the foundation for future Mosconi Cup success while America is not. Hence, the future for Team USA looks at least as bleak as the present.

Let us not be delusional. Europe might well have won if they had fielded the under-25 team of Moritz Neuhausen, Kledio Kaci, Mickey Krause, Jonas Souto, and Szymon Kural, each of them Fargo 792 or better and each Top 100 in the world based on Fargo. Europe continues to develop many great young players, while America produces few.

The Fan Experience
As always, the fan experience was great. Nobody sets up an arena as well as Matchroom! The vibe at the event was electric and the camaraderie among the attending fans was patently obvious. The music was great, which is a given at the Mosconi.

For those that had VIP tickets, the dinner buffet was very nice and the room in which it took place was impressive. Alexandra Palace is a great arena, but getting there and getting home from there is not so easy. Still, Matchroom calls the Mosconi Cup “the biggest party in pool” and that is exactly what it is.

As usual, Emily Frazer was a most welcoming hostess, making a sincere effort to mix with many of the attendees.

European Fans
They were enthusiastic and sometimes rowdy but, with rare exception, they kept it tasteful. They could have easily sought retribution in the wake of the pathetic behavior of American fans at the 2024 Mosconi, but did not. Whether the 2026 American fans in Orlando return to civility is to be determined, but it can no longer be suggested that the European fans are less respectful of the players than American fans. For now, the opposite is true.

Referees
I was very disappointed with the referees in 2024 as they often tolerated unruly, sometimes profane, fan behavior even while players were down over the shot. This year, they made sure to rein in any fans that got out of line while players were over the shot and it added greatly to the competitive integrity of the event. Let us add that few, if any, poor calls were made by the referees. Well done!

Overall
This Mosconi reinforced just how far apart the US and Europe are as cueists. If Team USA in 2026 is unchanged from the last two years, unless Team Europe brings its “C” game, another massacre is likely. I will not knock the Team USA players. They are true professionals who gave it their best and conducted themselves admirably and with good sportsmanship, but I am sure that even they realize how far behind Europe they have fallen.

How to Fix It
Team USA needs to go young sooner rather than later. Why not bring in one or more of Lukas Verner, Lazaro Martinez, Sam Henderson, Nathan Childress, Eric Roberts, and Payne McBride (I am probably forgetting someone) and develop our best young players to build for the future. In my opinion, they have all shown great promise.

If we steadfastly refuse to go young, perhaps it is time to expand participation to include all the Americas, including Canada, USA, Mexico, Central America, and South America, which could bring the likes of Alex Pagulayan, John Morra, Jesus Atencio and Gerson Martinez into play.

Summation
The Mosconi Cup remains a great, entertaining event, but something must be done to make it more competitive. This year’s formula of bringing back a Team USA that was manhandled in 2024 on home soil almost guaranteed failure. At the very least, we all deserve a new edition of Team USA.

I hope we, in America, will not be delusional about this result. What might have been is irrelevant. The result was not about poor preparation, poor coaching, or poor mental game. It was not about poor lagging or poor breaking. It was about substandard decision making and poor execution of the shots.

Remediation must take place in the practice room. Unless one believes that Europeans are more naturally gifted at pool than Americans, they cannot deny that European cueists are outworking American ones, and they have the results to prove it.

Well played, Europe, but for America, it is time to regroup.
 
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Obviously, I am incredibly late to the party, but I stayed in London for many days after the Mosconi and have finally arrived home. For me, it is now time to reflect.

Perhaps the Mosconi Cup buzz is gone by now and many will not care what I have to say. I have not read any of the Mosconi threads, so I risk repeating what others have said. As I am sure it has been covered at length already, I will not reflect on the specifics of the play, choosing to focus on the event itself, the fan experience, and the state of the Mosconi Cup as an event.

The Result
It was hard to imagine anything but a rout, as Team USA, inexplicably, showed up with the same team that bombed in 2024, despite the frequent, sometimes profane, sharking of Team Europe’s players a year ago that gave Team USA an unsurpassed, and unfair, home court advantage. Going in, I felt 11-6 would be respectable but I feared worse.

