skippy27...got a few questions cor you

[Jaden]

yes...

Depends on what he is saying. Is he saying by his bylaws? And where is he defining "any full size cue" as that is not mentioned anywhere and it says any piece of equipment designed specially for pocket billiards with 2 exceptions - laser device and mechanical cues.

If he is saying you can do it in APA and it is acceptable in higher level tournaments he is wrong being that the rules specifically say you can't use a break or a jump/break cue to jump.

however, it's not because of the reason you're stating. It's because a break cue and or a jump/break cue is specifically designed as specialty cues.

I use a viking that was a a gift to the APA national runner up from the APA with a hard tip on it. No one could EVER tell me I couldn't jump with it, if jumps are otherwise allowed, because it is NOT a specialty cue. Not that it would matter because I don't play in the APA...lol

Jaden

 

[Celophanewrap]

All I can tell you, is that my LO has looked me in the eye and said we can jump with "any full size cue". I asked, "even a jump/break cue?" He repeated, "any full size cue."

But what does he know?

Yea..... what do they know.
I say we all meet up in Las Vegas at the Main Bar at Hooters, in August and hash this thing out, on about the 15th. everyone OK with that?

 

[lorider]

I made it illegal or the rules you just read have shown you that it is illegal?

Something like that would have to be left to the APA to decide. Extenders are legal, but switching to a cue to extend as opposed to using a bridge? That could fall under the definition of a specialty cue.

I'm sorry...you are.wrong again Skippy.


That cue is designed to play the " majority " of shots during a match. Just because.i " choose " to use it only on certain shots does not make it a specialty cue.

That is the word that seems to keep escaping your reading comprehension and causing you to misinterpret the rule concerning what is legal and what I not legal.

 

[mm4pool]

You really should review the rules before posting as you are 100% incorrect.



im sorry, which part am i 100% incorrect about?


h. Jump Cues – The use of jump cues is allowed in Masters Division play.
Be aware that even though Masters’ rules allow for the use of jump cues,
Local League Bylaws or Host Location “house rules” may choose to
limit or strictly prohibit their use.

page 78 of APA manual

 

[lorider]

You really should review the rules before posting as you are 100% incorrect.



im sorry, which part am i 100% incorrect about?


h. Jump Cues – The use of jump cues is allowed in Masters Division play.
Be aware that even though Masters’ rules allow for the use of jump cues,
Local League Bylaws or Host Location “house rules” may choose to
limit or strictly prohibit their use.

page 78 of APA manual

Now this guy is is a rule book laser...all the rest of us are bus wannabes.

Just jerking your chain...good find :thumbup:

 

[lorider]

Yea..... what do they know.
I say we all meet up in Las Vegas at the Main Bar at Hooters, in August and hash this thing out, on about the 15th. everyone OK with that?

I'm definitely down for that. :wink:


And if by some chance I wind up playing Skippy in the tourny I hope he does not have a melt down when k pull out 4 cues to play with during our match:grin-square:

 

[mm4pool]

Now this guy is is a rule book laser...all the rest of us are bus wannabes.

Just jerking your chain...good find :thumbup:

i played masters for a few years is why i knew this. masters also allows pushouts

 

[Celophanewrap]

I'm definitely down for that. :wink:


And if by some chance I wind up playing Skippy in the tourny I hope he does not have a melt down when k pull out 4 cues to play with during our match:grin-square:

Maybe we could make it a cage match

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

Well... I guess if we were talking about WPA rules that would matter. However, we are not so it doesnt.

My mistake. I guess we have to go by what the APA defines a cue to be. I couldn't find that in the rule book. So I guess I can use a baseball bat at league next week. It can accomplish the majority of shots required to play pool.

The APA uses the WPA rules on equipment, just so you know. But, you will have some snappy27 comeback...

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

So would you say your cue has been specially tailored to perform a specific shot?

While I have your attention, can you also tell me what it is that makes a break cue a break cue? Surely your answer is NOT going to be, because the manufacturer called it that when they sold it.

My cue has a WB tip on it. Very similar to the standard tip on a Schon. I guess all Schon cues should be considered specialty cues that aren't allowed for use in the APA...

What makes a cue a break cue? You tell us, specialty cue expert. You're the one deeming which cues are and aren't legal. If I was to define a break cue, it's a cue with a phenolic tip, or one piece tip/ferrule combo. But again, I really don't care. I just like poking holes in your "expertise".

 

[Celophanewrap]

My mistake. I guess we have to go by what the APA defines a cue to be. I couldn't find that in the rule book. So I guess I can use a baseball bat at league next week. It can accomplish the majority of shots required to play pool.

The APA uses the WPA rules on equipment, just so you know. But, you will have some snappy27 comeback...

The APA isn't that specific. The rule book talks about any item that is specifically designed for billiards or I guess Pocket Billiards. Do you imagine the WPA would allow you to play an event on a table with a particle board bed? It happens in the APA. Particle board with divots and creators and warpege, but it is made for billiards. I think the equipment definitions may be similar in that we're talking about the same game (pretty much) but not much beyond that

 

[Skippy27]

What makes a cue a break cue? You tell us, specialty cue expert.

Why did you not answer my first question concerning your cue? The one you put the tip on for the purpose of breaking and jumping.

You and I both know why you won't answer the questions directly, but let's see. If you go to any site that sells break and/or jump sticks what is the one single thing that virtually every single one of them have in common? They can be made of different woods, have different ferrules, weigh different amounts, have some proprietary shaft gimmicks, but what is the one item that is common to those cues that actually makes them a break/jump cue?

Hint: You can convert ANY standard playing cue into a break/jump cue by adding this or you can convert any break/jump cue into a standard playing cue by removing it. What am I?

