smoking ban and the effect on poolhalls??
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Yes sir! Yes sir! Yes sir! Right away sir! (Jeez!)
Yes sir! Yes sir! Yes sir! Right away sir! (Jeez!)
This is probably the longest post anyone will ever see from me.
too many folks that enjoy the effects of inhaling that substance, especially while playing pool.
Those prying bastards!
put that "sometimes" clause in there. That's freedom in it's finest form.
outsourcing myself. It seems a lot easier and cheaper to get the f*** out of this place. "Signs, Signs, everywhere theres signs. Messing up the scenery, breaking my mind. Do this, don't do that. Can't you read the signs?"
If they feel there is a market for a non-smoking pool room, they
are free to open one and compete. What an idea, almost like
freedom!
Russ Chewning said:
Yes sir! Yes sir! Yes sir! Right away sir! (Jeez!)
This is probably the longest post anyone will ever see from me.
Now I wish I ignored all of them.Russ Chewning said:
I have never tried opium, so I am not qualified to answer that one. Got any?Was it "anti-American" (versus "un-American"..) for the U.S. government to ban smoking opium back in the days of the old West?
NO. I feel that was the correct thing to do, as I doubt there are
too many folks that enjoy the effects of inhaling that substance, especially while playing pool.
NO. And I am not aware of one log that complained.
Any farmer who leaks in the water supply is a disgrace.
I'll take a 0 on that one.
NO. They should not be allowed to print anyone's address.
Those prying bastards!
NO, It's OK as long as they
put that "sometimes" clause in there. That's freedom in it's finest form.
I know, I'm a victim of
outsourcing myself. It seems a lot easier and cheaper to get the f*** out of this place. "Signs, Signs, everywhere theres signs. Messing up the scenery, breaking my mind. Do this, don't do that. Can't you read the signs?"
Then ban non-smokers from the smoking pool halls, or at least warn them. If they want to avoid the place they can.
If they feel there is a market for a non-smoking pool room, they
are free to open one and compete. What an idea, almost like
freedom!
Some food for thought...
What I have learned from this post and the many others before it are...........
Most of the posters / complainers about the soon to be everywhere smoking bans are the addicted smokers !!! Surprise Surprise! 
They are not going to listen to any reasonable argument that is contrary to their need to be able to smoke whenever and wherever they feel the urge to light up regardless of others opinions desires or the effect their nasty and dangerous habit has on others !
In their mind everyone else should not complain about secondary smoke / Cancer dangers and the nasty smells left on our clothes as long as these smokers can continue to INDULGE THEIR ADDICTION unimpeded by reason or others rights to healthy indulgence of the sport of pool !
What I have learned from this post and the many others before it are...........
Most of the posters / complainers about the soon to be everywhere smoking bans are the addicted smokers !!! Surprise Surprise! They are not going to listen to any reasonable argument that is contrary to their need to be able to smoke whenever and wherever they feel the urge to light up regardless of others opinions desires or the effect their nasty and dangerous habit has on others !
In their mind everyone else should not complain about secondary smoke / Cancer dangers and the nasty smells left on our clothes as long as these smokers can continue to INDULGE THEIR ADDICTION unimpeded by reason or others rights to healthy indulgence of the sport of pool !
MrLucky said:What I have learned from this post and the many others before it are...........
They are not going to listen to any reasonable argument that is contrary to their need to be able to enforce their beliefs whenever and wherever they feel the urge to offer their opinion around right and wrong !
In their mind everyone else should not complain about their obvious right to tell others how to live / It's unfathomable that they might possibly be able to comprehend the fact that everyone within they eye and earshot should be willing to live their own life. Additionally, these non-smokers could simply choose to avoid businesses that support smoking, giving their money to those that share their beliefs. It's more American to just ban things you don't like and enforce your way of life
Fixed it fer ya.....aloha Lucky
your choice
what it boils down to is you have the choice to go there or not, if you want to smoke then find somewhere else to go play...I personally would like not to smell like smoke when I leave the pool hall, but it's my choice to go in and play...unfortunately the owners are the ones who suffer...
what it boils down to is you have the choice to go there or not, if you want to smoke then find somewhere else to go play...I personally would like not to smell like smoke when I leave the pool hall, but it's my choice to go in and play...unfortunately the owners are the ones who suffer...
OH MY GOD, IT TOOK 66 POSTS FOR SOMEONE (THANKS TO GUTZ) TO FINALLY REALIZE WHAT I WAS SAYING TO BEGIN WITH .Gutz said:
AS I SAID, IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE A BIG ****ING ARGUMENT , JUST AN OBSERVATION OF WHAT IS CURRENTLY GOING ON HERE IN CINCY AT ONE PARTICULAR POOLHALL I WAS AT ON ONE PARTICULAR SATURDAY NITE.
