Smoking bans causes more DUI deaths

[robertno1pool]

Smoking Ban

I guess the same group could conclude:

1) Smoking ban causes global warming.

2) Smoking ban causes oil prices to hit $130.00 + per barrel.

3) Smoking ban reduces likelihood that Jimbo will return:

. . . . . . . . . . . AZ Forum.

4) . . . . . . . . . . . Inside Pool Mag Forum.

5) Smoking ban reduces possibility of running over 525 balls in 14.1 at a public exhibition.

6) Smoking ban causes posters to start posting "first" and "second" to new posts on AZ forum.

7) Peeing ban should be lifted.

8) Canabalism is needed to reduce hunger.

9) Statistics are cr@p.

 

[lodini]

lodini dear, I see you live in Miami. If you work five days a week and walk outside for lunch, you will inhale more harmful carcinogens than if you sat next to a heavy smoker for two years. Smoking is a stupid, smelly, disgusting habit, but to call it "life threatening" is pure bulls**t!!!

Dick

PS If second hand smoke killed, we'd all be dead.

Great... why don't you go sit next to a heavy smoker all the time for the next two years? I, on the other hand, will take my chances living in Miami. Good luck with that!

Did anyone else just hear him say that smoking isn't life-threatening?

 

[ScottW]

Did anyone else just hear him say that smoking isn't life-threatening?

Yeah, I think my mom heard him.

Oh, wait. She's dead. From emphysema, caused by smoking.

 

[OneArmed]

I was in downtown Seattle recently. I pretty much explored downtown on foot, but noticed the funniest thing.

I would puff on a smoke as I'm walking, and people 20 feet away would give those little fake coughs, and smoking nazi looks of disgust.

One time, we were waiting for a "walk" light to cross the intersection. Several diesel buses, 18-wheeler, and other smoke emitting trucks and cars went by, without so much as a wheeze or a cough to this little yuppy lady next to me. I lit up a smoke, and she started fake coughing like crazy.

Secondhand smoke is an irrational fear some have. I have no doubt there is some harm that comes from being exposed to it day in and day out, however, sitting on the intersection being pummeled with exhaust from a truck would have much more harmful effect than the 5 seconds I lit up a cig outside. Not to mention air pollution from industry...

It sucks watching pool halls die in the Twin Cities after the ban went in affect several months ago. If the free market could determine it, there would be voluntary smoke free establishments. The nanny state won't stop there.

I submitted a Bill to the MN House last year, after the MN smoking ban "Freedom to Breathe Act" was approved, banning smoking everywhere for the most part. I nominated that all Minnesotans should be required to wear helmets in the months of November to April when walking on public sidewalks, due to the icy conditions outside. A citizen may fall down and sustain a head injury, and being that it is the Nanny State's job to protect our health, this should be a requirement. Where do all these laws stop?

 

[branpureza]

Secondhand smoke is an irrational fear some have.

What is irrational about being afraid of something that causes thousands of people to die each year?

I submitted a Bill to the MN House last year, after the MN smoking ban "Freedom to Breathe Act" was approved, banning smoking everywhere for the most part. I nominated that all Minnesotans should be required to wear helmets in the months of November to April when walking on public sidewalks, due to the icy conditions outside. A citizen may fall down and sustain a head injury, and being that it is the Nanny State's job to protect our health, this should be a requirement. Where do all these laws stop?

Haha... wow, you must have showed them. Or either they just dismissed it and threw it in the trash with all the other nonsense they get.

You might come close to a parallel if your helmet wearing people met 2 criteria:

1. These people chose to spray Pam on the bottom of their shoes before walking on the icy sidewalk.

2. When they fell they made everyone else around them stumble and fall too.


Can anyone post anything that makes sense as to why people that don't smoke should have to tolerate having to inhale the stank, cancerous fumes that smokers create? I don't think so...

 

[Schwinn]

Thanks for the laugh. Anyone with any scientific training knows that this is a bogus argument. It's correlational and circumstantial. Besides, even if you do make this flawed argument, all it supports is that smoking bans should be universal.


Ice cream and violent crimes are correlated too. Guess you should put away the vanilla chocolate chip

 

[OneArmed]

Can anyone post anything that makes sense as to why people that don't smoke should have to tolerate having to inhale the stank, cancerous fumes that smokers create? I don't think so...

You don't have to visit a private establishment. I completely agree with smoking bans in public buildings like libraries, the DMV, or a courthouse.

Just because you are annoyed by secondhand smoke, doesn't mean that you should be able ban something in a private business.

I personally am annoyed all to hell by people that drink alcohol. It makes people mean, it KILLS via drunk driving, makes people stink, increases violence, and is very unhealthy, just as much as smoking. However, it is my choice if I want to be around nasty drunks or not. I'm not up in arms calling for the government to ban public drinking because it is unsafe, or dangerous. I would rather live free.

