So Mezz has a new joint pin

[Jaden]

Thread pitch maybe?

Someone would have to use a thread pitch gauge to determine.

They probably changed it to have a snugger fit; however, that doesn't mean anything and is more for marketing than any real benefit. It's the joint facing that transfers the energy from shaft to butt and that's why people's largest preference deals with joint Type and Material, i.e. wood to wood, flat faced, insert, etc... Those are the things that affect feel.

Jaden

 

[Mobiker]

Maybe, but it would be hard to imagine a snugger fit than the original wavy.

 

[WGDave]

Maybe, but it would be hard to imagine a snugger fit than the original wavy.

Maybe they’re having galling issues?

 

[The_JV]

The below was taken from a comment found within the "Mezz & Exceed Cue Fans" FB group:

"...the material of the thread inside the shaft has changed. thread is now NOT wooden but made from phenolic (or something synthetic similar to phenolic) material in order NOT to change through the years like in some occasions it was observed with wood. Because wood is a softer material and over time, some threads in some shafts were observed to become slightly looser than they originally were when came out of the factory.
The tread material, thread depth and the pin diameter have also changed in order to offer a better feeling/feedback while hitting the cue ball. At least according to the experts and technology developers"

 

[hang-the-9]

They probably changed it to have a snugger fit; however, that doesn't mean anything and is more for marketing than any real benefit. It's the joint facing that transfers the energy from shaft to butt and that's why people's largest preference deals with joint Type and Material, i.e. wood to wood, flat faced, insert, etc... Those are the things that affect feel.

Jaden

The original Wavy joint had a pretty tight fit already, we had a cue with one for a bit.

 

[JC]

The below was taken from a comment found within the "Mezz & Exceed Cue Fans" FB group:

"...the material of the thread inside the shaft has changed. thread is now NOT wooden but made from phenolic (or something synthetic similar to phenolic) material in order NOT to change through the years like in some occasions it was observed with wood. Because wood is a softer material and over time, some threads in some shafts were observed to become slightly looser than they originally were when came out of the factory.
The tread material, thread depth and the pin diameter have also changed in order to offer a better feeling/feedback while hitting the cue ball. At least according to the experts and technology developers"

Better feeling/feedback from the pin being changed in diameter slightly?

Can these "experts and technology developers" play even a lick?

It's moronic is what it is. If someone gifted a mez I would get a restraining order against them.

 

[pwd72s]

sure sounds like a move to sell more stuff to a captive group...

 

[The_JV]

Better feeling/feedback from the pin being changed in diameter slightly?

Can these "experts and technology developers" play even a lick?

It's moronic is what it is. If someone gifted a mez I would get a restraining order against them.

Haters going to hate as they say. I love the feel of my Exceed. I give credit to the way they handle the joint/pin.

If anyone was going to gift JC a mezz but are now concerned about the possible restraining order. I'll happily give them the shipping costs to my location

 

[Jaden]

Being an innovator in the pool world myself, I'll say I only like to do things that can actually help. However, that being said, Mezz definitely makes a good product and in all likelihood, it's a good marketing strategy. Time will tell.

Jaden

 

[Straightpool_99]

They don't want owners of older mezz cues to upgrade their cues with new shafts. Simple really, but sleazy too.

 

[The_JV]

They don't want owners of older mezz cues to upgrade their cues with new shafts. Simple really, but sleazy too.

I guess when they have a newer tech shaft that's only available in this new joint pin type, that thought may hold water.

Currently Mezz offers the wx900 (for example) in the following pin types:

• United
• Wavy
• 3/8-10
• 3/8-11
• 5/16-14
• 5/16-18
• Uni-Loc
• Radial

If you would perfer their latest offering of the Ignite CF. Then you still have all the above options plus the new 'Wavy 2'.

Doesn't strike me as a company forcing their customers into conforming into anything particular....lol

 

[9ball5032]

Just a marketing gimmick.

 

[garczar]

I emailed MezzUSA and this is their response as to fit: "The difference is in the minor diameter and the wave shape. Pin length, major and pitch are all the same. Because the minor is smaller the W2 shaft will not fit the W1 butts." I sent another msg asking just why they did this. See what they say. I heard that the new pin is a better fit with the new phenolic threads in the shafts. I'm no engineer so i don't know if that holds water.