Nobody is a bigger fan of Fargo than me, but Fargo offers little, if any, guidance when the same five players that have already been mauled on home soil try their hand on foreign soil. Fargo also fails to account for who is in form. For example, Moritz Neuhausen is playing as well as anyone in the world not named Yapp. In the last three months alone, he medaled at three elite events, winning the Peri Open, getting silver at the Hanoi Open, and getting bronze at the Qatar 10ball. He came in on fire and, unless his Fargo was taken at face value, nobody should have been too surprised that he was Mosconi MVP.

On balance, Team Europe was stronger than a year ago, with Filler back in the mix displaying his top form and two very capable rookies in Labutis and Neuhausen. Add these three to the always dependable veterans Shaw and Alcaide, and Team Europe was formidable.

Perhaps 11-3 overstates the extent of this massacre, but even if a few less mistakes had been made by Team USA, the eye test said that Team USA was way below Team Europe in pedigree. Europe won eighteen more racks than Team USA, which left little doubt about the size of the gap. Put another way, Europe won over 58% of the racks played. Put a third way, even with a game on the wire in every match, Team USA would have still lost this Mosconi by 8-6. No contest!

Europe is Building for the Future, America is Not
For me, personally, the most unpleasant takeaway from this year’s Mosconi is that Europe built for the future with two twenty-something rookies getting their first taste of the Mosconi Cup. Europe is laying the foundation for future Mosconi Cup success while America is not. Hence, the future for Team USA looks at least as bleak as the present.

Let us not be delusional. Europe might well have won if they had fielded the under-25 team of Moritz Neuhausen, Kledio Kaci, Mickey Krause, Jonas Souto, and Szymon Kural, each of them Fargo 792 or better and each Top 100 in the world based on Fargo. Europe continues to develop many great young players, while America produces few.

The Fan Experience
As always, the fan experience was great. Nobody sets up an arena as well as Matchroom! The vibe at the event was electric and the camaraderie among the attending fans was patently obvious. The music was great, which is a given at the Mosconi.

For those that had VIP tickets, the dinner buffet was very nice and the room in which it took place was impressive. Alexandra Palace is a great arena, but getting there and getting home from there is not so easy. Still, Matchroom calls the Mosconi Cup “the biggest party in pool” and that is exactly what it is.

As usual, Emily Frazer was a most welcoming hostess, making a sincere effort to mix with many of the attendees.

European Fans
They were enthusiastic and sometimes rowdy but, with rare exception, they kept it tasteful. They could have easily sought retribution in the wake of the pathetic behavior of American fans at the 2024 Mosconi, but did not. Whether the 2026 American fans in Orlando return to civility is to be determined, but it can no longer be suggested that the European fans are less respectful of the players than American fans. For now, the opposite is true.

Referees
I was very disappointed with the referees in 2024 as they often tolerated unruly, even profane, fan behavior even while players were down over the shot. This year, they made sure to rein in any fans that got out of line while players were over the shot and it added greatly to the competitive integrity of the event. Let us add that few, if any, poor calls were made by the referees. Well done!

Overall
This Mosconi reinforced just how far apart the US and Europe are as cueists. If Team USA in 2026 is unchanged from the last two years, unless Team Europe brings its “C” game, another massacre is likely. I will not knock the Team USA players. They are true professionals who gave it their best and conducted themselves admirably and with good sportsmanship, but I am sure that even they realize how far behind Europe they have fallen.

How to Fix It
Team USA needs to go young sooner rather than later. Why not bring in one or more of Lukas Verner, Lazaro Martinez, Sam Henderson, Nathan Childress, Eric Roberts, and Payne McBride (I am probably forgetting someone) and develop our best young players to build for the future. In my opinion, they have all shown great promise.

If we steadfastly refuse to go young, perhaps it is time to expand participation to include all the Americas, including Canada, USA, Mexico, Central America, and South America, which could bring the likes of Alex Pagulayan, John Morra, Jesus Atencio and Gerson Martinez into play.

