Sniper Ice Breaker Tip

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SNIPER ICE BREAKER TIP

Anyone used this tip? Got a customer that wants one and I
have no clue on what the performance is. Anybody got some clues?
Also, where can I buy some, other than from Sniper ($22.95)?

Bob Flynn
denalicues.com
International Cuemakers Assoc.
 
here are some for $18(which is still completely ridiculous,imo),but you can probably find them even cheaper.this is the first link i from google.i had never heard of them and wanted to read about them.

looks like you could drill a small hole in some phenolic and put in a patch of leather and you woud have your own ice breaker.

http://www.ozonebilliards.com/tiicphcuetip.html
 
QMAKER said:
SNIPER ICE BREAKER TIP

Anyone used this tip? Got a customer that wants one and I
have no clue on what the performance is. Anybody got some clues?
Also, where can I buy some, other than from Sniper ($22.95)?

Bob Flynn
denalicues.com
International Cuemakers Assoc.
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Looks like linen phenolic to me.
$22.95?
You can buy more than a foot of that.:)
 
Easy enough to make your own similar tip. Start with a bulletproof ferrule like Iv4 and then install a SuperPro tip or Talisman X-hard. Then drill a 5/16 hole down through the center of the tip into the ferrule. You can even thread it 5/16-18 if you'd like. Then simply make a 5/16-18 tenon from canvas-resin rod and thread it down into the hole. Shape the crown as normal and then after its chalked it looks like a normal laminated tip....except with the superior jump/break performance of the canvas-resin. They's need a CSI team to tell it wasn't a standard leather tip if done correctly. Phenolic tips were illegal in the IPT but did you ever wonder how some players jumped so damn well with a full cue in the IPT?;) :D
 
actually the icebreaker is the reverse of what kevin described. it's leather at the core and phenolic on the outside. i think the idea is that the contact is leather for better control, and the phenolic is supposed to reinforce the leather, making it harder than just a pure leather tip. haven't tried one, but would be curious to hear from someone that has. they sure are expensive!
 
actually the icebreaker is the reverse of what kevin described
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yes,that way you have some leather for breaking and when you jack up you have phenolic on the edges.
 
masonh said:
yes,that way you have some leather for breaking and when you jack up you have phenolic on the edges.
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Jacking up shouldn't even be in the equation as it should not affect the shot. When properly jumping the cue ball, is it not true that you still use the center of the tip and not the outer edge of the tip unless you are attempting to draw the cue ball after the jump and after the cue ball has made contact with the object ball. It is for this reason, not hitting center ball, that many people have so much trouble jumping and miscuing. If a center ball hit is maintained, a piece of glass would work for a tip and a miscue would never occur.

Dick
 
When properly jumping the cue ball, is it not true that you still use the center of the tip and not the outer edge of the tip unless you are attempting to draw the cue ball after the jump and after the cue ball has made contact with the object ball
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in your attempt to disagree with me you missed the entire point of my post.when you jack up on the cue ball you will be hitting it on the edges of the tip where the phenolic is and not the center where the leather is.

best i can tell when you jack up 60-70 dgrees or so and till try and strike the cue ball near the middle you are naturally going to be catching more of the outside area on the tip,than if you are breaking with a level cue and hitting dead center.it is common sense.
 
45% or 90% makes no difference!

masonh said:
in your attempt to disagree with me you missed the entire point of my post.when you jack up on the cue ball you will be hitting it on the edges of the tip where the phenolic is and not the center where the leather is.

best i can tell when you jack up 60-70 dgrees or so and till try and strike the cue ball near the middle you are naturally going to be catching more of the outside area on the tip,than if you are breaking with a level cue and hitting dead center.it is common sense.
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As you elevate your cue the entire reference also rotates by the same degree 30% - 45% or 90% whatever... it's all relative. You can elevate your cue and still strike the cue ball with a center ball hit, below center (low), slightly above center (high)... [although it is easy to "trap" the cue ball if it is struck very high], right hand or left hand spin can also be applied... or any combination thereof. If you strike the cue ball in the center as you look down on it in direct line with the cue stick your tip will contact the cue ball exactly as it would when you make a center ball hit with a dead level cue.

Clear as mud! Right!:) :D
 
If you strike the cue ball in the center as you look down on it in direct line with the cue stick your tip will contact the cue ball exactly as it would when you make a center ball hit with a dead level cue.
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not me.i am gitting and edge of the cueball with the edge of the tip.there is no way i can be convinced that on a 70 degree jump shot(to get up really quick) for example that you are hitting the center of the cue ball with the center of the tip.for me anyway i know i am hitting the edge.maybe i just jump incorrectly.
 
masonh said:
not me.i am gitting and edge of the cueball with the edge of the tip.there is no way i can be convinced that on a 70 degree jump shot(to get up really quick) for example that you are hitting the center of the cue ball with the center of the tip.for me anyway i know i am hitting the edge.maybe i just jump incorrectly.
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You can with 5MM tip. :D
 
masonh said:
in your attempt to disagree with me you missed the entire point of my post.when you jack up on the cue ball you will be hitting it on the edges of the tip where the phenolic is and not the center where the leather is.