 

[The_JV]

I emailed MezzUSA and this is their response as to fit: "The difference is in the minor diameter and the wave shape. Pin length, major and pitch are all the same. Because the minor is smaller the W2 shaft will not fit the W1 butts."

If I'm following that correctly, then the mod to get a new W2 thread to screw onto a W1 butt, would be to bore the shaft so the minors match. That would be a fairly easy mod for anyone with a lathe. Not that it appears to be necessary as their shafts all have options for a multitude of pin styles/pitches.

 

[Quesports]

I emailed MezzUSA and this is their response as to fit: "The difference is in the minor diameter and the wave shape. Pin length, major and pitch are all the same. Because the minor is smaller the W2 shaft will not fit the W1 butts." I sent another msg asking just why they did this. See what they say. I heard that the new pin is a better fit with the new phenolic threads in the shafts. I'm no engineer so i don't know if that holds water.

Good info here. I happen to be one that believes in new technologic improvements no matter how small they may seem. Now we have carbon fiber shafts and yet some still do not like them while others do. I also remember hickory shaft golf clubs that I used as a kid, they are gone. S.o things change and some are willing to change and others are not. I may also not find any significant improvement but if I never try I will never know for myself..

I look forward to hearing if they reply with any more info or not... Thanks for sharing the info garczar!

 

[garczar]

Good info here. I happen to be one that believes in new technologic improvements no matter how small they may seem. Now we have carbon fiber shafts and yet some still do not like them while others do. I also remember hickory shaft golf clubs that I used as a kid, they are gone. S.o things change and some are willing to change and others are not. I may also not find any significant improvement but if I never try I will never know for myself..

I look forward to hearing if they reply with any more info or not... Thanks for sharing the info garczar!

The question that a LOT of Mezz owners are asking is whether or not this new pin was really necessary. Could the W1 pin not mate well with the phenolic threads?? Radial pins are used with both wood and synthetic threads without issue. Their explanation that they are 'future proofing' their shafts and the greater usage of cf doesn't make a whole lot of sense, to me anyway.

 

[Quesports]

The question that a LOT of Mezz owners are asking is whether or not this new pin was really necessary. Could the W1 pin not mate well with the phenolic threads?? Radial pins are used with both wood and synthetic threads without issue. Their explanation that they are 'future proofing' their shafts and the greater usage of cf doesn't make a whole lot of sense, to me anyway.

I guess Mezz thought it was due to some older cues being looser than they thought acceptable from the wood changing in the joint. As far as it mating well with other configurations I suspect that may be due to the wood in the shaft. Wood seems more likely to change when exposed to conditions like heat and humidity. There are quite a few interested people asking when they can get them in the US so Mezz USA must be fielding quite a number of inquiries worldwide for this set up, so in time we will all hear from owners of this new joint setup.. Till then I will sit back and see what develops.. While I applaud their efforts at this time I don't feel the need to jump in just yet, maybe later...

 

[JoeyInCali]

I guess Mezz thought it was due to some older cues being looser than they thought acceptable from the wood changing in the joint. As far as it mating well with other configurations I suspect that may be due to the wood in the shaft. Wood seems more likely to change when exposed to conditions like heat and humidity. There are quite a few interested people asking when they can get them in the US so Mezz USA must be fielding quite a number of inquiries worldwide for this set up, so in time we will all hear from owners of this new joint setup.. Till then I will sit back and see what develops.. While I applaud their efforts at this time I don't feel the need to jump in just yet, maybe later...

If they used 3/8 10 or 11 flat bottom with inserts, they'd have no problems .

 

[surffisher2a]

I really really really wanted to buy a mezz cue as my playing cue, but I ended up buying a predator just because of Mezz's proprietary joints. I wanted to be able to experiment with different shafts without sending them to a cue maker to customize. This newer style of joint just reaffirms my decision to go with something more universal.

 

[Kim Bye]

I was pretty disappointed when I got the email from Mezz about the pin change. The explanation about shafts now is threaded phenolic etc. Is just a poor excuse. It reminds me of when Tiger switched from Radial to their proprietary 3/8-9 ACME pin.