small investment on a cue please help

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knish4242

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im looking to spend around 1200.00 on a cue. im not going to play with it. all i want to do is sit on the cue and see if the cue generates more value. i was looking into a samsara cue but i cant find any good info.

please list some of the cuemakers cues that hold value well and will be able to sell easy enough. ty joe
 
Bluegrass

There's a Richard Harris bluegrass wrap less cue for sale on here for $1000... That cue will hold its value well IMO. I also like the aforementioned makers, I would add mike bender-any cue maker that doesn't build any cue under 1000 would be a great bet IMO-problem with makers that make inexpensive cues is that it floods the resale market and lowers the price.

If you see a lot of them on the market, I'd stay away from them...purely from an investment standpoint.

I would also look at cue makers that are aging...cuz when they retire, the values obviously go up.

There's a ton of great cue makers, do your research, cue market is EXTREMELY FINICKY, it's easy to make mistakes, u gotta really know what u r doing-

I personally would go with a custom cue maker that puts out much fewer cues per year than , say...what you are looking at.
 
knish4242 said:
im looking to spend around 1200.00 on a cue. im not going to play with it. all i want to do is sit on the cue and see if the cue generates more value. i was looking into a samsara cue but i cant find any good info.

please list some of the cuemakers cues that hold value well and will be able to sell easy enough. ty joe
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Samsara make great cues, but are not "investments". Maybe once the makers pass away they would go up in value.
 
Friend

Hi Joe, a friend of mine has two really nice Titlist conversions by Andy Gilbert, both have Ivory joints and are very close to your price range.Call me or PM me if interested.
 
only dead cue makers and those retiring soon. and only famous ones that have been famous for a long time.

joss west
the first palmers
paradice
rambow

those may be in your low price range.
 
Whatever you buy, also consider that the size and straightness of the shafts should be a consideration. In many cases, some higher end cues for sale at what appear to be a great price end up being hard to trade/sell later if the shafts are not close to 13mm.

In the price range you are speaking of, I would consider the following (they don't pop up every day in your price range, but would be good buys at $1200:

- Scruggs with points (likely not to have veneers)
- Mottey
- Early JW with points
- Early Joss (block engraving) with points
- Schick not so true sneaky (butt cap and joint collars)
- Nice early Schon (sharp points) with inlays, preferably ebony forearm
 
Suggestions for the older vintage cues might be good to consider. The market for many of them is definitely down right now, so there are some real bargains out there if you look around. A little bit of a gamble, though, as to when/if that market will come back.
 
Buy something that you (or the forum) think might have a slim chance of going up in value, but while you are waiting to cash in make it your main player.

That way you can't lose
 
I have a perfect investment cue here.

http://www.keithkues.com/available/

2nd cue down is an old Keith with a bunch of gold in it.

I will guarantee this cue to go up in value based on the gold alone! Might have to come up just a little bit on your investing price, but if you want a sound investment, this would be the one. Unless gold tanks in value (highly unlikely) this cue will only increase in value. You can PM me if you want to talk a little more about this one.

best,

Justin
 
Buy when gold is high?

Interesting investment strategy.


I will guarantee this cue to go up in value based on the gold alone!
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I am guessing you are not a commodities trader.


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There are numerous aspects to consider when addressing the question as posed. Since it was asked in a way that seems completely emotionally detached from the art I first have to wonder why anybody would feel a pool cue in general is a good investment opportunity. In general they are not.


Many of the "safer bets" have already been named, but there are others.

First, there are numerous cues that might keep up with inflation. Speculating on which ones will beat it is another matter. Speculating which ones would be the best investments is even still another matter.

I have some very low end cues that are almost certainly better investments than almost any of the high end stuff. That's based on the raw percent return and nothing else. Most people talking cues won't even give such a thing any notice though, even though they are easily returning several hundred percent increase in value.

A Samsara? Probably not one that I would be looking at.

New?
Used?
Old?
Recent?

Which is best? Many cues revered for their value are already inflated, they won't gain much ground. Predicting which ones will is the trick.

Information gathering here is a good start. I would also talk one-on-one with at least a couple of experienced cue dealers, people with a track record in dealing with such cues. In the end it may not be the best strategy to buy from such a person though.....it may be "safer" but may not guarantee the best return. They do have their "mark-up" after all, and the cue is already in the "mainstream". Ultimately if you can learn enough about the cues the best return can be found buying on the open market by finding a cue before it enters the dealer's hands. In other words...buy low...as low as possible. The risk? If you aren't an expert you are more likely to make an error in judgement.


