sold a blue grass here (what would you do?)

Eh, you probably should've given him some guidelines before just telling him to send it to Harris or at least a $ limit.
If you're running a business you should probably just eat the charge. Cost of doing business. If you're just doing this stuff in your spare time then do whatever you feel is right.
 
BENFICA said:
I never said that Bill was not a honest person.
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BENFICA said:
Bill, you are not more honest than I am, so have a beer at VF on me and keep the change. I am cash poor right now but my integrity and honesty is much more valuable.
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I find the above statements a little ironic.

Several good friends of mine have done business with Bill Grassley and can attest to his integrity...

While if you Google bestkites.com (BENFICA's business and former AZB "nickname") you'll get to see how BENFICA does business.
 
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Just curious as to how much this cue was worth ? IF a so called high end cue maybe it should have been packaged alot better...
 
turbo said:
i suggest editing your post and deleting benfica's e-mail address, for privacy purposes.

by the way, his e-mail address, i dont know what language he used, but in turkish it is a phrase, or saying meaning "watch out" or "be careful" street talk tho. anyways, youre right and i say no money.
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Ahh...... dude.....
You posted his email a second time with the quote:eek:
 
as my sugars said. misunderstanding. i have delt with and spoken too each at great legnth and both are great guys. somethimes the ball just takes a bad hop.
 
mis-understanding

As a former business owner I learned a long time ago that you can never please everyone 100% of the time. If you make 95 out of 100 happy you are doing good. Both parties involved are respected members of the AZ community. I dont believe it was ever anyones intention to get the upper hand on this deal. Occasionally a deal goes south when both parties were dealing honorably. I hope both parties can live with the final resolution. Good luck to all.
 
Hal said:
I wouldn't give him anything. He had his chance to get reimbursed and he tried to take advantage of you.

Screw him.
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After all the gumflapping, and the weak and seemingly misleading explanations about the necessity of sending the whole cue in to have a couple scratches removed from the joint protectors, I still agree with Hal. Somebody tried to pull a fast one, and got caught, and now deserves nothing. JMHO
 
It appears to me that there was clearly a miscommunication. The real question is, how did it get that way? I can see that Bill left it somewhat 'up in the air' by saying go ahead, (what exactly did that mean?)

I think there may have been a miscommunication between Benfica and Richard. The entire thing at this point has escalated quickly into something that should've never gotten outta hand in the first place.

I personally would've proven my claims clearly to the seller before engaging in any post-sale transactions and have it documented for the apparent reasons.

Apparently, here on AZ, we are love the fact that we can do a deal and not sweat the small stuff so we often times, get in a hurry and may not be as thorough with the more necessary descriptions in the details of our transactions. I think the community of AZ if overall a unique and extremely 'strong willed' community with a kind of pulse rarely detected in other communities. We should consider ourselves fortunate to have each other, and should therefore respect one another.

I personally think both of these guys are of solid reputation and avoid taking sides, helping both of them 'meet in the middle'. I think both sides are to blame for leaving the finer details out, hence creating a cloud of misunderstanding.

All of this is just one more thing we can all learn from.
 
sold a blue grass here (what would you do?)

I would have kept my mouth shut and dealt with it.

Do not mean to be rude but imo both of you should just stfu and compromise w/each sharing in the loss.

By running your mouths both of you have lost way more credibility than money.

That's my take. Sorry if I offend.
 
BENFICA said:
I hope you apologize publicly the name you called me, specially without knowing the rest the story, just my 5 cents.
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You're right. I'm sorry.

I saw a $104 bill for a joint cap repair and jumped to conclusions.
 
you need to ask us????

It's too bad Richard doesn't post here(does he?) Although it may seem unusual, it doesn't sound unreasonable that Richard would ask for the whole cue if his "intent" was as described. That is making sure the caps are flush with the cue. Even though one poster said that repair would not require the cue, we don't really know what Richard requested. Like others here, I have spoken to bill about cues and know his reputation here shines like the noon day sun... But I've also spoken to Tony at length on numerous occasions and have NO reason to believe that his version of this transaction is not ALSO true. Seems like one big Cluster f**k that would have been best kept and worked out in the shadows.

With the amount of experience and volume that Bill has selling cues, I can't believe this is the first time a "mis-communication" has led to this kind of tit for tat. I have no doubt that he knew from the beginning EXACTLY what to do and how to handle this professionally. The idea that he needs to ask us "AZ" how to handle it leads me to the possible conclusion that he was trying "influence the jury" if you will. I know both of these guys can work it out, hopefully they will keep it out of the gutter while they do!
 