Summation
The Mosconi Cup remains a great, entertaining event, but something must be done to make it more competitive. This year’s formula of bringing back a Team USA that was manhandled in 2024 on home soil almost guaranteed failure. At the very least, we all deserve a new edition of Team USA.

I hope we, in America, will not be delusional about this result. What might have been is irrelevant. The result was not about poor preparation, poor coaching, or poor mental game. It was not about poor lagging or poor breaking. It was about substandard decision making and poor execution of the shots.

Remediation must take place in the practice room. Unless one believes that Europeans are more naturally gifted at pool than Americans, they cannot deny that European cueists are outworking American ones, and they have the results to prove it.

Well played, Europe, but for America, it is time to regroup.
Bravo. Well said on all points.
 
Agree on all points.

One counterpoint, however, is the job of the captain is to assemble the best team possible for “this” year. It would have to be a MR directive to have the captain pick young players “this year” to build a team for the future.
 
Agree on all points.

One counterpoint, however, is the job of the captain is to assemble the best team possible for “this” year. It would have to be a MR directive to have the captain pick young players “this year” to build a team for the future.
Yes, but when Johan Ruisjink became the coach of Team USA, he added untested 23-year-old Tyler Styer to the 2018 team. The result was that Tyler played well that year and helped Team USA break its losing streak. Tyler was, similarly, a member of the winning team in 2019. Johan did not see assembling the best team possible as the only objective. He went young and it worked.
 
As always Stu, great write up. I saw you on the broadcast a few times. See you next month at Derby!
Yup, look forward to seeing you again. I'll make sure to have you as my guest for at least one big match, but probably not the banks ring game.
 
On reflection, at the Reyes Cup, Team "Rest of the World" would have been much stronger had Filler and SVB been on the team. Both Filler and SVB showed solid form at the Mosconi. Add Gorst, Shaw and Neuhausen and you've got a team that could have given team Asia a run for its money.

The days of omitting superstars from Matchroom team events solely because they skip a couple of Matchroom majors must come to an end. Yes, a defined minimum level of participation at the Matchroom majors would be reasonable.
 
Stu thx for the weeks write up, couple great observations.
Starting to see you again AZ front page. :)
Standing :).
Help me with my perspective.
Team Coaches.
Busty.... when his at table players needed help, Busty was called/so to speak.
USA did not do the same>
USA.... The team players would jump in many Coached.
A great coach understands the Game better than all it's team members.
I'd prefer to see Nick Varner Coach 2026 and pick the team.
His knowledge is Efren like.
Plus it would be nice to see nick move Fast :))))))))))))))).
bm
 
Obviously, I am incredibly late to the party, but I stayed in London for many days after the Mosconi and have finally arrived home. For me, it is now time to reflect.

Perhaps the Mosconi Cup buzz is gone by now and many will not care what I have to say. I have not read any of the Mosconi threads, so I risk repeating what others have said. As I am sure it has been covered at length already, I will not reflect on the specifics of the play, choosing to focus on the event itself, the fan experience, and the state of the Mosconi Cup as an event.

The Result
It was hard to imagine anything but a rout, as Team USA, inexplicably, showed up with the same team that bombed in 2024, despite the frequent, sometimes profane, sharking of Team Europe’s players a year ago that gave Team USA an unsurpassed, and unfair, home court advantage. Going in, I felt 11-6 would be respectable but I feared worse.

Nobody is a bigger fan of Fargo than me, but Fargo offers little, if any, guidance when the same five players that have already been mauled on home soil try their hand on foreign soil. Fargo also fails to account for who is in form. For example, Moritz Neuhausen is playing as well as anyone in the world not named Yapp. In the last three months alone, he medaled at three elite events, winning the Peri Open, getting silver at the Hanoi Open, and getting bronze at the Qatar 10ball. He came in on fire and, unless his Fargo was taken at face value, nobody should have been too surprised that he was Mosconi MVP.

On balance, Team Europe was stronger than a year ago, with Filler back in the mix displaying his top form and two very capable rookies in Labutis and Neuhausen. Add these three to the always dependable veterans Shaw and Alcaide, and Team Europe was formidable.

