So is there footage of the famous 1990's Challenge of Champions dumping scandal?
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Yup, there is a "thumbnail" pic on the back of this DVD. I doublechecked. 
IMO, I'd prefer Buddy's combo in the heat of the battle. And your comment of TON on "non-dead" combo's is very good advice. Double transfer of throw does complicate matters.
IMO, I'd prefer Buddy's combo in the heat of the battle. And your comment of TON on "non-dead" combo's is very good advice. Double transfer of throw does complicate matters.
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I have all 7 matches John. What do you want to know about the Hall vs. Lebron match?
Bear in mind that ESPN sometimes goes to other things for a game or two and then comes back to the action.
And no, I don't know how to upload the DVD to YouTube and I don't want to know how.
P.S. I have 4 DVD's with all 7 matches on each. PM me an address to send it to and I'll mail it to you at no charge.
ONB
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Thank you. I will decline only because I honestly won't have time to analyze them. I wasted enough on this already.
Kudos to Matt Braun for continuing to produce the COC. Such a thing might have driven most other promoters from the game.
As I have said to a fellow casemaker that uses a harsh feeling material to line his tubes, it isn't whether the material will actually scratch a cue the fact that the strong perception that it might is enough to consider another liner material.
I suppose at the end of the day friends and family holding bets on Mike LeBron is itself enough of a conflict of interest as to cause suspicion and critique of every missed ball.
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under the TV lights this is very challenging, even to champions.
You'll never see me make a video on combos.....this is one shot that relies on the subconscious more than any other......you have to be confident to shoot compos, and any pressure will make them exponentially difficult.
Bob Meucci has the best system for making combos....he says you line them up and wait for the right feeling and allow the shot to just happen.....this is actually good advice, although under the TV lights this is very challenging, even to champions.
You'll never see me make a video on combos.....this is one shot that relies on the subconscious more than any other......you have to be confident to shoot compos, and any pressure will make them exponentially difficult.
Bob Meucci has the best system for making combos....he says you line them up and wait for the right feeling and allow the shot to just happen.....this is actually good advice, although under the TV lights this is very challenging, even to champions.
That combo was so tough we had to contact NASA to get the coordinates
That combo was so tough we had to put it on the cover twice.....'The Million Dollar Pool Shot' - coming soon.
#1) i'm formally requesting that WILSON combine the 4 threads into 1, cause i'm getting dizzy
#2) i pulled my DVD, and said: no it's not, no it's not, no it's not - till i realized it's on the FRONT.
#3) isn't there another 1-9 combo shot on that DVD...?
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That combo was so tough we had to put it on the cover twice.....'The Million Dollar Pool Shot' - coming soon.
let me put all of this to rest. It was a dump. /thread
It's not just the combo thats suspicious
What seems to be slipping away in this discussion is that not only did Buddy miss a "very" easy combo, but his erratic play in the last 2 games was very suspicious.
Anyone who thinks they can compare Earl's shot to Buddy's is delusional.
Earls was much harder.
Don
Very good, it's on the front AND the back.....you may have won a prize, let me check with the front office.
I'm not sure which one was tougher.....I'd have to say Earl had slightly more pressure on him, but Buddy's was almost straight in and they can sometimes (ironically) be the most challenging.....any spin will throw the balls off drastically, that's why I recommend TON (the Touch of Nothing). 'The Game is the Teacher'
What seems to be slipping away in this discussion is that not only did Buddy miss a "very" easy combo, but his erratic play in the last 2 games was very suspicious.
Anyone who thinks they can compare Earl's shot to Buddy's is delusional.
Earls was much harder.
Don
On my worse day I would be a heavy favorite to make Buddy's combo.
On my best day I would be a big underdog to make earl's combo.
Pretty much...
Buddy's combo looked almost dead... it looked like it was dead to about an inch or two just past the outside point of the pocket on the short rail.... so, looking at it, you only needed a small cut angle to make the combo.... now most folks, if they are gonna miss would have jammed the 9b into the long rail.... but if Buddy risked that, the 9 ball might still go because it was close to the rail, and the pockets were not super tight, so he could have "shit" it in.
So, it appears the only way he could make sure he missed this shot was to cut it on the wrong side, to ensure it hit the short rail, and he missed it by 1/2 diamond.
Now, I'm not upset if he did in fact do this, and I'm pretty sure if I was there, the only thing I'd have been mad about is nobody told me the fix was in, cause I would have have taken some of that sweet action at 20-1. It's Vegas baby, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, and then it is discussed 20 years later
100% ditto Frank.... Any top player's (no names) who don't see that, are just blinded by their earlier commitments !..