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Its all pretty petty but...

Trying too include the tip repair was trying to take advantage for sure. Even if hes got zillions of dollars that wasnt right...

What you should have done was just call the cue maker ask how much the cap repair was and send the cash with a not so pleasant note. Done. The last thing Az needed was 4 pages of crap about the most retarted bad cue deal. 100 bucks, I know times are tough, but come on its getting pretty petty...
 
I have decided to send him 25 for the cap repair and 25.00 for what ever he wants to apply it to shipping or tips , but the reason of this post is princable. I said i would cover the caps. then the buyer sends it off and gets the but refinished (or repaired) tips put on and the cue polished. and wants to slip me the charge ,and never said sorry ,Ill adjust the amount. instead demands shipping and insurance and 4% fees ect.Demanding and condicending! if he wanted I would have had the cue done and charged accordingly. but i sold the cue for under 1100.00 because it had a ding in the butt sleeve! it is just thiungs like this that make it harder for genuine people trying to deal.
its like , somone buying a car and test driving it to find out there is a broken belt in the tire and the dealer said replace it and bill me! then he gets a dent fixed and add tires and says you owe me, my total bill was! and I want paypal so add 4%.
Idont need an apology and not concerned with the 104.00 but Ihave to stand on princible. so people dont do it to others..
Thank you azers for your input iam pay paling money now
 
cornerstone said:
I have decided to send him 25 for the cap repair and 25.00 for what ever he wants to apply it to shipping or tips , but the reason of this post is princable. I said i would cover the caps. then the buyer sends it off and gets the but refinished (or repaired) tips put on and the cue polished. and wants to slip me the charge ,and never said sorry ,Ill adjust the amount. instead demands shipping and insurance and 4% fees ect.Demanding and condicending! if he wanted I would have had the cue done and charged accordingly. but i sold the cue for under 1100.00 because it had a ding in the butt sleeve! it is just thiungs like this that make it harder for genuine people trying to deal.
its like , somone buying a car and test driving it to find out there is a broken belt in the tire and the dealer said replace it and bill me! then he gets a dent fixed and add tires and says you owe me, my total bill was! and I want paypal so add 4%.
Idont need an apology and not concerned with the 104.00 but Ihave to stand on princible. so people dont do it to others..
Thank you azers for your input iam pay paling money now
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Bill,
Keep the money. You are still calling me a dishonest guy and I do not need your charity. This was nothing than a misunderstanding and you keep saying that I tried to take the money from you. Shame on you :mad:
You had the time to post on AZ but you did not have the time to call me and solve the issue in an adult way Bill.
If you send me the money to look good in front of all AZ'ers it will be refunded right back to you.
 
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Bill,
Keep the money. You are still calling me a dishonest guy and I do not need your charity. This was nothing than a misunderstanding and you keep saying that I tried to take the money from you. Shame on you :mad:
You had the time to post on AZ but you did not have the time to call me and solve the issue in an adult way Bill.
If you send me the money to look good in front of all AZ'ers it will be refunded right back to you.
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I don't know you but you seem like a good guy, I do know Bill and I think you should take the $50 dollars that he is sending you. I think everyone here agrees that some money should be paid to you for the damage in shipping. Keep the money and I am sure there won't be any hard feelings with Bill.
 
BENFICA said:
Bill,
Keep the money. You are still calling me a dishonest guy and I do not need your charity. This was nothing than a misunderstanding and you keep saying that I tried to take the money from you. Shame on you :mad:
You had the time to post on AZ but you did not have the time to call me and solve the issue in an adult way Bill.
If you send me the money to look good in front of all AZ'ers it will be refunded right back to you.
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I have no axe to grind here but I find the term misunderstanding laughable here. Did you not try to get Bill to pay for things that weren't his responsibility? Maybe I read it wrong, I've done that before, but this doesn't look like a misunderstanding to me.
 
Guys, its $125.00 here...lets not drag each others name into the ground with comments for everyone to see and take sides. Your viewpoints have been posted, settle the rest privately. I know we want to have good ethics, and its the principle in the matter etc...but you both do a lot of business here and need set an example for us newbies that may want to do business with either of you in the future...just my 2 cents.
 
Koop said:
I have no axe to grind here but I find the term misunderstanding laughable here. Did you not try to get Bill to pay for things that weren't his responsibility? Maybe I read it wrong, I've done that before, but this doesn't look like a misunderstanding to me.
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Obviously you did not read my response, only looked at what Bill wrote on here.
 
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