SJM Trip Report Super Billiards Expo

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Got home Monday from four days at the Super Billiards Expo, the first one I attended in a few years. Here are my impressions:

The Expo
I've never been much if an enthusiast for the game's equipment but I stilled checked out the cues and the tables and the cases which all seemed nice. If you went to the Expo to shop, there was plenty to look at and buy.

The Amateur Competition
Over the four days, I didn't watch any of the play on the bar tables. I've never been much of a fan of bar table pool.

The Three Cushion
This, for me, was the highlight of the Expo. There were three challenge matches all with prize money involved, featuring two top three cushion pros, Mazin Shooni and Hugo Patino and America's two best rotation pool players, Shane Van Boening and Mike Dechaine. The first match was scotch doubles, with Patino/Van Boening vs Shooni/Dechaine. I saw some of it, but wasn't there at the end and don't know who won. In the challenge match between Patino and Shooni, Patino was the victor. In the challenge match between Van Boening and Mike Dechaine, Mike won by a score of 21-13 in about thirty innings. All four participants enjoyed it, and so did the onlookers.

Pro Events
There were three events, the men's 10-ball, the one pocket, and the women's 9-ball. The first two events ran from Thursday to Sunday and the women's event was just Saturday and Sunday.

The 10-ball
A very strong field offered a mix of very fine pool and some pretty sloppy stuff, but the cream rose to the top, offering a very credible last six of SVB, Orcullo, Hohmann, Dechaine, Kiamco and Shaw.

The last matches on Saturday night were good ones. Dechaine, who'd been knocked very convincingly to the B side by Hohmann earlier in the event drew Thorsten once again and this time, Mike won a double hill thriller. It was the second win in a row over a world 9-ball champion for Mike, as he'd beaten and eliminated Immonen to reach the match with Hohmann. Kiamco fought the good fight in his match with Shaw, but Jayson was too good in the end, so Shaw and Dechaine, the two superstars of the Joss tour, joined Shane and Dennis in Sunday's action.

Starting Sunday, it felt a lot like the 2014 US Open 9-ball, which had a final four of SVB, Orcullo, Dechaine and Nick the Greek. This time, the final four were SVB, Orcullo, Dechaine and Shaw.

Sunday's matches were all hard fought. Shaw beat Dechaine in a good one while Dennis was winning the hot seat, which brought a semifinal of Shaw vs. SVB. Shane appeared to be about to win, but went wrong on a seven ball at 9-7 and ended up losing a double hill thriller, 10-9.

That brought us a final of Orcullo vs. Shaw, a seesaw battle with a lot of good play and a stumble or two by each player. This time, it looked like Shaw would win, but he went wrong on a seven ball at double hill and it cost him the title, 13-12. Well played, Dennis Orcullo.

As for the Mosconi Cup angle, Shuff had two wins including a win over Sossei, Sossei had two wins including a win over Strickland, but he drew Shaw immediately after and wasn't quite up to the challenge, Oscar D and Skyler W both went two and out. Johnny Archer was there, and he won a couple of matches, but his form is well below the Archer of old. Deuel, if memory serves, played one pocket only. Justin Bergman won a couple of matches and is playing solid pool. As already noted, Shane and Dechaine both reached Sunday's final four, and, along with Justin Hall, who played so well in the last Mosconi, and Sossei, who was brilliant at Derby City, they are surely the most obvious members of the next US Mosconi team if playing form is what it is all about this year. Shuff and Bergman, to me, look like the best candidates for the fifth spot.

The One Pocket
A sprinkling of top pros hooked up with some strong amateurs and the amateurs held their own. The last eight included Deuel, Hall, Wines, Morgan, Kiamco, Kielar, Brown and the last player' name is eluding me. The semis were both hard fought, but Deuel outlasted Wines and Brown took down Kiamco. Brown won the final with surprising ease, a rare Cinderella story. Well done!