 

[Skippy27]

You really should review the rules before posting as you are 100% incorrect.



im sorry, which part am i 100% incorrect about?


h. Jump Cues – The use of jump cues is allowed in Masters Division play.
Be aware that even though Masters’ rules allow for the use of jump cues,
Local League Bylaws or Host Location “house rules” may choose to
limit or strictly prohibit their use.

page 78 of APA manual

I am aware of the rule, which is why what you said was incorrect. Did you not even bother to read what you said to begin with?

 

[Skippy27]

The APA uses the WPA rules on equipment, just so you know.

Can you point me to the reference that specifies this in their manual or website?

 

[lorider]

Why did you not answer my first question concerning your cue? The one you put the tip on for the purpose of breaking and jumping.

You and I both know why you won't answer the questions directly, but let's see. If you go to any site that sells break and/or jump sticks what is the one single thing that virtually every single one of them have in common? They can be made of different woods, have different ferrules, weigh different amounts, have some proprietary shaft gimmicks, but what is the one item that is common to those cues that actually makes them a break/jump cue?

Skippy...i gotta say.i admire your tenacity

Can I answer this question ? Not speaking for the person you quoted but I think the WB tip he referred to is a water buffalo like mine.

Now I believe the answer you want to hear is a hard tip ...right ?

Now a buffalo is a hard tip so you want to assume it would fall into that specialty equipment category.. Well you are assuming wrong Skippy.

A buffalo tip.is designed and marketed at a hard playing tip...not a breaking tip like you want to categorize it. A buffalo tip falls into the same category as a pressed milk dud...triangle...sniper or even kamui hard. They are all designed and marketed as a regular playing item for the majority of shots you encounter in pool.if I decide to put a kamui hard on a regular player and use It to jump...that does not turn that tip into a specialty item as you are claiming.

If j put a white diamond...phenolic....or.any other tip " designed " .. Key word here.. And marketed as a breaking tip on a playing cue and used it then you would have a legitimate argument.

Why you keep ignoring that key word...designed...is beyond me

What if j replaced my tip with a kamui super soft and used it only on jump shots . Would it turn k to a specialty item also simply because I only used it on specialty shots.

Does that example make you realize the error of your interpretation ? If it don't then there is no hope for you

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

Why did you not answer my first question concerning your cue? The one you put the tip on for the purpose of breaking and jumping.

You and I both know why you won't answer the questions directly, but let's see. If you go to any site that sells break and/or jump sticks what is the one single thing that virtually every single one of them have in common? They can be made of different woods, have different ferrules, weigh different amounts, have some proprietary shaft gimmicks, but what is the one item that is common to those cues that actually makes them a break/jump cue?

Hint: You can convert ANY standard playing cue into a break/jump cue by adding this or you can convert any break/jump cue into a standard playing cue by removing it. What am I?

I did answer the question directly. I put a WB tip on the cue, pretty much the exact same cue tip that comes on any off the shelf Schon cue. So I guess, by your logic, you'd like Schons considered a specialty cue, as they themselves install these magical tips?

And actually, you're totally wrong on the ONE thing that makes a cue a jumper, vs a jump/break, vs a standard cue. A jump/break has a two or three section butt - refer to cues such as the Icebreaker, the Bunjee Blaster, Sledgehammer, etc. Multi section butts. Now, you're also going to argue the phenolic tip - that would also be wrong. Samsara jump breaks come with their own layered LEATHER tip. The Pechauer break cue also comes with their own leather tip. Rick Howard still puts water buffalo tips on the Mace.

Sure, you can add a phenolic tip and make any cue jump better. I'd argue whether it makes the cue break better. I still prefer leather on a break cue. Which is why I have leather on my break cue. But my cues would conform with the stated rules you have posted. Me choosing a hard tip on my cues is really none of your freaking business, when it comes to a league match. If you are going to say that changing a tip on a cue constitutes modifying a cue into a "specialty cue", that's a leap.

Anything else I need to answer for you, Skip? Or can you just admit you're wrong? One guy telling 20 they're wrong seems like a stretch, doesn't it?

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

Can you point me to the reference that specifies this in their manual or website?

Can you point me to the rule that states where you'll play your matches every week? Location, time, etc? Manual or website references would be appreciated.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

My cue has a WB tip on it. Very similar to the standard tip on a Schon. I guess all Schon cues should be considered specialty cues that aren't allowed for use in the APA...

What makes a cue a break cue? You tell us, specialty cue expert. You're the one deeming which cues are and aren't legal. If I was to define a break cue, it's a cue with a phenolic tip, or one piece tip/ferrule combo. But again, I really don't care. I just like poking holes in your "expertise".

Why did you not answer my first question concerning your cue? The one you put the tip on for the purpose of breaking and jumping.

You and I both know why you won't answer the questions directly, but let's see. If you go to any site that sells break and/or jump sticks what is the one single thing that virtually every single one of them have in common? They can be made of different woods, have different ferrules, weigh different amounts, have some proprietary shaft gimmicks, but what is the one item that is common to those cues that actually makes them a break/jump cue?

Hint: You can convert ANY standard playing cue into a break/jump cue by adding this or you can convert any break/jump cue into a standard playing cue by removing it. What am I?

Btw, skip....I answered the question you ask here in the original post you quoted. Phenolic tip. And I'm the one that doesn't answer questions directly?

Duh.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

Can you point me to the reference that specifies this in their manual or website?

https://youtu.be/N16YkjFVAyE?t=103

 

[Skippy27]

Skippy...i gotta say.i admire your tenacity

Can I answer this question ? Not speaking for the person you quoted but I think the WB tip he referred to is a water buffalo like mine.

Thanks, but you are referring to the wrong one. You are speaking of his playing stick, not the one he converted to a specialized stick. Which as you see he once again avoided admitting.