skippy27...got a few questions cor you

[Celophanewrap]

A playing cue with a hard tip is not a jump cue! Get over it. The rules allow the op to do this.

Jump cues are banned because they give an experienced player even more of an advantage and a less experienced player can cause alot of damage with one.

If you can jump full cue with a Viking and a"regular" tip, you should be allowed
to do so.

I think the question is regarding modifying a playing cue by installing a break tip or switching to that cue your break cue) that isn't necessarily a "manufactured" break cue like a Predator BK, BK1, BK2 ...

Now then, if I understand correctly, Skippy says, No, you can't do that do that, several other have said yes you can because the cue is not specifically designed to break with

 

[Skippy27]

Changing to a stick, even a Q-Tip, for a specialty shot and for only that shot as that stick is setup to aide you in that particular shot indeed means you changed to a specialty cue. A cue designed, by you or the manufacturer, to perform a particular shoot.

Straight from the rule book page 101 Specialty Cues: Cues specifically TAILORED to perform SPECIFIC shots. These include, but are not limited to, jump cues, break cues and jump-break cues (combination of jump cues and break cues).

I would agree I believe their intent is to discourage jumping. However, they unfortunately encourage jumping by those that try it with a tool that is harder to do it with and is more likely to cause damage.

and then to muddy the waters even further, APA allows use of jump cues in masters division even though rules clearly state otherwise. LOL

You really should review the rules before posting as you are 100% incorrect.

A playing cue with a hard tip is not a jump cue! Get over it. The rules allow the op to do this.

Welcome to the conversation. Try to keep up.

 

[fastone371]

If you use that stick for all of your shots regardless, then no you did not convert it to a specialty cue. I know a guy that actually uses a 3 piece jump/break cue as his shooting stick all the time. He put a softer tip on it and then put a much harder one on what he used to shoot as his regular stick and now breaks with it.

If you changed the cue for the purpose of only using it for specialty shots, be it jumping, breaking or masse, then yes you have converted it to a specialty stick.

See the difference?

I personally would never use my playing stick for breaking. Not only is there more of a chance of something happening to it, but it is harder on the tip and will require you to work it more.

I almost always break with my playing cues, the only exception is if I am using my Predator shaft, I heard the ferules are not very durable/strong. I normally play with a McDermott G-core and I do not suffer any ill effects from breaking with it.

 

[Skippy27]

I almost always break with my playing cues, the only exception is if I am using my Predator shaft, I heard the ferules are not very durable/strong. I normally play with a McDermott G-core and I do not suffer any ill effects from breaking with it.

I use the same shaft with the tiger tip and a McDermott Stinger Jump/Break.

 

[Jaden]

I"m sorry you are just plain wrong...

Changing to a stick, even a Q-Tip, for a specialty shot and for only that shot as that stick is setup to aide you in that particular shot indeed means you changed to a specialty cue. A cue designed, by you or the manufacturer, to perform a particular shoot.

Straight from the rule book page 101 Specialty Cues: Cues specifically TAILORED to perform SPECIFIC shots. These include, but are not limited to, jump cues, break cues and jump-break cues (combination of jump cues and break cues).

I would agree I believe their intent is to discourage jumping. However, they unfortunately encourage jumping by those that try it with a tool that is harder to do it with and is more likely to cause damage.



You really should review the rules before posting as you are 100% incorrect.



Welcome to the conversation. Try to keep up.

If I only use a 2016 camaro ss at the track, does that make it a specialty racecar???

I haven't changed anything on it but the tires, and the tires can be used legally on the street...so now if I decide to use it for a stop light race(within the limits of the law), it's no longer legal to drive on the street?

Do you not see the flaw in your logic here?

Jaden

p.s. Just give it up Skippy, you're wrong here, what it's used for primarily by THAT cueist has no bearing on whether or not it qualifies as a specialty cue. Even the cited rules specifically state that it has to be DESIGNED for a specialty purpose, not USED for a specialty purpose.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

Changing to a stick, even a Q-Tip, for a specialty shot and for only that shot as that stick is setup to aide you in that particular shot indeed means you changed to a specialty cue. A cue designed, by you or the manufacturer, to perform a particular shoot.

Straight from the rule book page 101 Specialty Cues: Cues specifically TAILORED to perform SPECIFIC shots. These include, but are not limited to, jump cues, break cues and jump-break cues (combination of jump cues and break cues).

I would agree I believe their intent is to discourage jumping. However, they unfortunately encourage jumping by those that try it with a tool that is harder to do it with and is more likely to cause damage.



