Curious. How many innings do you think an APA player needs to hit their points in 9 Ball?
Bob
Bob
So what do you think the average innings are for an APA player?
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I'm actually talking for the rating. Like how many innings does a 4 need to hit his 31; or a 5 need to hit 38; or a 6 o reach 46 etc
If the handicap is 'even', wouldn't it will take the same number of innings to make your points for your level.
Meaning if a SL 4 need 10 innings to reach 31, then a SL 5 needs the same 10 to reach 38. The points can be use to fine tune the handicap. Isn't the point of the handicap to give each level a 50/50 chance of beating another level?
FWIW, the other generalize for APA 9-ball, handicap level was roughly how many balls you can run on average.
Meaning if a SL 4 need 10 innings to reach 31, then a SL 5 needs the same 10 to reach 38. The points can be use to fine tune the handicap. Isn't the point of the handicap to give each level a 50/50 chance of beating another level?
FWIW, the other generalize for APA 9-ball, handicap level was roughly how many balls you can run on average.
I'd consider how many balls per inning instead of how many innings. But at the end of the day, we'd probably arrive at the same number.
you have got me curious also.
i would love to compare my innings with others also no matter which league you play.
i will start keeping track of my matches and post them for you.
i just got in from playing tonight and the results are fresh in my memory.
first i have to say that tonight was kind of weired and not typical of how i usually play.
90% of my playing time is on bar tables and every 5 weeks one of my divisions plays on 9's. well tonight was the night for 9 footers. i did not practice at all before playing.
i am a 4 and played a 3.
1st rack- 11 innings
2nd rack- 4 innings
3rd rack- 3 innings
4th rack- 1 inning
total -19 innings
i won 31-4
it was one of those nights it took me a lil bit to get in the game.
just reflecting back and making a good guess of my previous matches i would say it takes me an average of 14 innings to get 31 points.
like i said i will keep track and post the results. i hope others do also. it would be interesting to compare and inspire each other to improve.
one of my better nights that really sticks out in my mind is when i ran 4 racks of 8 ball on a bar table in 3 innings. they raised me to a 5 the next week lol. i am still a 4 in 9 ball though.
i will also post results of my teamates.
btw i want to say the whole team was in stroke tonight.
we finally picked up a higher handicapped player than i am and i believe it gives us a chance to hang with the big dogs if tonight is an indicator of how well we can compete.
we picked up a 7 who beat their 8 55 -44. as i stated in the 1st post i won 31-4.
our final results was that we won 73-29.
WAY TO GO BAD COMPANY !!
btw i want to say the whole team was in stroke tonight.
we finally picked up a higher handicapped player than i am and i believe it gives us a chance to hang with the big dogs if tonight is an indicator of how well we can compete.
we picked up a 7 who beat their 8 55 -44. as i stated in the 1st post i won 31-4.
our final results was that we won 73-29.
WAY TO GO BAD COMPANY !!
The APA handicap is computed based on balls per inning in 9 ball. Basically, take your total balls needed and divide by (innings-safeties). It is actually NOT the same number of innings required for all handicaps. It seems the innings go down slightly as the handicap goes up. In other words, a 9 will take slightly less total (innings-safes) than a 1, for example.
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I'm a four in 9-ball, and it usually takes me between 20-30 to get my 31 points.
But I suck, too.
I should have also stated that the lower the skill level of my opponent, the higher the number of innings we will likely play. When I'm playing a higher skill level opponent, the inning count will be lower, as that player will very likely run more at a time than I will.
Probably doesn't answer your question but I found that the hdcp is roughly equal to the balls made per rack. It's been a while since I played APA but I would be interested if anyone else came up with the same number. IMO, innings are irrelevant in the APA since that's how most of the players sandbag. 
Probably doesn't answer your question but I found that the hdcp is roughly equal to the balls made per rack. It's been a while since I played APA but I would be interested if anyone else came up with the same number. IMO, innings are irrelevant in the APA since that's how most of the players sandbag.
The sandbagging generalization gets tiresome.... Perhaps I am naive, perhaps it's not rampant in my part of the world.... I don't see it here. And I watch everyone. We all know each other pretty well, after playing each other as often as we do. Seeing someone playing that far off would attract attention pretty quickly. Ah, but its easy to throw the sandbagging excuse out there when we lose, right?
As for the "number of balls run per inning" theory, I have played 7's and 8's often enough to know that doesn't fly. I love how everyone here online must all be run-out players. The better players here don't run the table every time, or even every other time. I see very few break and runs. Yes, we must all suck, that's gotta be the answer, right?
I look forward to loriders take on all of this. And some other actual APA players.
We are playing tonite. I'll post up handicaps and innings tomorrow sometime. I play as a 7 in 9. Most of my innings are in the 20-25 range I would guess. Sometimes, if a big defensive battle takes place, more. I have also been smoked by a nine handicap in 12 innings. He ran a four pack....
yea the sandbagging accusations do get tiresome to hear.
there are safeguards in place to prevent sandbagging.
the best way to prevent sandbagging is through accurate scorekeeping.
the biggest issue i have found with scorekeeping is failure to mark safties. too many times i have seen scorekeepers talking with teamates and not paying attention to the match. we had that problem until i educated my teamates. also after every rack our scorekeeper confers with the opposing scorekeeper to make sure both scoresheets reflect the same number of innings and safties have been recorded while the next game is being racked. that eliminates any issues of inaccurate scorekeeping.
I tracked my APA 9 ball stats for about a year and a half while I was an 8 (and later a 9)
Here they are:
I quit the APA shortly after becoming a 9. The 24 rule makes it near impossible to stay on a team.
Here they are:
I quit the APA shortly after becoming a 9. The 24 rule makes it near impossible to stay on a team.
Hi Rob- and that's what I find I average as well. I am also a 7. And I seem to be in that range every week. Never higher, and occasionally lower.
Bob
that doesnt compute 73-27 maybe
Agreed; when I was an SL7 I thought below was a good estimation:
<=8 Innings - great game
9 - 12 Innings - very good game
13 - 16 Innings - average game
16 - 20 Innings - OK game
> 20 Innings - bad game