Some Kind of Gambling Etiquette, Please!
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crawfish said:
I guess it is. It's not a game when you're stuck and someone quits though, right? It's happened to me a lot. My move when someone quits abruptly is.... "I'm not paying." Let them leave pissed and enraged... they're bad action anyways.
Older Generation & Gambling
Like they say, I feel your pain. I think the only answer is to play a longer race for more $$, and then you probably won't get played at all. I have been trying to drum up some action on another thread, and the only legitimate response that I received was frrom an out of state player and I have to wait a few weeks to play. I have always been some of the best action in any pool room I played at. Won't lose a fortune, but will gamble and not quit after a few games. I played a world beater with some weight for $50 a game and he quit after losing two games. So now I'm giving odds on the money too, so the next few times we played, we played races to 4 (one pocket) for more $$. I didn't end up winning, but at least I was getting a better gamble for my $$. Just my chance to join the rant about the action out there these days. John Henderson
crawfish said:
Like they say, I feel your pain. I think the only answer is to play a longer race for more $$, and then you probably won't get played at all. I have been trying to drum up some action on another thread, and the only legitimate response that I received was frrom an out of state player and I have to wait a few weeks to play. I have always been some of the best action in any pool room I played at. Won't lose a fortune, but will gamble and not quit after a few games. I played a world beater with some weight for $50 a game and he quit after losing two games. So now I'm giving odds on the money too, so the next few times we played, we played races to 4 (one pocket) for more $$. I didn't end up winning, but at least I was getting a better gamble for my $$. Just my chance to join the rant about the action out there these days. John Henderson
Bottom line is losing sucks , losing to someone you don't respect is worse. I'd say either shrug it off as just a bad night and/or don't get into games with people like that in the first place. Just curious , if his attude sucked after the league match , why ask him to play some more ?
I'm not sure what Ida done , just thinking that I had just beat him in league play unless he looked like he had deep pockets OR unless he was setting you up the whol time
. . . I think I would have just walked past as he was hooping up the 'close' lose and said I've never seen anyone so happy to get beat in front of all his friends and bought him a drink. 
I'm not sure what Ida done , just thinking that I had just beat him in league play unless he looked like he had deep pockets OR unless he was setting you up the whol time
. . . I think I would have just walked past as he was hooping up the 'close' lose and said I've never seen anyone so happy to get beat in front of all his friends and bought him a drink. I'm no expert in such matters, but I'd have to agree with the others who say that you spotted this guy too much. And I don't mean this based on 20/20 hindsight. I've played a lot of APA pool, and about every 7 I've seen has been a serious shooter. I agree that his "I have to leave in 15 minutes" maneuver showed a lack of etiquette, and I can understand your irritation.
I was just trying to stir up some action.
Sometimes, just getting the poolroom in the "gambling state of mind" is artful. The bug catches on, and you can have some decent action. I sometimes give these ridiculous spots to stir things up. Also, people seeing someone give up crazy spots and get beat is not always a bad thing. For later, I mean. Not that I lose on purpose. I got beat. Plain and simple. I did leave out part of the story, though. The next guy, after seeing me lose, asked for the same game. He was set on "go." I told him that my "Spot" got run over and I'd play some even. I got my cash back plus a buck. The guy was so ready to play that he might have given me weight. I was not mad when I started this thread, I just was ticked off at what pool has become and the lack of respect for the pool action in general.nola22 said:
i'm 40 too, been around pool since 85,
i put someone in action in Hardtimes-cheap. I flashed 10 dimes when we started, it was liability on the 12' table, only $5/pt so there might be a $300 swing, were stuck $140 and the guy thats playing the guy i put in action says he has to go at the end of the frame and can play again in 2-3 hours when half the balls on the table (giving us a 5 minute notice), I guess he saw something he didnt like and wanted to lock up his $$$. It was a BS move. He isnt a kid, hell he is old enough to be my dad. Little does he know he knocked his action with me-forever. I have no respect for people who let you know 10 minutes before they have to quit you no matter how the $$$ stands. Nits is what they are. I have awalys said last set, if I have to go if I'm way ahead, I offer to bet it all to let them get even or I double up or make them a deal that they like-I dont like to burn bridges.
i put someone in action in Hardtimes-cheap. I flashed 10 dimes when we started, it was liability on the 12' table, only $5/pt so there might be a $300 swing, were stuck $140 and the guy thats playing the guy i put in action says he has to go at the end of the frame and can play again in 2-3 hours when half the balls on the table (giving us a 5 minute notice), I guess he saw something he didnt like and wanted to lock up his $$$. It was a BS move. He isnt a kid, hell he is old enough to be my dad. Little does he know he knocked his action with me-forever. I have no respect for people who let you know 10 minutes before they have to quit you no matter how the $$$ stands. Nits is what they are. I have awalys said last set, if I have to go if I'm way ahead, I offer to bet it all to let them get even or I double up or make them a deal that they like-I dont like to burn bridges.
