SO, Whats your thoughts on the JB Case Video?

I'll try and make this simple.

If someone should ask me to install an interior that I did not have faith in, I would simply suggest they buy the case direct from the maker so there is no problem here.

Now if one of my customers wants to change the interior on his own, it's none of my business. He bought the case and it is his to do with as he pleases.

The only thing I do have a say in is how I run my business and that includes voiding the lifetime warranty on the entire case, yes even the air inside the case if the ProLite interior is replaced by one that I personally do not have faith in. It has nothing to do with my dislike for John Barton.

I just think his close tolerance interiors will eventually cause more harm than good.

Fair enough.

And the question of whether my interiors cause any damage or can cause any damage was addressed on the video and will be addressed in further detail on another one. Your opinion, Mr. Justis, is noted and your statement which I have italicized above will be directly addressed on video this week as that medium shows best what does and does not happen to a cue.
 
I thought it was a pretty informative video. Jack and John both make great cases, but John does make the superior interior and that goes without saying.
 
I think if you subtracted the Jack vs. John controversy from AZ Billiards during this long holiday weekend,
this forum would have been more boring than that video.

Now I know how engineers feel after I get up for an hour and discuss coefficients of flow velocities (Cv)
and how it relates to control valve sizing vs. pipe sizing (Fp)


That's cool, but, i can't wrap my brain around a shaft not cuming in contact with a butt:confused:
 
Hi Dick,

Thanks for your question.

Our warranty most certainly would cover the contents providing proof could be furnished that the damage was caused by the case.

Interested story about the It's George. Now I agree the bottom should not fall out of any case. We know about bottoms falling out on other cases and that is why our bottom is made using 3/4" wood, contact cemented and secured with 10 #16 x 1" solid brass escutcheon pins. To my knowledge, we have never had a bottom punched out.

Two individuals on this forum said cue damage was caused by a Justis case. Neither contacted me by phone or emailed when this allegedly happened or furnished any evidence, like photos of the damage or anything other than saying they put the cue in the case and just minutes later they took it out and it was damaged. This was a 2 year old case and after checking with the original owner, I was advised that no damage had ever occured to his cues. Not much can be done in situations like this nor should it be expected.

Yep, I am one of the people that had damage inside my 2007 Justis case....like I said before, the cue had a nick in the finish after it was put in the case, and before I took it out 45 min later. I did not contact Jack about this because I didnt feel it necessary. I the next day I had it sent off to be refinished. I did not take pics of the damage, simply because it was not that big of an issue to me.

Crappy assed Oklahoma roads, trying to dodge stupid people talking on thier cell phones and not paying attention, and the bouncing around in the interior of the case I feel is what caused it....but I have no proof as Jack has stated....

As far as contacting Jack about damage. It was like he stated, a 2 yr old case, I was the 2nd owner.....so the warranty would have been void anyways, so no need to contact him and tell me the warranty was void.

As I have said before, I feel if this was my original case, and this happend, I do believe he would have at least listened and been concerned.

Nothing against jack at all, but I do know the damaged happened inside my case from the butt and shafts moving around inside it. Yes, I had the cue pin down, and no I did not know that you could not store a cue inside a Justis case this way. Lots of people on here say that they are afraid to use a Justis because of all the movement inside the case, and alot of people say they dont mind the movement....To each thier own....I know for me, I do not like my cues to move inside my case during transport.

I picked up a Justis 2x4, and yes I am the 2nd owner, so there is no warranty with this case. I will buy a JB interior so my cues will be protected as best they can, and on the outside look great inside a Jack Justis case
 
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I did not contact Jack about this because I didnt feel it necessary. I the next day I had it sent off to be refinished. I did not take pics of the damage, simply because it was not that big of an issue to me.

Well, it you didn't feel it was necessary to contact me first and not that big of an issue, please explain to me why you posted your comments on a public forum without any proof whatsoever that the damage was caused by my case.

If you have a problem with a product and expect a positive outcome, you contact the manufacturer of the product instead badmouthing him in public.

Service is and always will be our number one priority.
 
