Snooker’s Mark Williams defends his break tactics

sounds about right. ronnie alcano perfected that break and won the world championship with it in 2006 or 2007, but his opponent (ralf) kept breaking hard until his last break in the final.
No, there was a different. Peach won it in 2007, but everybody was doing that bird break. I remember Bustamante doing it as well as all the other players that year. It was kind of funny to see such a weak break, kind of like the break you'd do at a carnival on a gaffe table. ;)
 
I like how the 7 blocks the easy "likewise" return but what are the good responses to this break?
Not sure, but this break does sometimes leave a "touching ball" situation, in which case the breaker usually gets the worst of it.
 
I'm guessing they were on the ball enough to realize this would be a gateway to future "tinkerings". ...and that the whole thing was born out of boredom with no real stories to incite interest.
There have always been tinkering with the rules...how else do things get improved?
Back in the 30s, the pros came up with “shoot again after a foul option”....many did not approve...it became know as the ‘professional rule’....eventually, the Control Council saw the sense in it and adopted it.
i was never comfortable with having to attempt hitting a snooker...(I like American snooker rules)...when I first went to the UK, it was up to the ref to decide whether it was a fair effort...they changed the rule to automatic ‘miss’.

I feel the ‘free ball’ should’ve been discarded when they adopted the ‘shoot again option’.

....and I’ve never liked the fact that you can play for a stale mate by rolling into the pack.
 
Snooker has some major flaws in its rules.
Snooker has one flaw in its rules. If you pot a red on a foul, the red stays down and your opponent gets 4 points. It should be 8 points. This doesn't impact the game often enough for it to be a major flaw. There are no other flaws. The miss rule is open to interpretation and is therefore not a well thought out rule, but this is a different issue and is a akin to the referee judging "push" shots in pool.

The rules of snooker are different from pool and carom because it is snooker and not pool or carom. The rules are different because it is a different game
 
My perception is MW is doing what he thinks best (within the rules) to play safe vs his opponent. Countless games have been won with a pot following the standard break. In any cue game, you name it, if you give your opponent a 'free' 2-way shot, they will make it often. With world class talent, often they will proceed to win the game. (I'm sure any of you love it when given this same situation). He knows there are risks, but he has determined that game in and game out, this particular shot is what he should play. We all play with this same mindset. Everyone has a certain nine ball, ten ball, you name it break/shot played in a certain way from a particular spot on the table. Again, experience has taught that game in and game out this shot is best. We've all seen days when your nine ball break isn't working, but your opponent's break is. You will adjust from your break to his. Maybe switch sides of the table or use left English instead of right. Tomorrow, however, you go back to your original break. Experience has taught you this.

I also believe another factor has to be added to the above scenario. I believe his age contributes as well. (If so, I commend him for making this adjustment) He's no spring chicken, and I'm sure eyesight and concentration have faded somewhat. I'm in my late 60's and trust me, it will happen to you too. He is up against young players with young, focused eyes. That in itself is hard to beat. Having the ability to concentrate and stay focused in each individual shot and game is also hard to do as you age. That's the most important of all. To be entirely focused on the shot and game at hand. To be in the 'zone'. You don't see many senior citizens winning tournaments. Reyes is better than most.

Last, least noticeable adjustment would be pace of play. I'm not saying Williams is slow. I do say an older player needs to take an extra second to see the table or an extra stroke on the cue ball. For a fast player this is hard to do. Again, I applaud Mark for that. I personally think ROS needs to slow a bit. He's missing shots costing him frames. Lord knows he has the talent to continue, but he's not focused like before. (This might be where the adage 'age gracefully' is applied) If he is to be successful, he, too will have to make adjustments.

Bottom line is MW has changed. He has played the game for forty years. I am sure, after forty plus years, our game has changed as well.
 
I personally think ROS needs to slow a bit. He's missing shots costing him frames. Lord knows he has the talent to continue, but he's not focused like before. (This might be where the adage 'age gracefully' is applied) If he is to be successful, he, too will have to make adjustments.
The below copied from Ronnie's wiki page just to refresh recent memory:
"At the 2020 World Snooker Championship, he came from 14–16 behind in his semifinal against Selby to win 17–16; he then defeated Kyren Wilson 18–8 in the final to win his sixth world title, setting new records of 37 career ranking titles and 20 Triple Crown titles. Aged 44 years and 254 days, he became the oldest player to win a world title since Reardon in 1978. The tournament also marked his 28th consecutive Crucible appearance, surpassing the 27 consecutive appearances made by Hendry. At the 2021 Tour Championship, he reached 1,100 century breaks in professional competition, and also reached his 58th ranking final, breaking Hendry's record of 57 ranking final appearances."