I'LL NEVER BRING IT UP AGAIN
AND SCREW SOME OF THE RUDE PEOPLE THAT ARE PRETTY BRAVE BEHIND A COMPUTER
NOW, I'LL GET BACK "INTO MY PLACE"
WHATEVER THAT'S SUPPOSED TO MEAN
MrLucky said:What I have learned from this post and the many others before it are...........
They are not going to listen to any reasonable argument that is contrary to their need to be able to smoke whenever and wherever they feel the urge to light up regardless of others opinions desires or the effect their nasty and dangerous habit has on others !
In their mind everyone else should not complain about secondary smoke / Cancer dangers and the nasty smells left on our clothes as long as these smokers can continue to INDULGE THEIR ADDICTION unimpeded by reason or others rights to healthy indulgence of the sport of pool !
Here, here!! and There, there, for that matter!
You don't want to know my opinion!!!
I am trying to avoid being Controversial here, but it is getting harder ....
Everyone has personal choices to make, and it is their choices, not anyone elses. Don't like smoke, just don't go there. Live and let live is a good motto to live by. So is Don't Tread on me.
Lets see, I can see the Armed Forces telling the military personnel they can no longer smoke, especially in a war zone ..... LOL
I fought for my country, 3 tours of Nam, and I'll be damned if I will let some pansy non-smokers tell me how to live my life.
(fades out as Frank Sinatra's, 'That's Life' is playing in the background.
I am trying to avoid being Controversial here, but it is getting harder ....
Everyone has personal choices to make, and it is their choices, not anyone elses. Don't like smoke, just don't go there. Live and let live is a good motto to live by. So is Don't Tread on me.
Lets see, I can see the Armed Forces telling the military personnel they can no longer smoke, especially in a war zone ..... LOL
I fought for my country, 3 tours of Nam, and I'll be damned if I will let some pansy non-smokers tell me how to live my life.
(fades out as Frank Sinatra's, 'That's Life' is playing in the background.
Interesting thread. I'm not going to comment on what the government should or should not get involved with, but I will tell you that I am a prior pool room owner. 18 gold crowns and a bar. Someone mentioned they would like to hear from some room owners so I'll tell you how I feel personally.
I sold the business before these non smoking laws came into effect but I'll say that the smoke in our room was disgusting. We ended up purchasing quite a few smoke eaters that were neither inexpensive or totally effective. I hated the smoke. Besides coughing up garbage all night at home, my cloths stunk of smoke. I wish we would have been able to ban it on our own without listening to a ton of $h@# every two minutes and trying to enforce it every two seconds. (It was hard enough to enforce male players to wear their pants around their waist instead of their knees.)
IMO the no smoking law did one thing for sure, right or wrong in terms of government involvement it made the rooms cleaner, healthier and more attractive to spend time in.
Now, I have occasion to go to a few local rooms from time to time as I've been playing since I was a small kid and still enjoy the game. Now that its easier to breath with all that clean air, all that's left is that ridiculous NOISE POLLUTION. If they would just turn down that garbage they call music to a reasonable sound level I may not be grabbing for my jacket at 9pm when it becomes headache city and you can't even hold a conversation with someone right next to you without screaming.
MY OPINION? Ya need the smoke OUT of the pool rooms and the animals IN the zoo. Then ya got it licked! After all, the government did make a law against shooting these bas#@%s without asking us. Damned regulators.
I sold the business before these non smoking laws came into effect but I'll say that the smoke in our room was disgusting. We ended up purchasing quite a few smoke eaters that were neither inexpensive or totally effective. I hated the smoke. Besides coughing up garbage all night at home, my cloths stunk of smoke. I wish we would have been able to ban it on our own without listening to a ton of $h@# every two minutes and trying to enforce it every two seconds. (It was hard enough to enforce male players to wear their pants around their waist instead of their knees.)
IMO the no smoking law did one thing for sure, right or wrong in terms of government involvement it made the rooms cleaner, healthier and more attractive to spend time in.
Now, I have occasion to go to a few local rooms from time to time as I've been playing since I was a small kid and still enjoy the game. Now that its easier to breath with all that clean air, all that's left is that ridiculous NOISE POLLUTION. If they would just turn down that garbage they call music to a reasonable sound level I may not be grabbing for my jacket at 9pm when it becomes headache city and you can't even hold a conversation with someone right next to you without screaming.
MY OPINION? Ya need the smoke OUT of the pool rooms and the animals IN the zoo. Then ya got it licked! After all, the government did make a law against shooting these bas#@%s without asking us. Damned regulators.
Snapshot9 said:I am trying to avoid being Controversial here, but it is getting harder ....
Everyone has personal choices to make, and it is their choices, not anyone elses. Don't like smoke, just don't go there. Live and let live is a good motto to live by. So is Don't Tread on me.