Jb case video

I thought the video was very informative.JB made some very good points.
I am happy to say I use a WHITTEN CASE to pamper my cues.They love it.:wink:
 
I watched the video which I thought was supposed to be a comparison of JB cases and JJ cases. In the video, I watched as JB held up the JJ case and dropped it to the floor and then proceeded to show the damage to the lid. I must have missed the comparison part where JB held up one of his cases and dropped it in the same manner. Can anyone tell me how the comparison turned out?

I always thought in a comparison test, the same thing would be done to all objects being compared. I'm sorry I missed the second part of the comparison.
 
I watched the video which I thought was supposed to be a comparison of JB cases and JJ cases. In the video, I watched as JB held up the JJ case and dropped it to the floor and then proceeded to show the damage to the lid. I must have missed the comparison part where JB held up one of his cases and dropped it in the same manner. Can anyone tell me how the comparison turned out?

I always thought in a comparison test, the same thing would be done to all objects being compared. I'm sorry I missed the second part of the comparison.

Check this video out, interesting stuff.
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2678412
 
this is just 'my' view, and i want to emphasize that...

whom amongst us do not have insurance? all kinds: your car, home, health, your life?

ok, if you're a young adult who will live forever and with no wife and/or children - you have no fear. i was that child once too. i can see that you are not so concerned as many of older folks are.

i think jack makes one hell of a Beautiful Case in my opinion.

i think john makes one hell of a Great Protective Case and Beautiful. but i think many of would admit that a case should serve multi-purposes; beauty as well as insurance/protection.

however, if we are just talking about beauty, the most beautiful case i have ever seen was on azb - saw only pictures, but it was a rusty melton that manwon bought; loaded with incredible tooling. i don't know or remember the interior, but to me it was the most beautiful case i have ever seen.

john has come up with designs with tooling that are incredible. he also has come up with tooling that combines with painting that are also incredible. really works of art.

me, i try to be practical. i'd rather buy my wife something of beauty, so for myself i usually research more, get the best for my money and usually with a goal in mind. and in terms of cases, that would have to be a case made/designed by john. and in john's case, not only do i save some money, but i also get john's expertise for a case that will 'insure/protect' my cue.

i do not own cues like many of our azb'ers that cost 10's of thousand dollars. my most expensive cues are in the 2.5 to 3 thousand dollar range, but they only leave our home on very rare occasions. to date, that has not been more than 2 times for any of them.

my playing cue [going to league or just going to play at the pool hall - a masonh cue] was a $600 cue when i bought it and a break cue $250. i am a little lucky to have a table and game room at home. but still, without hesitation i want a case that will protect and insure my moderately priced cues from an unexpected mishaps. same as 'insurance' i mentioned above. i love those cues, not because of their value or the money spent, but honestly because they are my playing cues. they may not be expensive to many of you, but they are 'my treasures'.

not much different, but to the point; i have bought cars for my wife and children. i bought them with beauty in mind, but mostly with 'safety in mind'; G-d forbid there was some 'unsuspected/unforeseen' accident as mully clearly pointed out. i want them 'protected'!

back to the point at hand...

through all of these threads and endless posts, 'unlike many here' i have lost faith in jack. and at the same time i have gained even more faith in john. i like johns chutzpah, he has real balls to come on az and tell a legend that while he admires him [as i am sure john does as he himself said] he, the legendary jj could make his cases even better; but jack is not teachable. he makes a beautiful case, but is too thickheaded to 'LEARN' from a professional like john imho who is constantly wanting to improve himself to only offer all of us a 'BETTER CASE. and i wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that john may have offered to make the 'interiors' for jack and would keep it hush, just because john would want you all to have the best insurance/protection for your cues.

and besides, i don't think if you took all of jack's business and put it in john's back pocket, i don't think john would even notice. it's tiny, just unnoticeable in today's world of business.

my hat is off to john. how dare jack say that john's interiors would cause harm to cues.

me, i would just shoot him. but john chose the better path and debated him. imo, john won the debate hands down. it's not even close, so i can only say while shaking my head; jack is jack.

since this post is already so long, i want to add just a few more points:

i have what jcin [justin] mentioned, a pelican case. they are the tantamount of protection/insurance. i needed it to fly with my shotguns, some of which cost more than you could imagine. certainly more than 99% of any cue any of you own. why? a pelican case gave me the protection i felt my shotguns warranted.

and just for the hell of it jcin: how do you pack your camera equipment? do you use pelicans? i bet you do, or did, or some other of the same ilk.

and also, i know you are an honest man, so i was surprised you did not mention that jack donated a free case to TAR; mentioned just for full disclosure as you usually do. i know you are a straight shooter jcin like me, but i think that lack of disclosure was improper.

mully, sorry to hear of your tragedy.

skor, you're a wise man.

all the best,
smokey
 
Well, it you didn't feel it was necessary to contact me first and not that big of an issue, please explain to me why you posted your comments on a public forum without any proof whatsoever that the damage was caused by my case.