You really should review the rules before posting as you are 100% incorrect.



Welcome to the conversation. Try to keep up.

Sorry, Skippy, but you're wrong. Again.

If I buy an 18oz sneaky pete, and put a Samsara tip on it, it will jump better than my 21oz playing cue with a medium Moori on it.

There are no rules against what hardnesses of tips can be used. The Samsara tip is APA legal. So, what grounds would you have against me using the above cue? I could actually play with the cue if I wanted to. But the rules allow me a second cue - i.e. a break cue. So why would I expose my playing cue to the abuse of a jump shot? The jump shot is legal in the APA, as long as the pool room allows them. We've gone over this countless times with the league operators here. You're allowed two cues. You can shoot a jump shot with your breaker, and switch back.

You're wrong. Give it up. Call the head office of the APA if you'd like to find out.

 

[Skippy27]

Sorry, Skippy, but you're wrong. Again.

So what does this mean?
Specialty Cues: Cues specifically TAILORED to perform SPECIFIC shots. These include, but are not limited to, jump cues, break cues and jump-break cues (combination of jump cues and break cues).

How are you going to dance around that very first sentence?

In addition, you may want to review the rules again as you may NOT use a break cue to perform a jump or masse shot in Standard APA League or tournament play. See Break Cues under Equipment.

Sorry, try again.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

So what does this mean?
Specialty Cues: Cues specifically TAILORED to perform SPECIFIC shots. These include, but are not limited to, jump cues, break cues and jump-break cues (combination of jump cues and break cues).

How are you going to dance around that very first sentence?

Easily. The sneaky pete isn't a "break cue". It isn't a Stinger, or a BK, or a "brand X" break cue. It's a standard two piece cue. I just choose to break with it. And shoot jump shots with it. Just because I can make it jump better than you, doesn't make it a "jump cue". And just because I can break better than you with a house cue than your Stinger, doesn't make the wallabushka a "break cue".

Get it now?

 

[Celophanewrap]

If I only use a 2016 camaro ss at the track, does that make it a specialty racecar???

I haven't changed anything on it but the tires, and the tires can be used legally on the street...so now if I decide to use it for a stop light race(within the limits of the law), it's no longer legal to drive on the street?

Do you not see the flaw in your logic here?

Jaden

p.s. Just give it up Skippy, you're wrong here, what it's used for primarily by THAT cueist has no bearing on whether or not it qualifies as a specialty cue. Even the cited rules specifically state that it has to be DESIGNED for a specialty purpose, not USED for a specialty purpose.

I would think that if you use that 2016 Camero SS only at the track, and you trailer it back and forth to the track, and that's why you bought it, then yes, it is a specialty racer. If I buy it and drive it daily back and forth to work and get fast food wrappers and big gulp cups in the passenger side on the floor, then is a normal car. When you steal it back because I was abusing your car and you once again trailer it back and forth to the track it is once again a specialty racer

So if have a pair of Predator BK2's and I change the tip on one of the to a Kamui SS I can't shoot regular with that one because it's a break cue?

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

From the APA rule book:

Regular Shooting Cues – Any cue designed to shoot the majority of shots in a game of pool. These cues may also be used to perform jump shots, massé shots, and break shots in all APA League and tournament play. You may not “break down” your Regular Shooting Cue to perform a jump shot.

My break cue qualifies as a "regular shooting cue", as it can perform all of the above shots, and its use cannot be limited, as such.

 

[justadub]

All I can tell you, is that my LO has looked me in the eye and said we can jump with "any full size cue". I asked, "even a jump/break cue?" He repeated, "any full size cue."

But what does he know?

 

[Skippy27]

Get it now?

No, as you did not address the APA definition of a specialty cue.

I guess by your interpretation of all the rules concerning cues and their use it is OK for anyone to buy a 36" shorty put a hard tip on it and use that as their 2nd cue only in the case of jumping. I mean it is designed to shoot a majority of shots in a game of pool and is not specifically made for jumping. I just choose to only switch to it for jumping.

 

[Skippy27]

All I can tell you, is that my LO has looked me in the eye and said we can jump with "any full size cue". I asked, "even a jump/break cue?" He repeated, "any full size cue."

But what does he know?

Depends on what he is saying. Is he saying by his bylaws? And where is he defining "any full size cue" as that is not mentioned anywhere and it says any piece of equipment designed specially for pocket billiards with 2 exceptions - laser device and mechanical cues.

If he is saying you can do it in APA and it is acceptable in higher level tournaments he is wrong being that the rules specifically say you can't use a break or a jump/break cue to jump.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

No, as you did not address the APA definition of a specialty cue.