Perhaps 11-3 overstates the extent of this massacre, but even if a few less mistakes had been made by Team USA, the eye test said that Team USA was way below Team Europe in pedigree. Europe won eighteen more racks than Team USA, which left little doubt about the size of the gap. Put another way, Europe won over 58% of the racks played. Put a third way, even with a game on the wire in every match, Team USA would have still lost this Mosconi by 8-6. No contest!

Europe is Building for the Future, America is Not
For me, personally, the most unpleasant takeaway from this year’s Mosconi is that Europe built for the future with two twenty-something rookies getting their first taste of the Mosconi Cup. Europe is laying the foundation for future Mosconi Cup success while America is not. Hence, the future for Team USA looks at least as bleak as the present.

Let us not be delusional. Europe might well have won if they had fielded the under-25 team of Moritz Neuhausen, Kledio Kaci, Mickey Krause, Jonas Souto, and Szymon Kural, each of them Fargo 792 or better and each Top 100 in the world based on Fargo. Europe continues to develop many great young players, while America produces few.

The Fan Experience
As always, the fan experience was great. Nobody sets up an arena as well as Matchroom! The vibe at the event was electric and the camaraderie among the attending fans was patently obvious. The music was great, which is a given at the Mosconi.

For those that had VIP tickets, the dinner buffet was very nice and the room in which it took place was impressive. Alexandra Palace is a great arena, but getting there and getting home from there is not so easy. Still, Matchroom calls the Mosconi Cup “the biggest party in pool” and that is exactly what it is.

As usual, Emily Frazer was a most welcoming hostess, making a sincere effort to mix with many of the attendees.

European Fans
They were enthusiastic and sometimes rowdy but, with rare exception, they kept it tasteful. They could have easily sought retribution in the wake of the pathetic behavior of American fans at the 2024 Mosconi, but did not. Whether the 2026 American fans in Orlando return to civility is to be determined, but it can no longer be suggested that the European fans are less respectful of the players than American fans. For now, the opposite is true.

Referees
I was very disappointed with the referees in 2024 as they often tolerated unruly, even profane, fan behavior even while players were down over the shot. This year, they made sure to rein in any fans that got out of line while players were over the shot and it added greatly to the competitive integrity of the event. Let us add that few, if any, poor calls were made by the referees. Well done!

Overall
This Mosconi reinforced just how far apart the US and Europe are as cueists. If Team USA in 2026 is unchanged from the last two years, unless Team Europe brings its “C” game, another massacre is likely. I will not knock the Team USA players. They are true professionals who gave it their best and conducted themselves admirably and with good sportsmanship, but I am sure that even they realize how far behind Europe they have fallen.

How to Fix It
Team USA needs to go young sooner rather than later. Why not bring in one or more of Lukas Verner, Lazaro Martinez, Sam Henderson, Nathan Childress, Eric Roberts, and Payne McBride (I am probably forgetting someone) and develop our best young players to build for the future. In my opinion, they have all shown great promise.

If we steadfastly refuse to go young, perhaps it is time to expand participation to include all the Americas, including Canada, USA, Mexico, Central America, and South America, which could bring the likes of Alex Pagulayan, John Morra, Jesus Atencio and Gerson Martinez into play.

Summation
The Mosconi Cup remains a great, entertaining event, but something must be done to make it more competitive. This year’s formula of bringing back a Team USA that was manhandled in 2024 on home soil almost guaranteed failure. At the very least, we all deserve a new edition of Team USA.

I hope we, in America, will not be delusional about this result. What might have been is irrelevant. The result was not about poor preparation, poor coaching, or poor mental game. It was not about poor lagging or poor breaking. It was about substandard decision making and poor execution of the shots.

Remediation must take place in the practice room. Unless one believes that Europeans are more naturally gifted at pool than Americans, they cannot deny that European cueists are outworking American ones, and they have the results to prove it.

Well played, Europe, but for America, it is time to regroup.
Well written, as usual Stu, thanks for your insight.
If you wrote the ABC's on here I'd read 'em a couple times.
 