The Nine Ball
The ladies event brought a weaker than usual field and the inexplicably long races to ten ensured that the matches took forever (Saturday night's play went past 4:00 AM). Previous winners Allison Fisher, Kelly Fisher, Jeanette Lee, and Karen Corr were all absent, opening the door for a Cinderella story. Three ladies shone above the rest and they were Dawn Fox, Dawn Hopkins and Caroline Pao. Caroline played well to win the hot seat and Hopkins prevailed over Fox in the semifinal. In a good final, it got all the way to 9-9, double hill. It came down to a safety just slightly misplayed by Pao on the seven ball, but Hopkins still faced a very tough cut up the long rail and hit it perfectly to set up the run out that won her the title. Well played, Dawn Hopkins.

The Big Picture Regarding the Pro Events
The pro events were very poorly run, with table assignments a mess, scheduling a horror show, and the way the room was set up was pretty ridiculous. If you didn't have a VIP seat ($20 cost per session), you could only see half of the matches, and if you did, there just weren't enough seats for everybody in the VIP section. Table assignments were never preannounced, so you couldn't even plan your seating in advance. From a fan's standpoint, the event was not a good one.

On the Side
The strange, inefficient, way in which the tournaments were coordinated offered the pros a lot of downtime, and many of them looked for action in their downtime. Among the more amusing action propositions came at the breaking booth, where breaks were measured on the radar gun. A fellow whose name escapes me has a very strong one handed break and he bet Mike Dechaine getting a spot of 5 mph on the wire. The best break out of five would be the only one that would count. After a 25.9 mph one handed break by his opponent , Dechaine had to come up with 31 mph to win and he did 32.1 mph to take down the bet. Mike next bet that, given twelve attempts, he could hit a 35 mph break, with an agreement that the break would count even if he fouled. He hit a 36.1 mph break on his third attempt to win that bet.

Socially
I brought a non-pool playing friend of mine with me on Thursday and she enjoyed it very much. I caught up with many pool friends and if I saw you, it was a pleasure. The social highlight for me surely came on Sunday night when I went out for a steak dinner with Jerry Briesath, Scott Lee and Jamison Neu.

Conclusion
On the whole, I found the event disappointing. The poor setup and coordination of the pro events ruined things for me, as the pro events are what I'm there for. Still, the expo was nice and the three cushion was great fun. The food was pretty bad, as is usually the case at the expo. Thanks to all who made the expo happen, but I, for one, was not very impressed.
 
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You hit the nail on the head again, Stu.
I couldn't agree more with your comments on the organization of the pro events. I also attended to first and foremost watch the pros and left disappointed in the scheduling conflicts and limited viewing areas.
The three cushion was a true highlight with dechaine and shooni defeating patino and SVB by a score of 30-23.
 
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The Nine Ball
The ladies event brought a weaker than usual field ...
I think most of the top players were in Asia for back-to-back events. I suspect there was no way to avoid a conflict.
 
I've always paid for VIP. Not this year after seeing the setup. One level?
That was ridiculous.
 
This was my first rodeo at the expo as a vendor or even being there....

As a spectator and supporter who buys VIP I can't really comment... I got to watch very little of ANY of the events... As far as the logistics tho I can say that if you book early and get a room in the Hyatt Garden or the one that backed up to it you can make the walk in the rain in about 15 minutes even in the rain if you wait until after 11pm when they stop the shuttles....

The food... Well it was priced decently for what you got... Cheesesteak 8 bucks... chicken strips 6.50... 20oz bottled soft frink 2.50....

Was very surprised that only muellers was there as far as the big supply houses were concerned... I expected Seyberts, Ozone, PoolDawg.. Cue and Case to be there..... I guess if you retail and don't make your products you see no value in connecting to people...

Will I be back next year? I can't answer that yet... Being in the industry I won't miss it but I may not buy a booth.... I learned the right way to do a booth next year but offsetting $2500 when you sell products for $20 or less has you just hoping to break even.....

Appreciate Stu's take on it from a patron....

Chris
 
You hit the nail on the head again, Stu.
I couldn't agree more with your comments on the organization of the pro events. I also attended to first and foremost watch the pros and left disappointed in the scheduling conflicts and limited viewing areas.
The three cushion was a true highlight with dechaine and shooni defeating patino and SVB by a score of 30-23.

Hope you drop by at the Joss Tour event at Snookers over Memorial Day weekend. As you well know, Joss Tour events are incredibly well organized and are always enjoyable to attend.
 
