So what do you think the average innings are for an APA player?
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Good idea but my safety play sucks. Most times I try to play safe I roll out and sell out. So when both shot and safe are hard I always go for the shot. But you have given me a direction to go thank you.
The bottom line is your skill level is determined by your balls per inning in 9 ball. You count balls and innings the same way in every city, rural area, etc. It doesn't matter if you are playing an in house league with pro players or at a center for the blind. No matter where you are or who you play with, a ball is a ball and an inning is an inning. For your idea to make sense, there would have to be a system that applies the skill level 9 to the strongest players and 1 to the weakest, and distributes the rest in the middle. This isn't the case.
KMRUNOUT
Things to remember just give yourself the best opportunity to win. You are playing against a sl 4 your safety play doesnt have to be perfect. You just need to be smart. If you are not at least 90% for a given shot dont take it. You are playing 9 ball so his next shot is only one ball and that means you can either leave the cue ball hard or the object ball. Study the table and consider your options in a match like this if you play smart you can dominate. You are not playing a player who can likely kick or bank well enough to kick to make or kick for safe. You can out think him and dominate this match. I have seen a sl 5 in a tournament beat good players for large splits by knowing his abilities and only taking sure shots and leaving everything else hard.
good luck
He is not necessarily under ranked i have seen sl3 break and run and have a great night. It all depends on how often he can do that. I have in a match left my opponent to rack for me and only get one shot in a match as a 6. The key here is i cant do it a lot. I also went 4 -4 against what i call the pro ghost the other night. That is no ball in hand and a dry break is a loss but i cant do that often. That was done on the 9 ft. Olhausen with 4.5 inch pockets we use for league play.
That's why the skill levels are adjusted based on your best last 10 matches. Flattens out the curve fluctuations.
I have played in the APA for about 16 years. In that time, I have seen a 3 break and run ONCE. It was in 8 ball. He had a very strong break, and the layout was very easy. Also, he was a new player and immediately went up to a 4. Now in that 31 balls/5 innings match, maybe the guy ended up with ball in hand on every turn thanks to his opponent, and the layouts were roadmaps. Otherwise, a 4 should almost never turn in a score like that. Maybe you see that level of play a couple of times in 16 years...
The skill level of a player is an average for sure, but there should not be scores on there grossly out of the range of that average. League operators are given a "raise on" score suggestion in the computer. In other words, if this particular player shoots a score above X, raise him immediately. I believe it is only a suggestion. Typically that score is about 3 full skill levels above their average.
The point is, if that 4 turned in that score in Vegas, he would *definitely* be disqualified. Possibly his whole team too. Something to think about.
KMRUNOUT
just one question how was he a 3 when new male players start as a 4. Yes you are right that is rare but as you yourself stated almost never turn in a score like that but almost isnt never. By your standards my 46 in one innning should have gotten me flagged but as i said that is not an every day occurance.
That's a hell of a score there. A SL6 running a 5-pack and out would definitely raise eyebrows here.
didnt put a 5 together had a 2 and a couple long runs with 3 late 9 combos split over my 2 turns i was the inning maker lost the lag and the ending player thus 1 inning
and we are in the same area looks like you shoot in atlanta as do i. I have to be honest though and say i also have night when i just cant put 4 ballss together and shoot like a 3 in fact 4s have taken me down.
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The player in question was playing in his 2nd or 3rd match. He was "new" in that he did not yet have an established skill level by the APA standards.
I don't know what your skill level is, but if you ran 46 balls in one inning, you should immediately be raised to a 9. No other info is needed. The APA deals with averages. That score is so far out of the range of anything but a 9, there is absolutely no way to average it in. The max score you can possibly get is 10.0 balls per inning (in the computer). If this (you getting raise to a 9 or near to it) didn't happen, then you have a classic example of either 1) someone keeping score with MANY mistakes, or 2)human error entering the score into the computer, or 3) a LO who doesn't know what they are doing, or who willfully disregards the standards set forth by the APA. It is scores like this that explain why the LO's have the authority to override the computer system. It is nothing against you! Hell, GREAT shooting! You should be proud. But since the handicap is supposed to be the measure of the better end of your true ability, you should also be a 9.
KMRUNOUT
Ding Ding we have a winner in my opinion. Although technically your formula reads incorrectly:
To calculate expected innings it is P/(SL*2)=I
The correct formula would read
(P/SL)*2=I,
Also using the assumption of 0 defense and some basic algebra you can get
(I*SL)/2 –P=(A*I)-P
Which reduces to:
SL=2*A
Or as you elequntley stated double your average and that is your skill level.
I am in no way a sl9 and did it in 2 turns at the table which cinstitutes 1 inning in that won the lag and therefore the inning maker only shot once and did have 29 before he got to the table but i do not normally shoot anywhere near that level although wish i did. The handicap system though is based on averages not single scores as in average of best 10 of last 20. I am sure that with that formula i am where i belong.
i think it would depend on each players ability to adapt to each size table, much like going from a valley to a diamond bar table. there is quite a bit of difference in the way those 2 tables play.
around here all leagues play on barboxes except for our apa sunday night double jeapordy division. its an in house league at a pool hall. that division has become so popular that we have more teams than tables avaliable.
the solution that came about was to have teams rotate between barboxes and 9' tables. about every 4 weeks it is your teams turn to play on 9's.
a lot of players did not like that idea at 1st but quickly approved of it when they found out the room owner was giving the 9's to the league for free. NOTHING BEATS FREE TABLE TIME TO A POOL PLAYER LOL.
we have been playing the way for 2 sessions so far and i have not seen any affect on any ones handicap so far. except for mine that is, i was just raised again 2 weeks ago
.when we 1st started playing on the 9's you could expect to be there about an hour longer than when you played on barboxes due to every one missing so much but over time as people have gotten used to playing on them the length of matches has grown shorter to about a half hour longer than when we play on barboxes.
i don't think that's even possible. handicapped or not when someone gets to the point where they can get out in one inning then no matter what the handicap the innings are going to be fewer and fewer