Lets see, I can see the Armed Forces telling the military personnel they can no longer smoke, especially in a war zone ..... LOL
I fought for my country, 3 tours of Nam, and I'll be damned if I will let some pansy non-smokers tell me how to live my life.
(fades out as Frank Sinatra's, 'That's Life' is playing in the background.
Soo... Just so I can get it straight, because no one has been forthcoming enough to just come out and say it.
If the situation is such that I live in a small town, with one pool hall, and the next closest pool hall is 20 miles away, and I can't stand the smell of smoke in my clothes, even though I chose not to get addicted.. You are saying you feel that the right of you as a smoker being able to smoke inside the pool hall (versus outside) overrides my right to not have to travel miles out of my way..
Even though you are a minority?
It's a yes or no question. Do the rights of a smoker override the rights of a non smoker, even though the non smoker is a majority?
Yes......Or No?
Russ
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Russ Chewning said:
I wasn't aware this was an intellectual discussion. What's your excuse?
This isn't about the government telling businesses what to do, but free citizens.
As far as your playing pool goes, you can move to another town, not play pool, etc. The choice are really limitless..
Now who said something about this country not being founded on the principal of freedom, but rather it's the democratic process? Were you asleep in history class, man?!?! Democracy was an afterthought. Most of the guys who wrote the US Constitution and Declaration of Independence were terrified of the "tyranny of the masses", but only just so much more terrified of centralized government. The USA is a republic, and was founded as much on the democratic process as buttered bread.
Russ Chewning said:
I couldn't resist the urge to jump in here. This is a false choice, what about the rights of the business owner? When does someone's private property become public?
The other regulatory examples you gave applied in cases where the affected party was unaware of being exposed. That wouldn't apply here.
BTW, I am a non-smoker.
And ANOTHER thing...
Everyone talks about the youth as the future of pool, as in "If we don't get the young people interested in pool, when we die, so does pool."
Question then... Why on EARTH would parents let their kids come in to such a disgusting place that has cigarette odor coming out of the walls, the table cloth, the carpet, etc...etc...etc..
It's NOT that hard for you all to just GO OUTSIDE and smoke!
The more I participate in this thread, the more I believe that those studies I posted earlier were right. The overwhelming majority of smokers ARE antisocial.
Russ
Everyone talks about the youth as the future of pool, as in "If we don't get the young people interested in pool, when we die, so does pool."
Question then... Why on EARTH would parents let their kids come in to such a disgusting place that has cigarette odor coming out of the walls, the table cloth, the carpet, etc...etc...etc..
It's NOT that hard for you all to just GO OUTSIDE and smoke!
The more I participate in this thread, the more I believe that those studies I posted earlier were right. The overwhelming majority of smokers ARE antisocial.
Russ
PKM said:
They have a right to conduct business according to the law. If society as a whole, or local government decides that it is not in the best interest to limit business's income by allowing smokers to dominate available businesses, then they can, will and HAVE change(d) the law to make it happen.
And the businesses will have every right to operate under the new laws. The only "right" business owners have is as a voter. ONE vote, or how ever many votes are applicable in a partnership. That's IT.
If the rest of society disagrees with the business owner on what the best laws are in respect to that business, guess who's going to lose?
Fight it if you must, but it is coming. It's just a matter of how long. Give it enough time, and smokers will be a small enough minority that what they think about the laws won't even matter. I can hardly wait.
I believe you! No, seriously! I do!
Russ
Ahhhh !!!
btw, A pool hall like any other business is not PRIVATE property ! just a little FYI ! For instance if the pool hall serves food it must be licensed ! it must pass city / county inspections or its shut down ! The only PRIVATE businesses that can defy / remain outside of control are PRIVATE CLUBS with a membership FEE !
PKM said:
btw, A pool hall like any other business is not PRIVATE property ! just a little FYI ! For instance if the pool hall serves food it must be licensed ! it must pass city / county inspections or its shut down ! The only PRIVATE businesses that can defy / remain outside of control are PRIVATE CLUBS with a membership FEE !
MrLucky said:Too bad you can't fix a dying cancer victim as easily as changing my post!
BAM! MrLucky just stuck it so bad to Big Perm that I hear words in the background..
Big Perm... I'm gonna ask you a question.. And I want you to be honest with me....
Do you think I need to lose some weight?
Russ
3andstop said:
hey, thanks for jumping in and offering a constructive point of view.
i wish the whole thread went that way, but, we all know how that goes.
my next thread may be about smartasses behind computers
or the pants around the ankles thing, a pet peave of mine
there's one place in town where i feel abnormal because i wear a belt
and my plumber crack isn't showing
at least i hope not
i wish the whole thread went that way, but, we all know how that goes.
my next thread may be about smartasses behind computers
or the pants around the ankles thing, a pet peave of mine
there's one place in town where i feel abnormal because i wear a belt
and my plumber crack isn't showing
at least i hope not
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