Stu thx for the weeks write up, couple great observations.
Starting to see you again AZ front page. :)
Standing :).
Help me with my perspective.
Team Coaches.
Busty.... when his at table players needed help, Busty was called/so to speak.
USA did not do the same>
USA.... The team players would jump in many Coached.
A great coach understands the Game better than all it's team members.
I'd prefer to see Nick Varner Coach 2026 and pick the team.
His knowledge is Efren like.
Plus it would be nice to see nick move Fast :))))))))))))))).
bm
Oddly enough, the last time an American coached Team USA to victory was in 2009 and the coach was Nick Varner, whose knowledge of the game is, undeniably, encyclopedic. I have long believed Nick to be the greatest ever 9ball decision maker in American pool history, and he is in the conversation for being the most knowledgeable pool player of the last fifty years.

Until the 2025 Reyes Cup, I felt that Matchroom had no interest in having a veteran Hall of Fame coach at their Team events, but Bustamante, a sixty something, proved I was mistaken. Perhaps Nick is an option after all.

Nonetheless, I believe that 90% of the coaching job must be done prior to the beginning of the Mosconi Cup. Unless Nick got in the face of Team USA and showed them how to make better decisions at the table, I doubt he would be successful as a coach.

I am going to give this a little more thought, Bill, but those are my initial impressions.
 
Stu,

As always I much appreciate your clear view even if I don't like what you are saying.

There was a time when team USA could getaway with not being cohesive. That time is gone, long gone. I haven't watched Mosconi Cup in a good while but even watching a match or two later, I never get a feeling there is a team USA. It seems to be too much to ask for the US players to be fiercely competitive all year then pull together as a team. At least that is the impression I usually get.

Another issue that has hurt team USA over and over was that when played in Europe, the Europeans have home field advantage. When played in the US, particularly Vegas, it's party time! I haven't paid attention for years so maybe this isn't as true as it once was. Our win came with a real coach which says something. We usually have a group of individuals playing a team. That is always a hard bridge to cross.

Just my thoughts which may be out of touch by now. Reading your reports always conveys a lot of information and makes me think, two good things!

Hu
 
I doubt that going younger will help the USA team.
You have to go younger eventually as older player do loose their game... BUT the younger American players do not get the tough competition as young European players on a daily basis so the overall level is lower.

The tradition of pool is different between the USA and Europe, while in Europe it is a sport with all the aspects of it, In the USA it's just a game, a bar pass time, a gambler's game and it's all about the immediate money (why work hard to become a world champion if you can hustle in you local bar and get paid more? attitude) and these differences in mentality, approach and tradition have finally (last decade or so) caught up with the USA and Europe has passed the USA by miles without even looking back.

Take Poland for example, 15-20 years ago they here mid tier in Europe and even less in international levels, Today they can put up a Mosconi team that will beat the USA.... they have some of the strongest players in the world and you will fine a polish player at the last 8 of many major events. This is the path and the distance that European pool has gone through while America pool stayed at the same spot.
This has nothing to do with covid or whatever other excuse you can think about. it just what it is and most Americans, even pool fans are OK with it.
 
I doubt that going younger will help the USA team.
You have to go younger eventually as older player do loose their game... BUT the younger American players do not get the tough competition as young European players on a daily basis so the overall level is lower.

The tradition of pool is different between the USA and Europe, while in Europe it is a sport with all the aspects of it, In the USA it's just a game, a bar pass time, a gambler's game and it's all about the immediate money (why work hard to become a world champion if you can hustle in you local bar and get paid more? attitude) and these differences in mentality, approach and tradition have finally (last decade or so) caught up with the USA and Europe has passed the USA by miles without even looking back.

Take Poland for example, 15-20 years ago they here mid tier in Europe and even less in international levels, Today they can put up a Mosconi team that will beat the USA.... they have some of the strongest players in the world and you will fine a polish player at the last 8 of many major events. This is the path and the distance that European pool has gone through while America pool stayed at the same spot.
This has nothing to do with covid or whatever other excuse you can think about. it just what it is and most Americans, even pool fans are OK with it.
I was thinking of Poland and how 25 years ago Babica was their top player and now they have several top notch players! Whatever Poland did needs to be studied/copied for sure! Payne is at tourneys every weekend across the country or locally in Indiana but he still has a LONG way to go, Sam is impressive too but still has a ways to go! The US only has 10 or so players to work with and they need to focus on their improvement over the next several years first then focus more on guys like Sam or Payne.
 
