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So... Billy Thorpe fouled right?
- Thread starter RobDeBank
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..............sry but then its a bad ref, its his dam job to have a clear view! also why not checking from stream? that service is prolly only availaible to certain players......
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Svb posted on renfros post that thorpe was too focused on the 2 to see the 6
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unless every table is being recorded ( which isn't bad idea) I don't think checking the video play back is a viable option. It's simply not fair to the other 24 players that aren't on the TV table...Record every table , every match and have a few referees available to review fouls via video and we might have something
Isn't that the exact job of the referee...to get into and be in position to watch the table, especially when he sees the shooter is going to shoot over a ball or a jump shot?
It's not acceptable, period.
I believe what Svb said. In a high pressure match your focus is on the object ball and it is easy to see nothing but the object ball. As for the ref missing the foul?
Billy could still make it right. If it was in the hill-hill rack, with only a few balls left, and it was an open table, then that was a match-deciding foul. Neither of them have played their next match. Billy could talk to the TD and forfeit his win against Carlo.
Interesting. Sounds like right thing to do though not sure if the rules allow it :smile:
justinb386
Banned
This similar to SVB v Corey match 2 years ago when SVB fouled and touch a ball when bridging. No one saw it but SVB called foul on himself
If Biado mentioned it, why didn't TD/ ref review the video and award a foul ? They did that when the vocal Boyes shouted out 2 years ago. Maybe the TD/ ref take it more seriously if players are vocal and loud? Remember that Jayson v Earl debacle in some 8ball match some time ago. Earl apparently called wrong ball and when Jayson jumped and shouted and ref then reviewed. Sometimes need to be loud and bang tables to get things done
Sounds like you are talking about the 14.1 match (semi finals?) of the World 14.1 championships(?) ,where Earl called the wrong ball, and Jayson called him on it. The ref ruled in favor of Earl though. Being that vocal did not help Jayson's case. The ref did not see it, or hear what ball Earl called, so he awarded the call to Earl's favor.
justinb386
Banned
I don't want to get into this too much now, but one of my long time beefs in professional pool has been when I watched a match being refereed by someone who obviously knows little about what he's doing. I've got to see something like this on many occasions and could see disaster lurking as they were in the wrong position to make a call. When a ref is standing at one end of the table and the contact will happen at the other end that is a recipe for disaster. I've often inquired of said ref why didn't you go down there close to the shot so you could better see what happened and he responded he didn't want to get in the player's line of sight. HOGWASH! You stand where you need to stand to properly watch the shot, period!
Oftentimes a good referee will be standing directly over a shot that a player is shooting/kicking at because that's where he needs to be to properly observe it. I've always said, "get in position and stay still!" Players understand this and I've rarely had a problem with any player questioning me about where I was standing. Sometimes you may have to block a camera to be in the right position and I say, "so be it." Let them shoot from a different camera angle when that happens. Plain and simple it's the referee's job to be in the best position possible to see the outcome of the shot. Why else is he out there? Of course it also helps to know the rules!
Bottom line, I've seen so many so called referees make so many ludicrous calls and decisions that it has dismayed me to even be present to it. Afterwards people might ask me what I thought about what I just saw and I have to tell them that's not my job if I'm not working that event. I don't know how many times players have asked me to come out of the stands and make a call and I have to tell them that I can't. I'm not on staff for that event and you will have to call one of the tournament officials to do it. And I can see they're reluctant to do that for obvious reasons. They prefer to have their opponent make the call instead.
Does the ref really need to hover over the shot, and maybe make the player feel uncomfortable , in order to make a good call? They can't make a good call from a reasonable distance from the table?
It did not move that much. It moved about a millimeter. It was a foul.
True. For now, only SVB comes to mind if he was in this situation.
We all make unintentional mistakes.
We all make unintentional mistakes.
If it had occured during the 10-10 game then I would agree with you. But it didn’t, it’s a weird situation though. Playing the set over might be more fair
It appears to be a foul but if you freeze the stream and zoom in, you can see a piece of lint or chunk of chalk on the 6 ball just before the cue ball gets there. That is what the cue ball hit causing the 6 to move.... But cue ball did not actually hit the 6 ball... How many people believe that? lol.... I hate it for all parties involved..... I bet Billy will forfeit if Biado is allowed to continue in his spot.... Doubt that will be allowed though...
I believe it was in game 12, with the score 6-5 Billy. Billy ran out the rack to go up 7-5, and ended up winning the match hill-hill with a fluke on the 9 ball in the last game.
Disagree. The ruling party (ref) issued verdict and the participants are bound by the determination.
Imo, when a ref is in place, neither player may overrule the red's call.
Perhaps there needs to be a protest process, but it sure as shot better be a window that closes in a very short time.
justinb386
Banned
I agree. Unacceptable. This is the US Open, not some weekly bar tournament.
Billy didnt think he fouled as he was concentrating on the object ball. I have to think he would have given up his turn at the table if he knew he did, ref or no ref. I think most of us would. He asked the ref if it was a foul and was told no.
Imho, Billy did the right thing at the time, the ref made a decision, (right or wrong) and the match may have ended up with the same result anyway.
the game count was Billy 8, Carlo 5, (i think) If it was hill hill, and only a couple balls to play out to decide the match, Billy might make a request to take the loss.
It sucks for sure, mistakes can be made, the ref could have been in a better viewing position, but this could have been handled in a more accurate manner.
Imho, Billy did the right thing at the time, the ref made a decision, (right or wrong) and the match may have ended up with the same result anyway.
the game count was Billy 8, Carlo 5, (i think) If it was hill hill, and only a couple balls to play out to decide the match, Billy might make a request to take the loss.
It sucks for sure, mistakes can be made, the ref could have been in a better viewing position, but this could have been handled in a more accurate manner.
Glad to hear the score at time of incident.
Any discussion about what might have happened or what a player 'might have done if' is a waste of time and will not lead to any useful end.
I agree with all of you who have stated the obvious: it was a error by the ref. Tough job, he owned his mistake.
Any discussion about what might have happened or what a player 'might have done if' is a waste of time and will not lead to any useful end.
I agree with all of you who have stated the obvious: it was a error by the ref. Tough job, he owned his mistake.