I can't speak for Ronnie, but I wouldn't dream of changing anything...lol. I'd wager it isn't his speed but rather his indifference that causes those random misses.

oh and he's #2 in the world
 
... I can't speak for Ronnie, but I wouldn't dream of changing anything...lol. I'd wager it isn't his speed but rather his indifference that causes those random misses.

oh and he's #2 in the world
#2? So there's obviously room for improvement. :giggle: :poop:

At recent events he has been fiddling with things. He changed the way he stepped into the shot for a tournament or two but he's back to his old way. And he did try the soft break. And not practicing. He also is still working on his mental approach. He seems to have abandoned the Australian accent, fortunately.

As for the main topic, Hendry pointed out in commentary that he was really against the lag break when it reappeared -- it was previously used at times by Alex Higgins, Cliff Thorburn and even Steve Davis -- but it seems to not be a big issue because within a few shots normal service is resumed. In his match with Selby today, Mark Allen was punished for a pretty good break off by Selby potting a long red which resulted in a single-visit win. I think the players will now be noticing all the times that happens to them and they will be tempted to try the "MW" break off.
 
#2? So there's obviously room for improvement. :giggle: :poop:

At recent events he has been fiddling with things. He changed the way he stepped into the shot for a tournament or two but he's back to his old way. And he did try the soft break. And not practicing. He also is still working on his mental approach. He seems to have abandoned the Australian accent, fortunately.

As for the main topic, Hendry pointed out in commentary that he was really against the lag break when it reappeared -- it was previously used at times by Alex Higgins, Cliff Thorburn and even Steve Davis -- but it seems to not be a big issue because within a few shots normal service is resumed. In his match with Selby today, Mark Allen was punished for a pretty good break off by Selby potting a long red which resulted in a single-visit win. I think the players will now be noticing all the times that happens to them and they will be tempted to try the "MW" break off.
The other point that came up is the lag break keeps the black in play. So rather than creating more scrappy frames, it may actually reduce them.
 
In his losing match against Anthony McGill that ended yesterday, O'Sullivan's first 4 breaks were of the normal type. Then he switched to the "lag break" at 4-4 and stuck with it for the remainder of the match (9 breaks). He won the game on 3 of those first 4 breaks and 5 of the last 9.
 
... In his match with Selby today, Mark Allen was punished for a pretty good break off by Selby potting a long red which resulted in a single-visit win. I think the players will now be noticing all the times that happens to them and they will be tempted to try the "MW" break off.
And ten minutes ago, Yan Bingtao played a pretty good standard break off against Shaun Murphy but left the cue ball eight inches off the rail. Murphy potted the long red and got a 144 and the lead for high break so far in the Championship.
 
Have you ever seen that done in straight pool, Bob?
I've seen it, but an opening break that results in all fifteen balls in the stack ending up together doesn't win the opening safety battle as the back-scratch response will always be available.

It's better to leave a very tough shot than no shot at all.
 
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Here is a perfect standard break.


Of course, the rack was loose....
Hard to argue the results, but we always attempted to park the CB behind the green/yellow. Better served to leave a couple out of the cluster and force the opponent into a very return difficult safety.
 
I’m pretty sure I saw Alex Higgins and Steve Davis use this break back in the 80’s.

Jimmy White has finessed it here :) -


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A break-off in snooker is a safety shot by definition so it’s mind-boggling even to contemplate it being banned. Nah, isn’t going to happen.


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Hard to argue the results, but we always attempted to park the CB behind the green/yellow. Better served to leave a couple out of the cluster and force the opponent into a very return difficult safety.

Pros never do that intentionally as percentages are not there. They always try to find the baulk cushion (head rail in Ameri-speak) with the CB. Occasionally, when they hit the rack too thin or use too much running side the CB will creep up behind one of the baulk colours but that’s never the intention.


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