Sniper vs Moori Slow tips

[CrownCityCorey]

Thanks Corey:

Happy to make your acquaintance at the Riv.

Just for my information, the white Tiger tip seems to be the only one advertised as "soft" and therefore most comparable to the Moori "soft".

Am I right? Hope to come by soon.

Nope. Incorrect.

Tiger Soft, is much softer than a Moori Slow.

 

[The King]

I used Sniper for awhile and really liked it but a friend of mine asked me to try Everest and I have been hooked on EVEREST ever since ... Both seldom miscue but the Everest seems to play better and I get more action with it ... Just my opnion...Both are amde by Tiger ... Tiger tips is all I use they make a awesome tip...

 

[stevekur1]

I use a Morri Med. on all my cues and love them. But i am willing to experiment with something else.

What hardness of sniper would be compared to the Morri Med.

Thanks
Steve

 

[tjlmbklr]

I'd like to share my opinion on Sniper tips for what it's worth.

I do cue repairs locally and I've done them for years and since I have my own lathe I've been able to keep my cues in top shape and it's allowed me to try a lot of different tips over the years.

My favorite tip up until recently was the Moori Slow tip and I have them on all of my shafts for my small cue collection. For the players who don't know the newest Moori Slow tips are not like the older Moori's. They are firmer and I'd call them a medium hard tip at least. I still have some of the older Moori Slow tips and some of the newest Moori Slow tips for my cues.

I read on AZ forums about Sniper tips and a lot of people gave them high praise, but I was reluctant to try one thinking they couldn't be as good as my Moori tips! I've played with Predator shafts also for years with Moori Slow tips and I've been satisfied up until now.

I was also wondering how OB-1 shafts compared to the Predators I've been playing with and I was itching to try an OB-1 also. I found an OB-1 with a Sniper tip on it in the wanted/for sale section with the trim rings installed by my cue maker to match one of my cues and the price was right. I decided this was the deal I'd been waiting for to try an OB-1 shaft and a Sniper tip at the same time.

I got the OB-1 with the Sniper tip and I couldn't believe how well it played, WOW. I also liked the Sniper tip on the shaft so I ordered a couple of them for spares to try on my Predator shafts later when I needed a new tip.

I played a match last night (9 ball race to 9) against a player at least my level or better and I used a 314-2 shaft with one of the newer Moori Slow tips on it. I fell behind 5-0 right off and the pressure was on me to get into the match. I fought back hard and got the match to hill hill (8-8) with me breaking and the last game ended up with clusters and very hard to run out. We went back and forth with me missing an easy shot which would have given me a good chance to win the match and when I missed I got a good roll and hooked my opponent. He made a great kick trying to hit the ball and he not only hit it, but he pocketed the ball and ran out to win the match 9-8. I was not happy, but satisfied at how well I came back and I knew I could have won if I hadn't dogged the shot (I tried to hit it with high inside English off the end rail to keep the cue ball in the middle of the table and I under cut the ball). It was a simple shot with center or outside English, but with the pressure of the match riding on the shot and hitting it with inside I missed it and ended up losing the match.

I wasn't happy with the Moori tip on my cue since I mis-cued a couple of times during this pressure packed match and I hated to do it since the tip was like new, but I decided this morning to replace the Moori Slow tip and install a Sniper tip since I liked the Sniper tip so much on my OB-1 shaft. I went ahead and changed the tip to a Sniper and as soon as I hit a couple of shots with the tip I could tell immediately that this was the tip for me. I'll be using them from now on and I know this is just my opinion, but for what it's worth I'd think about trying a Sniper tip the next time you need a new tip!

James

sniper! Sniper! Sniper! Sniper! Sniper! Sniper! Sniper!

 

[tjlmbklr]

I use a Morri Med. on all my cues and love them. But i am willing to experiment with something else.

What hardness of sniper would be compared to the Morri Med.

Thanks
Steve

Snipers are much softer then Moori Med but not too much. They are consistant not like most the Moori's I've had.

 

[Texas Prez]

Snipers are much softer then Moori Med but not too much. They are consistant not like most the Moori's I've had.

I disagree...I think Snipers are a little harder...Snipers are classified as a hard tip aren't they...that would be comparable to a Moori Med

 

[Johnnyt]

I've used LePro for years. Maybe when this one wears out I'll try a Sniper and see what all the fuss is about. I tried a Morri about 4 or 5 years ago. It was bought as a medium but I think it really was a soft. I liked it for 14.1 but not 9-ball. Johnnyt

 

[Peer]

All this sniper praise makes me blush...

Well, last summer I sent you the following email, an email that was bluntly dismissed with that our cue specialist doesn't know how to install them:

I've bought and tried two of your Sniper tips -- both failed (delaminated) within a few days of use. Before I publish a review about your tips, I'd like to give you a chance to respond and/or give me one tip that you believe will last.

Sincerely,

--peer

 

[tjlmbklr]

I disagree...I think Snipers are a little harder...Snipers are classified as a hard tip aren't they...that would be comparable to a Moori Med

i culd be wrong but my sniper is not only soft and blue (which in my opinion is soft leather) but i know for sure my sniper is softer the the moori med i have had in past

 

[jeffwinters]

I've been using Sniper since i got my custom cue more than a year ago, it's been great.

question to CrownCityCorey, what is the proper maintenance of a sniper tip? i seems to get glaze on the tip more often now, i know that a tip pick is a no, how about a rough sand paper? but this would certainly thinned the tip. to others that use snipers, what do you do?

 

[CrownCityCorey]

Well, last summer I sent you the following email, an email that was bluntly dismissed with that our cue specialist doesn't know how to install them:

I've bought and tried two of your Sniper tips -- both failed (delaminated) within a few days of use. Before I publish a review about your tips, I'd like to give you a chance to respond and/or give me one tip that you believe will last.