I guess by your interpretation of all the rules concerning cues and their use it is OK for anyone to buy a 36" shorty put a hard tip on it and use that as their 2nd cue only in the case of jumping. I mean it is designed to shoot a majority of shots in a game of pool and is not specifically made for jumping. I just choose to only switch to it for jumping.

My second cue is 58" in length. 18oz.

And, no. As I have stated, my cue can do more than just jump. It can break. I can also play with it.

You're the one who has proven an inability to comprehend logic. I think you just argue for the sake of arguing. Even league operators are telling you that you are wrong. But what do we know?

 

[lorider]

I think the question is regarding modifying a playing cue by installing a break tip or switching to that cue your break cue) that isn't necessarily a "manufactured" break cue like a Predator BK, BK1, BK2 ...

Now then, if I understand correctly, Skippy says, No, you can't do that do that, several other have said yes you can because the cue is not specifically designed to break with

I think there may be a slight misunderstanding here. I apologize if I may have worded it wrong to lead you to believe i currently break with this cue as i do not.

I have a Alex brick break cue solely used for breaking.

My reason for this thread was based on skippys erroneous view point that a standard cue with a standard hard leather tip and used on special shots is a special cue..

It's alright to not agree. Heck we all are wrong at one time or another. Al it takes to be wrong is miss a simple word in a rule or take a certain sentence in . A rule and and focus entirely on that one sentence and ignoring the rest of the paragraph.

Been guilty of that myself. So it does not bother me when son one is wrong and i will admit when i am wrong.

What does bother me when people disagree on a ruling is when some one has to validate their opinion by stating the other person is a jerk or rule monger or a person always looking for a loop hole in A rule to exploit to their advantage.

When i dis agree with your view point i simply state why i believe what i do and leave it at that. No reason to denigrate the person who does not agree with me.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

No, as you did not address the APA definition of a specialty cue.

I guess by your interpretation of all the rules concerning cues and their use it is OK for anyone to buy a 36" shorty put a hard tip on it and use that as their 2nd cue only in the case of jumping. I mean it is designed to shoot a majority of shots in a game of pool and is not specifically made for jumping. I just choose to only switch to it for jumping.

WPA rules specify that a cue has to be at least 40" in length. No minimum weight specified. Max weight is 25oz. Max tip diameter is 15mm.

So a 36" shorty would be disqualified, as it doesn't meet the WPA rules regarding cues.

 

[Skippy27]

WPA rules specify that a cue has to be at least 40" in length. No minimum weight specified. Max weight is 25oz. Max tip diameter is 15mm.

So a 36" shorty would be disqualified, as it doesn't meet the WPA rules regarding cues.

Well... I guess if we were talking about WPA rules that would matter. However, we are not so it doesnt.

 

[lorider]

Changing to a stick, even a Q-Tip, for a specialty shot and for only that shot as that stick is setup to aide you in that particular shot indeed means you changed to a specialty cue. A cue designed, by you or the manufacturer, to perform a particular shoot.

Straight from the rule book page 101 Specialty Cues: Cues specifically TAILORED to perform SPECIFIC shots. These include, but are not limited to, jump cues, break cues and jump-break cues (combination of jump cues and break cues).

I would agree I believe their intent is to discourage jumping. However, they unfortunately encourage jumping by those that try it with a tool that is harder to do it with and is more likely to cause damage.



You really should review the rules before posting as you are 100% incorrect.



Welcome to the conversation. Try to keep up.

Skippy by your statements regarding cues special designed for particular shots I have another cue that would be illegal by your interpretation.

I have a cue with a built in extension.. You turn the butt counter clock wise and the butt extends out 6 inches and you turn it clock wise to lock it in place.

Since I am not exactly basketball material occasional there are times I have trouble stretching out for a shot. When these type shots come up I change over to that cue. Now I only use it on those type shots..

According to your statements you have made that cue is illegal also because I dont use it as my main player.

 

[Skippy27]

According to your statements you have made that cue is illegal also because I dont use it as my main player.

I made it illegal or the rules you just read have shown you that it is illegal?

Something like that would have to be left to the APA to decide. Extenders are legal, but switching to a cue to extend as opposed to using a bridge? That could fall under the definition of a specialty cue.

 

[Skippy27]

my cue can do more than just jump. It can break. I can also play with it.

So would you say your cue has been specially tailored to perform a specific shot?

While I have your attention, can you also tell me what it is that makes a break cue a break cue? Surely your answer is NOT going to be, because the manufacturer called it that when they sold it.