I often choose to shoot pool at a room with no alcohol so I don't have to deal with it. Especially when the pool hall industry is struggling, I wouldn't even think to lobby for a ban of it.

 

[lodini]

I personally am annoyed all to hell by people that drink alcohol. It makes people mean, it KILLS via drunk driving, makes people stink, increases violence, and is very unhealthy, just as much as smoking. However, it is my choice if I want to be around nasty drunks or not. I'm not up in arms calling for the government to ban public drinking because it is unsafe, or dangerous. I would rather live free.

I often choose to shoot pool at a room with no alcohol so I don't have to deal with it. Especially when the pool hall industry is struggling, I wouldn't even think to lobby for a ban of it.

Wow, if I read that correctly, it looks like you are saying people who are killed via drunk driving had a choice not to be around drunks?

Drunk driving is illegal. Drinking is not. Drunk driving kills people that aren't drinking. Drinking does not. Smoking kills people that aren't smoking. Therefore, they are making it illegal. Makes sense to me.

And again, no one is saying they are in favor of the smoking ban because smokers "annoy" them... if your argument truly is that drinkers "annoy" you and that's the same thing, then you have no argument.

 

[Roger Long]

Smoking bans do not cause alcohol related automobile accidents; drinking and driving is what causes them. If EVERYONE would stop drinking and driving, there would be no more alcohol related automobile accidents.

Smoking bans do not cause pool rooms to go out of business; smokers who stop frequenting pool rooms because they can no longer smoke there are what helps them to go out of business. If EVERYONE kept playing pool, regardless of being able to smoke or not smoke, there would be fewer pool rooms go out of business.

Roger

 

[WONPOCKET99]

The "negative Image Of Pool" Not What U Think

The Supposed "bad Image" Of Pool Halls As Places Where Evil Gambling Occurs Does Not Follow Logic. America Is In Love With Gambling. Casinos Are Everywhere You Look, Soon Every State Will Have A Lottery, Vegas Is Almost Worshipped As Mecca, And The Popularity Of Poker Has Skyrocketed. So What Is The Negative Part Of Pool Halls?

Smoking

Universally Hated As Filthy, Even By Most Smokers. Why Don't You Smokers Ask Yourselves Why You Take Up The Nonsmoking Rooms In Hotels And Smoke In Them? I Cannot Sleep In My Sheets After Playing Pool Due To Being Covered In Filth. I Have To Shower And If I Do Not Wash The Clothes Immediately I Have To Put Them Into A Bag. It Is Immoral To Force Smoking On Others.

 

[Pii]

I was in downtown Seattle recently. I pretty much explored downtown on foot, but noticed the funniest thing.

I would puff on a smoke as I'm walking, and people 20 feet away would give those little fake coughs, and smoking nazi looks of disgust.

One time, we were waiting for a "walk" light to cross the intersection. Several diesel buses, 18-wheeler, and other smoke emitting trucks and cars went by, without so much as a wheeze or a cough to this little yuppy lady next to me. I lit up a smoke, and she started fake coughing like crazy.

Secondhand smoke is an irrational fear some have. I have no doubt there is some harm that comes from being exposed to it day in and day out, however, sitting on the intersection being pummeled with exhaust from a truck would have much more harmful effect than the 5 seconds I lit up a cig outside. Not to mention air pollution from industry...

It sucks watching pool halls die in the Twin Cities after the ban went in affect several months ago. If the free market could determine it, there would be voluntary smoke free establishments. The nanny state won't stop there.

I submitted a Bill to the MN House last year, after the MN smoking ban "Freedom to Breathe Act" was approved, banning smoking everywhere for the most part. I nominated that all Minnesotans should be required to wear helmets in the months of November to April when walking on public sidewalks, due to the icy conditions outside. A citizen may fall down and sustain a head injury, and being that it is the Nanny State's job to protect our health, this should be a requirement. Where do all these laws stop?

They're not protecting your health they are protecting the ones that choose not to smoke. Silly smoker.

The fact is you smokers are addicted to a powerful drug and like any drug addict you only care about yourself and your next fix.

I don't see you all *****ing about the EPA, FDA and many others that are here to protect us and even you but take away your drugs and OH MY GOD!!! everyone is a nazi.

Wake up get off the drugs.

 

[Pii]

"U have the right to not go into a smokey bar and i should have the right to light up if i want too."

I see this stupid remark all the time from smokers. My question is what give you first pick? If non smokers are there first do you leave??

I'm guessing not.