If you have a problem with a product and expect a positive outcome, you contact the manufacturer of the product instead badmouthing him in public.

Service is and always will be our number one priority.

Nope, i honestly wasnt badmouthing you at all. I was just stating what had happened to me. Trust me, if I had thought I would have been told by you that it did not happen, I would have provided proof.

As far as proof. I know the cue was 100% not damaged before it was put in the case, and it was damaged when I got to my pool hall in Muskogee which is 45min away, I do know that for a fact. As far as how it happened, I do not know. I know you are going to say it didnt happen, and thats fine, no big deal to me, I honestly at this point dont care. There has been other people that have said thier cues were damaged inside the case, and ALOT of people that dont feel your interior provides enough security...Alot of people feel it provides enough security..everyone is different.

If I was bashing you, I would not have bought aother of your cases recently. I dont think you make a bad product, I just feel it can be improved upon is all.

Regards
Shawn
 
Nope, i honestly wasnt badmouthing you at all. I was just stating what had happened to me. Trust me, if I had thought I would have been told by you that it did not happen, I would have provided proof.

As far as proof. I know the cue was 100% not damaged before it was put in the case, and it was damaged when I got to my pool hall in Muskogee which is 45min away, I do know that for a fact. As far as how it happened, I do not know. I know you are going to say it didnt happen, and thats fine, no big deal to me, I honestly at this point dont care. There has been other people that have said thier cues were damaged inside the case, and ALOT of people that dont feel your interior provides enough security...Alot of people feel it provides enough security..everyone is different.

If I was bashing you, I would not have bought aother of your cases recently. I dont think you make a bad product, I just feel it can be improved upon is all.

Regards
Shawn

No further comment since you just don't get it.
 
Interesting but what does it really prove? We're talking about protection of the cue, right?

This test is meaninless and inconclusive. If you drop a cue pin first from 3 feet in a case it puts a dent in the wooden bottom. Doh!

Did the cue suffer any pin damage and was there any dings in the cue??

A brass pin might bend, an ivory joint might crack but one thing it did show was a piece of leather helped out a bunch and the cheap foam worked well too when it was thicker. I am just wondering why not throw the f@$&ing warning out the window Jack and just make a couple dollars in upgrades, new interior, extra padding top and bottom and your case will be the nuts in looks and protection? :confused:
 
No further comment since you just don't get it.

No I get it, it seems you dont get that something happened after i put it in the case and before i pulled it out....what is so hard to comprehend about that?

I am just trying to understand where your coming from is all, and why you cant understand this....Oh well...I have wasted enough of my time on this.....no reply is neccesary Jack....other people have had problems and my small problem isnt an issue....

Take Care
 
A brass pin might bend, an ivory joint might crack but one thing it did show was a piece of leather helped out a bunch and the cheap foam worked well too when it was thicker. I am just wondering why not throw the f@$&ing warning out the window Jack and just make a couple dollars in upgrades, new interior, extra padding top and bottom and your case will be the nuts in looks and protection? :confused:

Lenny, your wasting your breath....your words are falling on deaf ears....I dont care if everyone in the world said they had a problem with Jacks case...he would still be right in what he is doing
 
I watched the video which I thought was supposed to be a comparison of JB cases and JJ cases. In the video, I watched as JB held up the JJ case and dropped it to the floor and then proceeded to show the damage to the lid. I must have missed the comparison part where JB held up one of his cases and dropped it in the same manner. Can anyone tell me how the comparison turned out?

I always thought in a comparison test, the same thing would be done to all objects being compared. I'm sorry I missed the second part of the comparison.

I will do that. I just spaced it when doing the live video and trying to keep up with the chat and answer people's questions.