So...I don't think there is any quick or automatic answer to the question. I think it's simply important to learn as much as possible before making a decision.




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Wrong, wrong, wrong.:p

I recommend higher end.

Gus
Balabushka
Searing

Otherwise you are throwing your money away. 1200 for an investment cue is silly, IMO.

Like most things IMO, the best always gets the money. The buyers for Gus and Georges cues dont go away.

Look at cues that command premimum, the buyers are always there.

Save your money.

Ken
 
richard black

what do you guys think of a richard black cue. i can get one in my price range but if i want to sell it do you think i will have aproblem geting my money back. cue has a leather wrap 2 shafts. let me know ty
 
knish4242 said:
what do you guys think of a richard black cue. i can get one in my price range but if i want to sell it do you think i will have aproblem geting my money back. cue has a leather wrap 2 shafts. let me know ty
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Richard Black was a hot cue a few years ago. IMO, he has fallen out of favor and dont command premimum prices.

The other ones were Southwest cues and Gina. I find Southwest cues are the easiest of the lower cost cues to sell.

Ken
 
Chopdoc said:
Buy when gold is high?

Interesting investment strategy.




I am guessing you are not a commodities trader.


.

There are numerous aspects to consider when addressing the question as posed. Since it was asked in a way that seems completely emotionally detached from the art I first have to wonder why anybody would feel a pool cue in general is a good investment opportunity. In general they are not.


Many of the "safer bets" have already been named, but there are others.

First, there are numerous cues that might keep up with inflation. Speculating on which ones will beat it is another matter. Speculating which ones would be the best investments is even still another matter.

I have some very low end cues that are almost certainly better investments than almost any of the high end stuff. That's based on the raw percent return and nothing else. Most people talking cues won't even give such a thing any notice though, even though they are easily returning several hundred percent increase in value.

A Samsara? Probably not one that I would be looking at.

New?
Used?
Old?
Recent?

Which is best? Many cues revered for their value are already inflated, they won't gain much ground. Predicting which ones will is the trick.

Information gathering here is a good start. I would also talk one-on-one with at least a couple of experienced cue dealers, people with a track record in dealing with such cues. In the end it may not be the best strategy to buy from such a person though.....it may be "safer" but may not guarantee the best return. They do have their "mark-up" after all, and the cue is already in the "mainstream". Ultimately if you can learn enough about the cues the best return can be found buying on the open market by finding a cue before it enters the dealer's hands. In other words...buy low...as low as possible. The risk? If you aren't an expert you are more likely to make an error in judgement.


So...I don't think there is any quick or automatic answer to the question. I think it's simply important to learn as much as possible before making a decision.




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It would depend on what he gets the cue for. I.E. if he buys the cue at $1600, the gold alone is worth that. I'm thinking if you can buy this cue with equity in it already you would be sitting pretty darn good.

I'm not a commodity trader, but every 5 minutes I see a comercial saying gold is only going up. sell now, and cash in, etc. I really don't know much about it at all. This isn't my cue, and I think it can be had for some where in that $1600 dollar range.

Of course I'm with you that a cue as an investment long or short term just doesn't seem like smart investing to me. I think you'd be better finding a game at the pool room. Just my opinion of course.

either way cheers, Chop!

best,

Justin
 
knish4242 said:
im looking to spend around 1200.00 on a cue. im not going to play with it. all i want to do is sit on the cue and see if the cue generates more value. i was looking into a samsara cue but i cant find any good info.

please list some of the cuemakers cues that hold value well and will be able to sell easy enough. ty joe
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PM sent. Several Samsara cues available.
 
So you have your answer for a quick flip anyway. Buy the Keith cue, burn it and save and sell the gold for a profit, then you will have more than your initial investment. After all he did say he would "guarantee" it! Just busting your chops!
 
Let me state again Runde, buy what ever you can find from this fine cue maker--his cues that he made before leaving Schon are starting to demand pretty good money--not like Gus--or Balabushka our who ever--but the cues he is making right now hit so damn good--He will probably keep making cue until he can't anymore-( he's getting on up there age wise)-but he is also cutting back on the ones he is making--A good freind of mine (an old road partner) came by a few months ago and had 5 of his cues--He deals in higher in cues and laid the Runde cues out on my Centenial --They all hit as well as my Szamboti--the cheapest was around 1200 bucks and the real pretty one he had with Ivory joint was around 1600--and it hit real sweet. Over time I feel people will wake up to the fact that Runde builds cues that are comparable to the best that have ever been made--as far as function is concerned--and his craftsmanship is right on the mark as well
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