In the 15 years I have gone Seyberts has been there only once. Pool Dawg on comes to give away catalogs and get people to sign up for mailings.
I thought the attendance was down this year. Someone said it only seemed that way because the place was bigger. I saw the cue workers sitting around a lot. There seemed to be less work for them. Saturday is usually a day when the booths are crowded. This year there was plenty of room to move around.
I enjoy looking at all the cues, and talking to people. This was no exception. I had a good time. Got to watch some friends do well in the amateur events.
I intended to buy vip seats for the pros but the set up did not justify the price. I want to sit up so I can look down and see the table. VIP seating were just chairs on the floor.
I do not understand the schedule. On Friday and Saturday the men started at 6:30. Why? If I had a choice I would start the men at 11 and the women at night. No big names for the women. One pocket takes so long why not set them up in a separate area?
I hope others enjoyed the event. I will continue to go and support the sbe. For the cost of entry I think it is a great event. For double the price I can get a seat in the upper deck to match a baseball game. For $40 I spent three days having fun.
 
In the 15 years I have gone Seyberts has been there only once. Pool Dawg on comes to give away catalogs and get people to sign up for mailings.
I thought the attendance was down this year. Someone said it only seemed that way because the place was bigger. I saw the cue workers sitting around a lot. There seemed to be less work for them. Saturday is usually a day when the booths are crowded. This year there was plenty of room to move around.
I enjoy looking at all the cues, and talking to people. This was no exception. I had a good time. Got to watch some friends do well in the amateur events.
I intended to buy vip seats for the pros but the set up did not justify the price. I want to sit up so I can look down and see the table. VIP seating were just chairs on the floor.
I do not understand the schedule. On Friday and Saturday the men started at 6:30. Why? If I had a choice I would start the men at 11 and the women at night. No big names for the women. One pocket takes so long why not set them up in a separate area?
I hope others enjoyed the event. I will continue to go and support the sbe. For the cost of entry I think it is a great event. For double the price I can get a seat in the upper deck to match a baseball game. For $40 I spent three days having fun.
 
Nice Report

That was a nice report Stu.My last was in Edison, NJ. I didnt stay but a few days and things seemed better organized that this trip you reported on.
 
Got home Monday from four days at the Super Billiards Expo, the first one I attended in a few years. Here are my impressions:

The Expo
I've never been much if an enthusiast for the game's equipment but I stilled checked out the cues and the tables and the cases which all seemed nice. If you went to the Expo to shop, there was plenty to look at and buy.

The Amateur Competition
Over the four days, I didn't watch any of the play on the bar tables. I've never been much of a fan of bar table pool.

The Three Cushion
This, for me, was the highlight of the Expo. There were three challenge matches all with prize money involved, featuring two top three cushion pros, Mazin Shooni and Hugo Patino and America's two best rotation pool players, Shane Van Boening and Mike Dechaine. The first match was scotch doubles, with Patino/Van Boening vs Shooni/Dechaine. I saw some of it, but wasn't there at the end and don't know who won. In the challenge match between Patino and Shooni, Patino was the victor. In the challenge match between Van Boening and Mike Dechaine, Mike won by a score of 21-13 in about thirty innings. All four participants enjoyed it, and so did the onlookers.

Pro Events
There were three events, the men's 10-ball, the one pocket, and the women's 9-ball. The first two events ran from Thursday to Sunday and the women's event was just Saturday and Sunday.

The 10-ball
A very strong field offered a mix of very fine pool and some pretty sloppy stuff, but the cream rose to the top, offering a very credible last six of SVB, Orcullo, Hohmann, Dechaine, Kiamco and Shaw.

The last matches on Saturday night were good ones. Dechaine, who'd been knocked very convincingly to the B side by Hohmann earlier in the event drew Thorsten once again and this time, Mike won a double hill thriller. It was the second win in a row over a world 9-ball champion for Mike, as he'd beaten and eliminated Immonen to reach the match with Hohmann. Kiamco fought the good fight in his match with Shaw, but Jayson was too good in the end, so Shaw and Dechaine, the two superstars of the Joss tour, joined Shane and Dennis in Sunday's action.

