SJM at the Derby City Classic

Ken_4fun said:
I sat with Greg Sullivan at the HOF dinner and he was pretty upset too.

To be fair, there were pluses and minuses this year that Stu kinda left out that told an important point.

This year there was record breaking number of entries in Banks and One Pocket and while 9 ball wasnt a new record it still had a great turnout. Remember that pool is dying so there is supposed to be less and less.:rolleyes: So the issue was really was NOT time management, it was just so many more matches.

Greg told me he really regretted not having room for more tables. He was pretty frustrated and you could see it on his face.

One thing they could do is eliminate the "action room" and put tournament tables in there. (My idea not Greg's)

Another point, back in the day when you had 200 entries and the payout was $50K (including a 10K added). Now in the events there are 400 entries and if you take 400 * $160 entry (banks)=$64,000. The payout is still $50K, where in the hell did the $10K added go, and where is the other $14K?

The One Pocket had nearly 400 (393). The entry and buyback was $200 each if you take the 400 * $200 = $80K. The payout was $52K. Again where was the "Guaranteed Added $15,000"?

The 9 ball is even worse. Assuming 400 players at $260 each, thats $104K. If you take the Guaranteed Added $25K, that would make $129K. Payout was $77.5K.

Start doing the math and it doesn't all work out to me.

Ken
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First and foremost, Ken, it was great seeing you at the Derby.

Of about 180 first round losers in the nine ball, a bit more than half of them did not buy back. Be careful with your assumptions. Bad assumptions lead to bad conclusions.
 
Ken_4fun said:
I sat with Greg Sullivan at the HOF dinner and he was pretty upset too.

To be fair, there were pluses and minuses this year that Stu kinda left out that told an important point.

This year there was record breaking number of entries in Banks and One Pocket and while 9 ball wasnt a new record it still had a great turnout. Remember that pool is dying so there is supposed to be less and less.:rolleyes: So the issue was really was NOT time management, it was just so many more matches.

Greg told me he really regretted not having room for more tables. He was pretty frustrated and you could see it on his face.

One thing they could do is eliminate the "action room" and put tournament tables in there. (My idea not Greg's)

Another point, back in the day when you had 200 entries and the payout was $50K (including a 10K added). Now in the events there are 400 entries and if you take 400 * $160 entry (banks)=$64,000. The payout is still $50K, where in the hell did the $10K added go, and where is the other $14K?

The One Pocket had nearly 400 (393). The entry and buyback was $200 each if you take the 400 * $200 = $80K. The payout was $52K. Again where was the "Guaranteed Added $15,000"?

The 9 ball is even worse. Assuming 400 players at $260 each, thats $104K. If you take the Guaranteed Added $25K, that would make $129K. Payout was $77.5K.

Start doing the math and it doesn't all work out to me.

Ken
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Ken; imo, getting rid of the action room may quite possibly be the worst suggestion I've ever heard lol. That is what the heart and soul this event is all about!

As to the money , as I've said in the past - god forbid a promoter making any money on his / her event. I did not run any numbers nor put any thought into it other than your post, but I do feel that even if that were to have went directly into his pocket he is more then deserving for all the time and effort that goes into putting on the BEST pool event anywhere every year. DCC already is the biggest pool event in the US with the most payouts so unsure how anyone could possibly complain about it??? Like has been said many, many times before if players do not like it they need not play in it --- but they do. In huge numbers at that so mustn't be all that bad right?

Now in all fairness we do know they're have been promoters in the past that have " played with the numbers ", but I doubt that in this case. As someone mentioned, just think about the HUGE cost of even putting on this event year after year. I truly have no idea but if I HAD TO guess a number on the cost to out on I'd say at least $50,000 if not more all in.
 
To keep the size controllable, RAISE THE ENTRY FEES.

That would keep out those who enter, with little chance of success, for the free pass or whatever it's called, or playing just for getting a chance at playing great players. Then the time frames would fit the table numbers better and the profits would not decrease and costs not increase.


Jeff Livingston
 
Excellent report, as usual. Watching the streams and reading your reports are the second best things to actually being there. Thank you, Stu!
 