In no way was I trying to dodge anything. I will certainly be happy to put my cases through the same testing as I subject anyone else's to.

Tomorrow, when I go to the shop I will do this at 12noon China time which will be at about 11pm EST. tonight USA time.

I will do it live on Ustream again. I would have done it today but I was more curious to test out the drop test on various materials as my goal was and is to implement the best padding I can at the top inside the lid. Frankly I was shocked that the cue could cause that much damage from a three foot drop.
 
whom amongst us do not have insurance? all kinds: your car, home, health, your life?

ok, if you're a young adult who will live forever and with no wife and/or children - you have no fear. i was that child once too. i can see that you are not so concerned as many of older folks are.

i think jack makes one hell of a Beautiful Case in my opinion.

i think john makes one hell of a Great Protective Case and Beautiful. but i think many of would admit that a case should serve multi-purposes; beauty as well as insurance/protection.

however, if we are just talking about beauty, the most beautiful case i have ever seen was on azb - saw only pictures, but it was a rusty melton that manwon bought; loaded with incredible tooling. i don't know or remember the interior, but to me it was the most beautiful case i have ever seen.

john has come up with designs with tooling that are incredible. he also has come up with tooling that combines with painting that are also incredible. really works of art.

me, i try to be practical. i'd rather buy my wife something of beauty, so for myself i usually research more, get the best for my money and usually with a goal in mind. and in terms of cases, that would have to be a case made/designed by john. and in john's case, not only do i save some money, but i also get john's expertise for a case that will 'insure/protect' my cue.

i do not own cues like many of our azb'ers that cost 10's of thousand dollars. my most expensive cues are in the 2.5 to 3 thousand dollar range, but they only leave our home on very rare occasions. to date, that has not been more than 2 times for any of them.

my playing cue [going to league or just going to play at the pool hall - a masonh cue] was a $600 cue when i bought it and a break cue $250. i am a little lucky to have a table and game room at home. but still, without hesitation i want a case that will protect and insure my moderately priced cues from an unexpected mishaps. same as 'insurance' i mentioned above. i love those cues, not because of their value or the money spent, but honestly because they are my playing cues. they may not be expensive to many of you, but they are 'my treasures'.

not much different, but to the point; i have bought cars for my wife and children. i bought them with beauty in mind, but mostly with 'safety in mind'; G-d forbid there was some 'unsuspected/unforeseen' accident as mully clearly pointed out. i want them 'protected'!

back to the point at hand...

through all of these threads and endless posts, 'unlike many here' i have lost faith in jack. and at the same time i have gained even more faith in john. i like johns chutzpah, he has real balls to come on az and tell a legend that while he admires him [as i am sure john does as he himself said] he, the legendary jj could make his cases even better; but jack is not teachable. he makes a beautiful case, but is too thickheaded to 'LEARN' from a professional like john imho who is constantly wanting to improve himself to only offer all of us a 'BETTER CASE. and i wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that john may have offered to make the 'interiors' for jack and would keep it hush, just because john would want you all to have the best insurance/protection for your cues.

and besides, i don't think if you took all of jack's business and put it in john's back pocket, i don't think john would even notice. it's tiny, just unnoticeable in today's world of business.

my hat is off to john. how dare jack say that john's interiors would cause harm to cues.

me, i would just shoot him. but john chose the better path and debated him. imo, john won the debate hands down. it's not even close, so i can only say while shaking my head; jack is jack.

since this post is already so long, i want to add just a few more points:

i have what jcin [justin] mentioned, a pelican case. they are the tantamount of protection/insurance. i needed it to fly with my shotguns, some of which cost more than you could imagine. certainly more than 99% of any cue any of you own. why? a pelican case gave me the protection i felt my shotguns warranted.

and just for the hell of it jcin: how do you pack your camera equipment? do you use pelicans? i bet you do, or did, or some other of the same ilk.

and also, i know you are an honest man, so i was surprised you did not mention that jack donated a free case to TAR; mentioned just for full disclosure as you usually do. i know you are a straight shooter jcin like me, but i think that lack of disclosure was improper.

mully, sorry to hear of your tragedy.

skor, you're a wise man.

all the best,
smokey


Man, that must be some good stuff you had this morning....:grin:
 
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