smoking in a pool hall?

justadub said:
Uh...... yeah. Gotcha. That's brilliant.

You're much more likely to be hit by someone smoking than by me.

Ok, as I know how this will play out, I'll drop back out of this and let this continue without me. Now that the NPR crowd is here, I'm not needed in the conversation, as it'll be one-sided from here on out.

G'nite gang.
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It's a statement that shows you how ridiculous your supposed point is.

Every human interaction puts us all at risk.

The guy who eats a Wendy's triple with cheese and bacon 5 times a week might someday have a heart attack and crash through a storefront and kill me ... does that give me a right to ban beef, cheese, and bacon?

LWW
 
Let em go LWW ,we will just have to visit with them when they open their non smoking pool rooms.maybe if we are lucky they will be able to sell a legal hamburger when they get it open.

bill
 
vasilios said:
I thought the smoking thing was settled and they are going to ban the fat people next.

bill
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This is correct. The smoking this has already been settled. Government subsidized diet and exercise is next, which will only make us all hotter and more likely to get laid. So prolly not a bad thing?
 
cueandcushion said:
This is correct. The smoking this has already been settled. Government subsidized diet and exercise is next, which will only make us all hotter and more likely to get laid. So prolly not a bad thing?
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that will slow down health problems and stop the transmission of disease and domestic problems.

bill
 
Freedom means the owner of the business has the right to run his/her business their way. If that is smoke free then they are right and if it is smoker friendly then that is right. And the customer has has the right to patronize the business or not either way. The market place will prevail in the end. It amazes me that the non-smokers want the world their way and are willing to let the smokers have their little piece of the world.
 
Check the Canada Forum. In the 90's there was Seymour Billiards in Vancouver - it got devoured by a highrise. There was the Commodore on Granville Street with a tournament every Sunday where Paul Potier and John Horsfal used to play - to my knowledge the 9 ball scene there has gone. Nothing to do with smoking- that is passe- it is a nation wide trend, same in the States. Its a shame I think. Same as bowling alleys and Drive in Theatres. We are all now sitting at home.
 
I remember a joke back in the 80's. Steve was trying to explain the effects of second-hand smoke on his person...His hair smelling and his clothes, etc.
He stated to Tom, that smoked, "I don't care if you smoke, just don't force me to deal with your smoking residue! I don't drink beer and force you to deal with it's residue". Tom replied, "How's that? There's no residue from drinking beer." Steve explained, "Well there sure is residue. I just don't choose to stand on a chair and pee on your head. I go to the bathroom and put the residue where it belongs."
 
LWW said:
YOU driving on the roads puts me at risk of being hit by YOU because of something YOU are doing.

I hereby demand that YOU be banned from the roads for my safety.

LWW
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Logic? what the heck is that...lol....
 
LWW said:
It's a statement that shows you how ridiculous your supposed point is.

Every human interaction puts us all at risk.

The guy who eats a Wendy's triple with cheese and bacon 5 times a week might someday have a heart attack and crash through a storefront and kill me ... does that give me a right to ban beef, cheese, and bacon?

LWW
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your analogy is flawed (pretty severely). Also, your premise is simply false. Every human interaction does *not* put us at risk. Why would you think that? If you think your analogy is good, you have an extraordinary ignorance for the concept of causality. But we both have been down this road before. Still, for entertainment purposes, it would be more fun if you came up with something logical...

KMRUNOUT
 
No but I am paying for your future heart disease not to mention heart attack!See everyone can make an argument on lifestyle.The gov't wants to change your lifestyle by telling you whats good for you.But in a recent follow up study to the guidelenes put on food for your safety the conclusion was most people don't even look at the guidelines and most people don't care!By the way that was a gov't study!
 
Why is it flawed,because it doesn't support YOUR POINT OF VIEW!?Bet me when I tell you that drinking and driving is a huge risk with related multiple deaths and property damage in the tens of millions of dollars and yet bars serve drinks and people drive.The reason drinking hasen't been banned is that the lobby for booze is huge!
 
4 rooms closed here in metro detroit in the last 3 months and more to come.Like I said in a previous post most people treat pool like they treat bowling just a good time out once in awhile. But its those people who don't come to the room everyday play etc then ***** if the room or table or food isn't want they expect or want.
 
BS What you and your believers don't understand is YOU DON'T OWN THE ROOM! If you don't like the way the room is run or what they are doing in it than leave and you should have to because its not your business.By the way better get your head out of the sand. Most bar and pool room owners accross the country have been effected by the no smoking ban.Also if you leave their will be plenty of players who smoke who take your place!!!@
 
Rocky247 said:
Why is it flawed,because it doesn't support YOUR POINT OF VIEW!?
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Nope...that has nothing to do with it. The analogy erroneously makes a comparison between two events that are causally related (directly) and two events that are not causally related. This is apples and ... tinker toys. Not even in the same category. If you need me to spell it all out, I guess I could...but I think it would be a waste of both of our time.