9Ballr said:
Does SMJ mean Single Jewish Male, or Scandinavian Journal of Management?

https://www.acronymfinder.com/SJM.html
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In Stu's case it might be both! :thumbup:
Why are the prize money payouts something of a secret? It looks like they paid out about 180K in the three main events, plus 32K in the Bigfoot (we know those payouts already) and more for the 14.1. Some of us are curious as to who won how much? Especially if we might have a piece of the action. :cool:
 
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xianmacx said:
Poolactiontv streams a dedicated action table all week...
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Yes I've been a subscriber for several years in a row. I'm talking about in person sweating. The room at the Executive West was great for this. Pretty much the only thing it did better than the Horseshoe despite the nostalgia that folks had for it.
 
sjm said:
... Of about 180 first round losers in the nine ball, a bit more than half of them did not buy back. Be careful with your assumptions. Bad assumptions lead to bad conclusions.
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The buy-backs in each round can actually be counted in the Completed Matches list (although it takes some persistence). The buy-backs continue beyond the first round, of course. In 9-Ball this year they totaled about 65% of the original field. As I mentioned in post #7, the percentage varies a bit from event to event and from year to year.
 
sjm said:
Or is it that lesser known "Saskatchewan Journal of Medicine"?

In fact, SJM are my initials, and sometimes I'm referred to as SJM in my family, so that's the origin of my posting name.
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Thanks for awesome report how about someone give up about details onaction room matches and craziness
 
Filler, played a young gal, shooting spot shots. She made over 2K is what I heard, but???. Not sure exactly the bet. But Filler, not knowing me responded. 2/1 on the money. They both shot from the l/side head rail pocket, as your looking at the table from the head string. She shot one handed from the pocket utilizing the groove between the pocket and the top rail, and JF shot with a bridge, thus coming downward allot more when hitting the cue ball.

DO won 4k, in the back, giving someone a huge one pocket spot, drilled em.

81K bet in the action room also, someone will know.
 
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pt109 said:
Some of my favorite authors....I read every thing they write.
James Lee Burke
John Sandford
Walter Mosley
Lee Child
Thomas Perry
Michael Connelly
John LeCarré
SJM
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I am proud to be in the company of these fine authors. Doubt any of them feel the same about me!
 
sjm said:
Or is it that lesser known "Saskatchewan Journal of Medicine"?

In fact, SJM are my initials, and sometimes I'm referred to as SJM in my family, so that's the origin of my posting name.
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Thanks for the clarification.....lol

But more importantly thanks for a great review.

Oh and even more importantly this is a great opportunity to say thanks
for all the work you do for the pool community, in particular all the super
mega great You Tube videos you do.
 
9Ballr said:
Thanks for the clarification.....lol

But more importantly thanks for a great review.

Oh and even more importantly this is a great opportunity to say thanks
for all the work you do for the pool community, in particular all the super
mega great You Tube videos you do.
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I have never done a youtube video. You've mistaken me for someone else.
 
StraightPoolIU said:
Great trip report as always. I was really puzzled by the schedule problems as there really haven't been issues with this for several years until this year. I wonder if the very large fields in all events were a factor?
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Big fields were a factor, but a) the decision to defer the one pocket late rounds for a day and b) the deferral of some Friday nine ball rounds waiting for Justin Bergman to finish competing in the one pocket were the two decisions that really backfired, and the result was that the last couple of days were absolute chaos.
 
Nice to run into you and get to talk for a few minutes.

It is sad what happened to the 14.1 event and hopefully Greg comes up with a solution to keep the event at DCC for years to come.

The elephant in the room at the DCC for me was the fact that the casino is getting rid of the boat.
I was told that with a change in the laws the casino did not need to be on the boat going forward. So the horseshoe was moving the gaming on land.
Curious how this will change things for DCC for the coming years.
 
boradriver said:
Nice to run into you and get to talk for a few minutes.

It is sad what happened to the 14.1 event and hopefully Greg comes up with a solution to keep the event at DCC for years to come.

The elephant in the room at the DCC for me was the fact that the casino is getting rid of the boat.
I was told that with a change in the laws the casino did not need to be on the boat going forward. So the horseshoe was moving the gaming on land.
Curious how this will change things for DCC for the coming years.
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Great seeing you. I didn't hear about the boat. Are they adding a wing to the hotel or not?
 
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