Starting Sunday, it felt a lot like the 2014 US Open 9-ball, which had a final four of SVB, Orcullo, Dechaine and Nick the Greek. This time, the final four were SVB, Orcullo, Dechaine and Shaw.

Sunday's matches were all hard fought. Shaw beat Dechaine in a good one while Dennis was winning the hot seat, which brought a semifinal of Shaw vs. SVB. Shane appeared to be about to win, but went wrong on a seven ball at 9-7 and ended up losing a double hill thriller, 10-9.

That brought us a final of Orcullo vs. Shaw, a seesaw battle with a lot of good play and a stumble or two by each player. This time, it looked like Shaw would win, but he went wrong on a seven ball at double hill and it cost him the title, 13-12. Well played, Dennis Orcullo.

As for the Mosconi Cup angle, Shuff had two wins including a win over Sossei, Sossei had two wins including a win over Strickland, but he drew Shaw immediately after and wasn't quite up to the challenge, Oscar D and Skyler W both went two and out. Johnny Archer was there, and he won a couple of matches, but his form is well below the Archer of old. Deuel, if memory serves, played one pocket only. Justin Bergman won a couple of matches and is playing solid pool. As already noted, Shane and Dechaine both reached Sunday's final four, and, along with Justin Hall, who played so well in the last Mosconi, and Sossei, who was brilliant at Derby City, they are surely the most obvious members of the next US Mosconi team if playing form is what it is all about this year. Shuff and Bergman, to me, look like the best candidates for the fifth spot.

The One Pocket
A sprinkling of top pros hooked up with some strong amateurs and the amateurs held their own. The last eight included Deuel, Hall, Wines, Morgan, Kiamco, Kielar, Brown and the last player' name is eluding me. The semis were both hard fought, but Deuel outlasted Wines and Brown took down Kiamco. Brown won the final with surprising ease, a rare Cinderella story. Well done!

The Nine Ball
The ladies event brought a weaker than usual field and the inexplicably long races to ten ensured that the matches took forever (Saturday night's play went past 4:00 AM). Previous winners Allison Fisher, Kelly Fisher, Jeanette Lee, and Karen Corr were all absent, opening the door for a Cinderella story. Three ladies shone above the rest and they were Dawn Fox, Dawn Hopkins and Caroline Pao. Caroline played well to win the hot seat and Hopkins prevailed over Fox in the semifinal. In a good final, it got all the way to 9-9, double hill. It came down to a safety just slightly misplayed by Pao on the seven ball, but Hopkins still faced a very tough cut up the long rail and hit it perfectly to set up the run out that won her the title. Well played, Dawn Hopkins.

The Big Picture Regarding the Pro Events
The pro events were very poorly run, with table assignments a mess, scheduling a horror show, and the way the room was set up was pretty ridiculous. If you didn't have a VIP seat ($20 cost per session), you could only see half of the matches, and if you did, there just weren't enough seats for everybody in the VIP section. Table assignments were never preannounced, so you couldn't even plan your seating in advance. From a fan's standpoint, the event was not a good one.

On the Side
The strange, inefficient, way in which the tournaments were coordinated offered the pros a lot of downtime, and many of them looked for action in their downtime. Among the more amusing action propositions came at the breaking booth, where breaks were measured on the radar gun. A fellow whose name escapes me has a very strong one handed break and he bet Mike Dechaine getting a spot of 5 mph on the wire. The best break out of five would be the only one that would count. After a 25.9 mph one handed break by his opponent , Dechaine had to come up with 31 mph to win and he did 32.1 mph to take down the bet. Mike next bet that, given twelve attempts, he could hit a 35 mph break, with an agreement that the break would count even if he fouled. He hit a 36.1 mph break on his third attempt to win that bet.

Socially
I brought a non-pool playing friend of mine with me on Thursday and she enjoyed it very much. I caught up with many pool friends and if I saw you, it was a pleasure. The social highlight for me surely came on Sunday night when I went out for a steak dinner with Jerry Briesath, Scott Lee and Jamison Neu.