Rocky247 said:
Bet me when I tell you that drinking and driving is a huge risk with related multiple deaths and property damage in the tens of millions of dollars and yet bars serve drinks and people drive.The reason drinking hasen't been banned is that the lobby for booze is huge!
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The first part of this statement is undoubtedly true. The second part is false. Bars serve drinks because the vast majority of people are able to go out and responsibly have a few drinks, which results in a great business. If you are up for some research...what do you think the result would be if we made the following comparison: Let's compare the rate of life threatening conditions among frequent alcohol users resulting directly from alcohol (include diseases and drunk driving related injuries) to the rate of life threatening conditions among smokers. This would of course be over the course of their lives. What do you think the results might be?

Besides, you're missing the point entirely. People who drink alcohol have the opportunity to drink responsibly, and not let it effect their fellow person in any way whatsoever. Because some fail, that doesn't change the situation for those that never fail at this. Smokers also have the opportunity to prevent their addiction from affecting other people as well, but they *chose* to ignore that capability. Any smoker could always go outside to smoke, and show courtesy to the other people in the place. But they *chose* not to do that, because it inconveniences them. Why do you think that is? I really don't know myself. If I give the character of smokers the benefit of the doubt, I must conclude that they are laboring under one powerful addiction that causes them to ignore the comfort and well being of those around them. That sounds like strong stuff to me. Either that or total ignorance and self centeredness, but again I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt.


KMRUNOUT
 
Do or don't...up to you...

We all have the right to DECIDE how we want to live our lives. Smoke, don’t smoke, go where they allow it or don’t….whatever…..it’s your choice. Well, to be fair, it's your choice IF you have the option of a smoking and a non-smoking pool room.

With that said, let me tell you a simple little story. I was in a (smoking) pool room for league one night. I was sitting down minding my own business, eating a salad that I had ordered. A few minutes into my dinner someone walks up to where I am sitting, puts an ash tray right in front of me, puts his cigarette in the ash tray, and walks away. I politely move the ash tray so the smoke wasn’t blowing directly into my face while I’m eating my food. The person comes back, gets irritated with me for moving the ash tray, and gives me a dirty look. I simply stated I was trying to eat without the smoke in my face and he says, “You are in a bar”, rather rudely. Well no sh*t Sherlock! I couldn’t tell! What the hell kind of argument is that and do you really expect to win with it??? THIS is what I do not like.

My point of the story is that if everyone was courteous, and if everyone even began to think a little about how it affects people around them other than themselves, I doubt the whole smoking ban thing would be this big of an issue. (I know I know…this might only happen in my little fantasy world.) There are some smokers out there that will make sure they don’t blow smoke in your face, or make sure that the line of smoke isn’t directed toward you. I am fortunate to have these kinds of friends. However, there are a lot of smokers that have the “don’t come into my space if you don’t want to smell it” mentality. Even when I was a smoker I never had that mentality. Now I have not smoked in about 5 years and I will admit that ONE of the reasons I don’t frequent the pool rooms is because of the smoking. Smoking is the smoker's bad habit - I do not wish to make it mine (again). It is also my opinion that most pool room owners do not want to spend the money it takes (because it is expensive) on a really good ventilation system. I have no idea if that is true or not – I am just basing this off of what I have seen, heard, and experienced.

You can argue all day long…until you are blue in the face if you want…who is right and who is wrong here. Personally, I do not wish to pollute my lungs with 2nd hand smoke (which IS harmful), so I go to pool rooms only when I have to, and that is MY choice. I do not have an issue with smokers, but smokers can’t say that non-smokers want it their way or no way, without saying the same thing about themselves.

This thread is about smoking…your opinion on banning it or not. It is not about driving, eating fast food, or working out. The Government is trying to do what is best for the people of this country by banning smoking in public establishments. By giving non-smokers the right to simply not smoke against their will in public establishments. This is going to be one of those debates folks will still be having years and years from now.

It is our own responsibility to treat each other as we would be treated. Reverting back to the bible, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

Definition of COURTESY
1
a : behavior marked by polished manners or respect for others : courteous behavior
b : a courteous and respectful act or expression

Just sayin’…. :)

Study up on 2nd hand smoke…..harmful or not…you can decide…
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/tobaccocancer/secondhand-smoke

I sure hope I don’t get reamed for stating my own opinion…

Peace,
Amanda
 
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mandalamps said:
This thread is about smoking…your opinion on banning it or not. It is not about driving, eating fast food, or working out. The Government is trying to do what is best for the people of this country by banning smoking in public establishments. By giving non-smokers the right to simply not smoke against their will in public establishments. This is going to be one of those debates folks will still be having years and years from now.

It is our own responsibility to treat each other as we would be treated. Reverting back to the bible, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

Definition of COURTESY
1
a : behavior marked by polished manners or respect for others : courteous behavior
b : a courteous and respectful act or expression

Just sayin’…. :)

Study up on 2nd hand smoke…..harmful or not…you can decide…
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/tobaccocancer/secondhand-smoke

I sure hope I don’t get reamed for staying my own opinion…

Peace,
Amanda
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The system won't let me rep you again without spreading around some first. So I'll do the tap, tap, tap thing right here, right now. :thumbup:
 
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