..Way too much is being made of "pressure", and the glare of the spotlight !..Buddy was used to both, Mike WASN'T !..
..Its very simple...IF it was in fact "a dump", regardless of how bad LeBron was dogging it...Mr Hall made the HUGE
mistake, of allowing it to be way too close !..
PS..I'm going with Jay, who was pretty non-committal on the subject, for years !....He now appears to be convinced, that there was PROBABLY some 'skullduggery' involved !
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..Its very simple...IF it was in fact "a dump"...Mr Hall made the HUGE mistake, of making it way too close !..
I think that's why the group of folks who think it wasn't a dump exist.
If a dump was in the works, then it makes absolutely zero sense to allow the match to go hill-hill. It's not as if the line was Mike Lebron at 20/1 IF he wins by 1 game.
It's very easy for the video "evidence" to split viewers into two groups
1. Those who think Buddy was missing on purpose
2. And those who think Buddy dogged crucial shots due to pressure.
Truthfully, it's nonsense to believe either one is complete fact based on the video alone, as either one could be correct. It's also nonsense to think a player like Buddy isn't affected by pressure and nerves. Yes, Buddy has probably gambled for as much (if not more) in the past, but I'll bet he's missed easier shots than those he missed in this match.
The only way to know if a dump occurred is to hear it first hand from any of the supposed conspirators.
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The big news is that if you want to succeed, you must abandon all of those safe excuses for “why we did not do this and this…”. I have never seen a successful entrepreneur reach high achievements with excuses. Those are like crutches that allow you to just muddle through life instead of taking full advantage of it. If you want real results, throw away the excuses and put your responsibilities in your command.
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Any business, especially internet marketing, requires total inner transformation and personal development. Once you achieve that, your business starts catching up with your growth and reflects your positive metamorphosis.
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Earl was in the zone.
Buddy was in a rare state of choking.
That's all that really needs to be said about comparing the two situations imo.
Buddy was in a rare state of choking.
That's all that really needs to be said about comparing the two situations imo.
I think that's why the group of folks who think it wasn't a dump exist.
If a dump was in the works, then it makes absolutely zero sense to allow the match to go hill-hill. It's not as if the line was Mike Lebron at 20/1 IF he wins by 1 game.
It's very easy for the video "evidence" to split viewers into two groups
1. Those who think Buddy was missing on purpose
2. And those who think Buddy dogged crucial shots due to pressure.
Truthfully, it's nonsense to believe either one is complete fact based on the video alone, as either one could be correct. It's also nonsense to think a player like Buddy isn't affected by pressure and nerves. Yes, Buddy has probably gambled for as much (if not more) in the past, but I'll bet he's missed easier shots than those he missed in this match.<--Sorry Beib's, not since he was 14 yrs old, has he missed as many easy shots, as he missed in that one session !
The only way to know if a dump occurred is to hear it first hand from any of the supposed conspirators.<--odds of that happening are not too good, are they ? !..So why does this subject come up every few months !
Reasonable logic BeiberLvr, except for one small detail !......A very LARGE portion, of both groups, who are responding with their opinions on here, do not have a clue as to the 'finer points' involved, EITHER WAY !...Don't make them bad guy's, or stupid...Just makes for a ton of invalid opinions ! :embarrassed2:
PS..Happens quite often on ALL pool forum's, does it not ?
....(I guess we all just need to learn, the essence is.... "Be, Do, Become", by Ray Higdon..don't we ?) Isn't that something like..Is, Was, Coulda been, by John Barton ?
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The Name is the Teacher
It must have been, ESPN didn't see it.....The Mirage Casino didn't see it.....the Nevada Gaming Commission didn't investigate it......the billiard publications didn't see it......the PBTA didn't see it......the players didn't see it.......Matt Braun didn't see it.......Matt's 'Challenge of Champions' went on to to be the most successful billiard show ever produced as far as length, profitability, and ratings over 20+ years.
I would say this match was very successful no matter how you "slice it".
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It must have been, ESPN didn't see it.....The Mirage Casino didn't see it.....the Nevada Gaming Commission didn't investigate it......the billiard publications didn't see it......the PBTA didn't see it......the players didn't see it.......Matt Braun didn't see it.......Matt's 'Challenge of Champions' went on to to be the most successful billiard show ever produced as far as length, profitability, and ratings over 20+ years.
I would say this match was very successful no matter how you "slice it".
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