best i can tell when you jack up 60-70 dgrees or so and till try and strike the cue ball near the middle you are naturally going to be catching more of the outside area on the tip,than if you are breaking with a level cue and hitting dead center.it is common sense.
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Well, I don't believe I missed anything in your post. I believe that what you consider as common sense is dead wrong. When stroking with a level cue you hit the cue ball at it's equator for a dead ball hit. Below the equator you will impart draw and above the equator you impart follow. Changing what direction, or elevation of the cue has absolutely no affect on this principle as the equator of the cue ball changes with the direction of the cue. Now you very well may be hitting below center of the cue ball but this is not helping you accomplish what you want which is - to get the cue ball to jump but instead, making you much more prone to miscuing.

Dick
 
when i jump over a ball i don't strike the cue ball in the center. i think that may be what masonh was saying. it would be a bellow center ball hit i guess but only slightly
 
at least a few guys understand.

Well, I don't believe I missed anything in your post. I believe that what you consider as common sense is dead wrong. When stroking with a level cue you hit the cue ball at it's equator for a dead ball hit. Below the equator you will impart draw and above the equator you impart follow. Changing what direction, or elevation of the cue has absolutely no affect on this principle as the equator of the cue ball changes with the direction of the cue. Now you very well may be hitting below center of the cue ball but this is not helping you accomplish what you want which is - to get the cue ball to jump but instead, making you much more prone to miscuing.
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when i jump i hit abover center with a glancing blow,sorry.i do not jump with a level cue and i do not hit dead ball center when i jump.i believe that i am hitting a glancing blow with the curved part of the tip.

if you are trying to tell me that a dead level break stroke and a 70-80 degree jump stroke that hits slight above center with a glancing blow both hit the center of the tip,then i would have to say that you are dead wrong.pleasure as always Dick.
 
masonh said:
at least a few guys understand.




when i jump i hit abover center with a glancing blow,sorry.i do not jump with a level cue and i do not hit dead ball center when i jump.i believe that i am hitting a glancing blow with the curved part of the tip.

if you are trying to tell me that a dead level break stroke and a 70-80 degree jump stroke that hits slight above center with a glancing blow both hit the center of the tip,then i would have to say that you are dead wrong.pleasure as always Dick.
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I'm not wanting to argue with you but this statement is not what you stated earlier when you said:

"best i can tell when you jack up 60-70 dgrees or so and till try and strike the cue ball near the middle you are naturally going to be catching more of the outside area on the tip,than if you are breaking with a level cue and hitting dead center.it is common sense."

In this statement you say that you are trying to hit the cue ball in the middle, dead center, same as if you were making a normal shot. Nowhere do I read that you are trying to put follow onto the cue ball, which of coarse, changes the whole scenario of what part of the tip contacts the cue ball. The only time any part of a tip comes in contact with a sphere is when it is not hitting the center of that sphere which happens to be the exact middle, both vertically and horizontally, at the angle that the cue is being presented to it. The easiest way to make a good, clean jump is to hit dead center with a crisp hit and the cue held lightly. This allows the cue ball to be forced into the table and the cue to bounce out of the way so that the cue ball has clearance to jump. The only reason to use outside English is to affect the cue ball after it contacts the object ball.

Dick
 
NEAR the middle is what i said and i uess i should have clarified near the center.center and middle mean the same thing to me.i hit the ball slightly abover center for jumping,but it is a glancing blow.

Dick for a guy that doesn't want to argue,you do a pretty good job of it.you are always arguing semantics with somebody.
 
masonh said:
NEAR the middle is what i said and i uess i should have clarified near the center.center and middle mean the same thing to me.i hit the ball slightly abover center for jumping,but it is a glancing blow.

Dick for a guy that doesn't want to argue,you do a pretty good job of it.you are always arguing semantics with somebody.
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Mason, I don't get into arguments just for the sake of arguing. The only reason I get on this forum, or other forums is to pass along or acquire knowledge. I've never tried to nor sold a cue and I've never begged for repair work as seems to be the case around here anymore. This particular forum is great for acquiring knowledge but only if the knowledge passed along is correct knowledge. When I see where some one makes a mistake or states something that differs from my own observances, then I bring it up. Sometimes I'm wrong in my assumptions but it is seldom as I usually do some research and think the answer out unless I happen to be mad at the time. I don't think I've ever had an argument on opinions or theories as that is what they are, just opinions and another's opinion is just as valid as mine. It's when opinions are stated as facts that arouse my attention. My arguments are usually based on something that can be proved one way or the other. To often I see on this forum opinions or even just plain B/S being passed as fact so as to make one persons "opinion" or technique or materials sound much more plausible. This irritates me to no end.

Dick
 
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