Sincerely,

--peer

About 99% of the time any issues of layer seperation is caused by: inefficient cutting methods, dull tools, and lack of skill by the installer.

Of course that is not to say that we have never had a failure with the tips.

How is it that we should handle an improperly installed tip? Are we somehow responsible?

Usually, the only way to prove otherwise, is that say you bought a couple tips (they are likely from the same batch). Send me the unused one for us to check out. If there is something wrong, we'd be happy to replace that one plus the one lost.

Another way to make a claim, is to email me a picture of the tip. Sometimes we can tell from the pic.

Lastly, have the installer call us directly. We will ask a series of questions to get to the bottom of the issue.

The most desired outcome is a happy end-user and a re-educated and more skilled installer in the marketplace. Everybody wins.

Though I certainly can't recall your contacting me directly, I can not see there being no effort made to help resolve your situation. That just is not Tiger.

Edit: I forgot, here's my email corey@tigerproducts.com and my office # 818-238-9906.

 

[CrownCityCorey]

I've been using Sniper since i got my custom cue more than a year ago, it's been great.

question to CrownCityCorey, what is the proper maintenance of a sniper tip? i seems to get glaze on the tip more often now, i know that a tip pick is a no, how about a rough sand paper? but this would certainly thinned the tip. to others that use snipers, what do you do?

Yes, rough sandpaper is the ticket. Just brushing the top of the tip from the center out - enough to raise the little hairs back up and you are good to go.

There is no other maintenance necessary with Sniper.

 

[Onepoolplayer]

sniper tip

The two snipers that I have tried before were kinda whitish color, not blue unless I am color blind or Tiger have change the recipe???? Anyway, both tips worked great at first, start to fail after couple of weeks of playing and by fail I mean did not react the same way with the same shot like when it's still fairly new.....the best way I could put it.....Now, after reading all these posts here, I am thinking could it be that I got a bad batch? Duno for sure but very leary to try again. Oh, I just had a everest tip that came with the brand new 314-2 shaft delam on me in the middle of a match after two days of playing, my luck I guess. Seems good tip is harder to find than playing the game itself Just my .02c FWIW.

 

[SCCues]

About 99% of the time any issues of layer seperation is caused by: inefficient cutting methods, dull tools, and lack of skill by the installer.

Of course that is not to say that we have never had a failure with the tips.

How is it that we should handle an improperly installed tip? Are we somehow responsible?

Usually, the only way to prove otherwise, is that say you bought a couple tips (they are likely from the same batch). Send me the unused one for us to check out. If there is something wrong, we'd be happy to replace that one plus the one lost.

Another way to make a claim, is to email me a picture of the tip. Sometimes we can tell from the pic.

Lastly, have the installer call us directly. We will ask a series of questions to get to the bottom of the issue.

The most desired outcome is a happy end-user and a re-educated and more skilled installer in the marketplace. Everybody wins.

Though I certainly can't recall your contacting me directly, I can not see there being no effort made to help resolve your situation. That just is not Tiger.

Edit: I forgot, here's my email corey@tigerproducts.com and my office # 818-238-9906.

I installed my Sniper tip myself with my old model Hightower lathe. I sharpened my cutting tools before I started and I took my time and I didn't have any trouble installing a Sniper tip.

SHARP TOOLS are a must when you install layered tips to be sure the layers cut clean.

James

 

[Peer]

About 99% of the time any issues of layer seperation is caused by: inefficient cutting methods, dull tools, and lack of skill by the installer.

I think the above statement is quite disingenuous -- how would you know that our tip-installer (who also works on Bob Jewett's Balabushka, etc.) don't know how to install your tips, and how do you know that it's 99% of the time not a tip failure?! The word phony comes to mind.

-- peer

 

[CrownCityCorey]

I think the above statement is quite disingenuous -- how would you know that our tip-installer (who also works on Bob Jewett's Balabushka, etc.) don't know how to install your tips, and how do you know that it's 99% of the time not a tip failure?! The word phony comes to mind.

-- peer

I don't. Have the installer call me. 818-238-9906.

I can tell from years of personal experience, much of "the old guard" in the repair business, whether they work on Balabushkas, Ginacues, Szamboti's, or whatever and for whomever, are very stubborn to learn new techniques.

Installing any laminated tip, especially Snipers, involves new techniques.

It simply sounds to me you have an ax to grind and that's ok. Call me anytime.

 

[whitewolf]

Perhaps you could support your position? Do share.

Snipers only come in hard as far as I know. You can have it. Sorry - I should have explained why.

 

[Peer]

Have the installer call me.

Sure, PM sent.

It simply sounds to me you have an ax to grind and that's ok.

The only axe worth grinding is the fact that I wasted time & money on two of your tips that both delaminated on me, (and then was ignored by your "customer support").

-- peer

 

[SCCues]

Snipers only come in hard as far as I know. You can have it. Sorry - I should have explained why.

The 3rd Generation Moori Slow tip I had on my cue played much harder than the Sniper tip I replaced it with. Sniper tips grip the cue ball and transfer spin well and the 2 Sniper tips i've played with were not hard tips. Moori has changed their tips and the 3rd Generation Moori Slow is supposed to be their softest tip and they play like a medium hard to a hard tip to me. The Moori 2nd Generation tips (which are not available any longer) were much softer than the new version or 3rd Generation Moori's.

James

 

[Quesports]

I tried a sniper once and had exactly the same delamination experience as some of the other posters. I cannot say if it was an installer issue or not all I know is I did not wish to use them again. I have used moori's for years and have become less enthused with the newer ones and am about to try some milk dud elk masters. I guess I don't like moori's or snipers! LOL!!
Dan