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I doubt that going younger will help the USA team.
Same here. Going younger would not stop the bleeding in the short-term, but it would build something for the future.
You have to go younger eventually as older player do loose their game... BUT the younger American players do not get the tough competition as young European players on a daily basis so the overall level is lower.
Not so sure of this. There are far more pro events in the USA, and that's why players like Immonen, Hohmann, Shaw and Appleton moved to the United States. Moving to America also brought Gorst's game to the next level. I think it is as true today as ever that America has a lot more pro events in which to play than Europe.
The tradition of pool is different between the USA and Europe, while in Europe it is a sport with all the aspects of it, In the USA it's just a game, a bar pass time, a gambler's game and it's all about the immediate money (why work hard to become a world champion if you can hustle in you local bar and get paid more? attitude) and these differences in mentality, approach and tradition have finally (last decade or so) caught up with the USA and Europe has passed the USA by miles without even looking back.
Much truth here. Action pool sometimes distracts American pros from putting in the work needed to advance as cueists. Still, it is not fair to generalize here.
Take Poland for example, 15-20 years ago they here mid tier in Europe and even less in international levels, Today they can put up a Mosconi team that will beat the USA.... they have some of the strongest players in the world and you will fine a polish player at the last 8 of many major events. This is the path and the distance that European pool has gone through while America pool stayed at the same spot.
Since the IOC recognized pool in 2001, Polish players have enjoyed great funding from their national pool federation, something it seems American players will never have. For what it is worth, the WNT tour is now four years old and no Polish player has ever won a WNT title. Similarly, no Polish player has ever qualified for Team Europe at the Mosconi. What the Polish players have accomplished is very impressive, but let's not overstate it.

Overall, however, your post is well-judged and well-presented. Thanks for your input.
 
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Good coaching is parenting. American pool players don't quite Roam that way.... and Bergman is smart.
I look at our Broncos head coach with most all his team 1/2 his age or better.
Thx Stu, didn't know Nick did that during my time away from play.
 
Yup, look forward to seeing you again. I'll make sure to have you as my guest for at least one big match, but probably not the banks ring game.
Works for me. I am always honored to sit with you. I will be there each weekend but not during the week.
 
Good write up as always. I think many of us saw this coming and spoke about on here in advance. I expected a Team USA whipping, but more along the lines of 11-6 or maybe 11-7. A couple more made nine balls might have accomplished this score.

Yes, a good coach would help, but we need more than simply good coaching. We need four or five young men who dedicate themselves completely to pool! Shane clones if you will. It's a big country, where are you?

Of the young players I've seen this year I like Lukas the best. Last year his temperament held him back, but this year his mental game is much better, and his overall game went up a speed.
 
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I was thinking of Poland and how 25 years ago Babica was their top player and now they have several top notch players! Whatever Poland did needs to be studied/copied for sure! Payne is at tourneys every weekend across the country or locally in Indiana but he still has a LONG way to go, Sam is impressive too but still has a ways to go! The US only has 10 or so players to work with and they need to focus on their improvement over the next several years first then focus more on guys like Sam or Payne.

i think to start with the US players have a disadvantage with the geographics. the polish players have moved close to each other to have competitive daily practice. the spanish boys have done the same thing. the dutch already had close geographics. snooker players figured this out decades ago, and they now have academies and private clubs with tournament level equipment. that's one thing, competitive practice, treating it as a job and not being content with being the local hero.

another thing is sponsors. seems to me that the europeans have better sponsors in general, just going by hearsay and visible patches. being presentable and attractive to sponsors is part of the job..

i agree about sam. also eric roberts, great potential but definitely needs a coach. lazaro martinez may be too young for MC? either way a new captain should get these guys together and figure out which ones are the best candidates for 2026. it can't get any worse..
 
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