 

[TXsouthpaw]

Mann you nonsmokers sure are a self rightous bunch. Worse than my uncle the born again christian. Just because you dont smoke is no reason to push it onto me. Pool rooms historically have been smokey places. U dont see smokers trying to force churces to allow them to smoke but u see nonsmokers trying to come to a smokey place and force their ways on us.

And as for secondhand smoke, the people who die from it are doing it to themselves (usually). No one forced them to hang out in smokey bars for 20 years DUI is worse, ive never heard of seconhand smoke killing a family of 4 all at once. Including innocent children who've never set foot in a bar.

 

[lodini]

Mann you nonsmokers sure are a self rightous bunch.

Funny question... but what makes you think everyone here who agrees with the smoking ban is a non-smoker?

I was smoking regularly when they first banned smoking in NYC... and I went outside! No big deal, plus it made me feel good not to force my smoke down the throats of my non-smoking friends.

 

[DoubleA]

Whoooo that got some quick responses, gotta love living in a democacy.
theyve tried to ban smoking twice locally and its been voted down twice.
U have the right to not go into a smokey bar and i should have the right to light up if i want too.



this is gonna be good

Smoking is not a right,it is a privelege that ends when it effects my health as I exercize my right to the pursuit of happiness.

 

[Russ Chewning]

U dont see smokers trying to force churces to allow them to smoke but u see nonsmokers trying to come to a smokey place and force their ways on us.

Because the whole thing about "church" is peer pressure to treat your fellow man as you would wanted to be treated were the roles reversed. Virtually 100% of smokers KNOW it is not very nice to smoke around nonsmokers, and church is the one place you can't get away with not being very nice, without someone getting in your face about it.

And as for secondhand smoke, the people who die from it are doing it to themselves (usually). No one forced them to hang out in smokey bars for 20 years.

So, I want to ask you a question, and I WANT YOU TO ANSWER IT.. NOT ignore it because it would make you look bad.

If I am getting very good at pool, and I want better competition, and my state happens to still allow smoking in pool halls, and the nearest nonsmoking poolhall is 300 miles away, are you saying I should give up the game if I have asthma and cannot physically remain in an enclosed area with smoke so thick you can't see more than 20 feet?

I just want to be clear on how selfish you really are. I mean jesus christ... No one is asking for anything more than for you to step out on the patio.

Russ

 

[Hierovision]

Just because you dont smoke is no reason to push it onto me.

Are you kidding me?? That's one very powerful argument FOR smoking bans. Good job.

And as for secondhand smoke, the people who die from it are doing it to themselves (usually). No one forced them to hang out in smokey bars for 20 years DUI is worse, ive never heard of seconhand smoke killing a family of 4 all at once. Including innocent children who've never set foot in a bar.

They aren't doing it to themselves, the smokers around them are doing it to them. Tobacco is a pointless, vile, irritable, and harmful habit that has negative affects on the smoker and those nearby yet here you are comparing it to DUI. If you really want to compare it, both of these things should NEVER HAPPEN. DUI is a vile horrendous crime. Secondhand smoke is still vile and horrendous, just on a less intense level.

Imagine 1000 years from now how incredibly stupid smokers will look in our descendents' eyes. You are purposefully igniting an addictive substance and inhaling its smoke filled with chemicals that will almost assuredly KILL you later in life, that has also been proven to have negative affects on those in the immediate area. That alone is enough for them to thank their lucky stars that they live in a smoke-free society.

By the way, that's exactly where we're headed in our lifetime (unless you die from emphysema or cancer before then) so you might as well get used to smoking exclusively in your house and save the rest of us from having to wait for it to be illegal for you to smoke in a public-serving place.

Good luck.

 

[TXsouthpaw]

If I am getting very good at pool, and I want better competition, and my state happens to still allow smoking in pool halls, and the nearest nonsmoking poolhall is 300 miles away, are you saying I should give up the game if I have asthma and cannot physically remain in an enclosed area with smoke so thick you can't see more than 20 feet?

I just want to be clear on how selfish you really are. I mean jesus christ... No one is asking for anything more than for you to step out on the patio.

Russ

If a physical ailment stops you from playing the sport you want then maybe your in the wrong sport. Asking everyone around you to change just so u can play, Whose being selfish now.

 

[TXsouthpaw]

By the way, that's exactly where we're headed in our lifetime (unless you die from emphysema or cancer before then) so you might as well get used to smoking exclusively in your house and save the rest of us from having to wait for it to be illegal for you to smoke in a public-serving place.

Good luck.

theres a million things in your everyday life that r gonna give you cancer, or it could just be in ur genes. So as long as im here im gonna enjoy and if lighting up is how im gonna do it then thats how im gonna do it.

 

[TXsouthpaw]

You know what they say about arguing on the internet. Yall have your side and I have mine. I dont have to worry bout the ban anytime soon and if yall live where there is one then good for you. That being said im gonna drop it now.