Conclusion
On the whole, I found the event disappointing. The poor setup and coordination of the pro events ruined things for me, as the pro events are what I'm there for. Still, the expo was nice and the three cushion was great fun. The food was pretty bad, as is usually the case at the expo. Thanks to all who made the expo happen, but I, for one, was not very impressed.

You left out the tap events they were huge, with a15k first place dream team 8 ball event ,tap had to turn down 30 more entries even with a early cutoff, due to lack of tables available!
Next year I am sure more tables and players attending meaning more expo attendance!
Tailgating outside beautiful weather and rvs were there in lot!
Tap is getting real big here due to expo tap handicap events
pro matches were awesome up-close and included in admission price nice!
pro am great matches on barbox
watched finals of seniors ,super seniors and open fun time with so much on line!
pit action was great ty guys for the laughs and great play

I think this will become the pool event of year shortly!
 
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It was a pleasure to meet you, Stu! I always appreciate your reports.

In this case, I didn't come away with such a negative opinion. I'm glad I went and this was the first time that I played (but I didn't win a match…)

I thought many things could be improved, but for me, it was like a smorgasbord of pool happenings. When I got antsy watching 1-pocket or women's 9-ball, I'd go play for a few hours in the action room. When I got bored there, I'd stroll around and look at exhibits. When I got restless there, I'd check out the juniors matches, etc., etc.

In other words, there was quite a diversity of activities to keep me occupied and overall, I'm happy to have experienced this.

Next year, I'm going to try the Derby and cross that one off my bucket list.
 
It was a pleasure to meet you, Stu! I always appreciate your reports.

In this case, I didn't come away with such a negative opinion. I'm glad I went and this was the first time that I played (but I didn't win a match…)

I thought many things could be improved, but for me, it was like a smorgasbord of pool happenings. When I got antsy watching 1-pocket or women's 9-ball, I'd go play for a few hours in the action room. When I got bored there, I'd stroll around and look at exhibits. When I got restless there, I'd check out the juniors matches, etc., etc.

In other words, there was quite a diversity of activities to keep me occupied and overall, I'm happy to have experienced this.

Next year, I'm going to try the Derby and cross that one off my bucket list.

Yes, glad we finally met.
 
Was very surprised that only muellers was there as far as the big supply houses were concerned... I expected Seyberts, Ozone, PoolDawg.. Cue and Case to be there..... I guess if you retail and don't make your products you see no value in connecting to people...

Chris

Hi Chris,

I can't speak for any of the other companies that you mentioned, but I'm happy to explain why PoolDawg wasn't at the Expo. The overall cost for us to bring out our pop-up store booth is just simply too high for such a short show. We do get a 10x10 booth there from time to time to hand out swag and do the meet and greet thing, but doing the store is just too hard and too expensive for such a short show.

We do love to meet all of our customers and have a great time every year at APA Nationals, but as a small company we have to pick and choose what shows make the most sense for us from a cost and bandwidth perspective.

Hope this helps!

Mike
 
I won a cue there Saturday so I have very little negative to say about this year. :)
 
Nice write up SJM -- just an FYI, Oscar won as many matches as Bergman in the event. Sky went two and out.
 
Got home Monday from four days at the Super Billiards Expo, the first one I attended in a few years. Here are my impressions:



The Three Cushion
This, for me, was the highlight of the Expo. There were three challenge matches all with prize money involved, featuring two top three cushion pros, Mazin Shooni and Hugo Patino and America's two best rotation pool players, Shane Van Boening and Mike Dechaine. The first match was scotch doubles, with Patino/Van Boening vs Shooni/Dechaine. I saw some of it, but wasn't there at the end and don't know who won. In the challenge match between Patino and Shooni, Patino was the victor. In the challenge match between Van Boening and Mike Dechaine, Mike won by a score of 21-13 in about thirty innings. All four participants enjoyed it, and so did the onlookers.
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This is exactly what want to hear. Each year, this being the 5th Paul Frankel - Professor QBall and Yura work hard to present and promote the game. This year I think was the best event they've put on. We kept the good from last year and added some new. One of the events was Mazin conducting a clinic for 18yr and under kids. This will happen again. We're already working on next year. One event will be huge if it can get pulled off. Short game, single elimination, winner takes all. Large prize.

Here's Yura's report. http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=396168
 
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