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Me too.
I started playing in 85' in college. Fell in love with the game. I do agree with you, though. See, this fellow was torturing me for the first time and didn't want to finish me. He even stuck around for another twenty-thirty minutes talking after we had put up the rack. The guy is a nice fella and I'm sure he just doesn't know better. But.... some guys do this kind of thing on a regular basis, knowing better. I avoid those guys like the plague.Fatboy said:
crawfish said:
I think you need to lose some weight.
tap tap Bazooka.
I think it's silly to make rules like "winner can't quit without giving a guy a chance at his money back". You must have mistaken the kid for the welfare office. It's not your money, it's his now. And he's not obligated to give anyone a run at HIS money. He can do whatever he wants with it, including stroll right out of the pool hall.
If you treat it like it's only his money until you're willing to let him walk away, then you're just running a rigged game on him, it's not really 'his' under those conditions. When you gamble, you should treat it as true gambling, not playing until you have enough 2nd and 3rd chances to win it back.
I might tell a guy my time limit out of courtesy, but I might also pull up winner if he plays strong (or if I know I'm just robbing him, or if the set is taking too long to be worth the money, or for any number of good reasons). He did you a courtesy letting you play him cheap when he coulda robbed you out of bigger bucks with your huge spot screwup.
I think it's silly to make rules like "winner can't quit without giving a guy a chance at his money back". You must have mistaken the kid for the welfare office. It's not your money, it's his now. And he's not obligated to give anyone a run at HIS money. He can do whatever he wants with it, including stroll right out of the pool hall.
If you treat it like it's only his money until you're willing to let him walk away, then you're just running a rigged game on him, it's not really 'his' under those conditions. When you gamble, you should treat it as true gambling, not playing until you have enough 2nd and 3rd chances to win it back.
I might tell a guy my time limit out of courtesy, but I might also pull up winner if he plays strong (or if I know I'm just robbing him, or if the set is taking too long to be worth the money, or for any number of good reasons). He did you a courtesy letting you play him cheap when he coulda robbed you out of bigger bucks with your huge spot screwup.
Courtesy?
I wouldn't have bet big with that spot. It's all relative to how much you bet. I know his speed very well. We've played quite a few times. My point is..... pool gambling is VERY different than 15 years ago. I actually saw a guy the other night get seven sets down, finally won a set and the guy pulled up. That's the kind of thing I am referring to. I guess from what some you guys feel, I am going to ask for a resume and credit check, and references before even trying to match up. The people that do need a resume more than not will not what I truly call "gamble." They have not one, but three balls the best of it, or they won't play.CreeDo said:
crawfish said:
Holy crap, they played eight sets! That would take a long time, bro! What do you expect, for the winner to say, "You're six sets down, so I am saying right now, I gotta go in 3 hours, so you'll have a chance to win it back by then." ?
Russ
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It sounds like you need to establish how many sets you are going to play when you first make the game. If someone says "Wanna play a race to 7 for $50", that is exactly what I am agreeing to. If I win, pay me and then we will see about another game. If I don't feel like playing anymore, you have no right to copmplain. You should let the guy know ahead of time if you want to play more than one set. This is why I only gamble with people that I know, so nobody cries about the money.
This is about what I do if I'm not wanting to play all night...I'll tell them I'll play 3 sets for example win or lose before we start to play...this settles alot of problems and animosity...SpiderWebComm said:
It was a trip.
They were playing races to seven for three hundred, and I have to say it was pretty exciting to watch. These guys both play very offensive run and gun style. I couldn't believe the guy pulled up after losing the eighth set (after winning seven in a row). He just said, "you're getting into stroke, time for me to quit." I thought the guy would kill him. His face turned red and he just sat down. The guy didn't even catch his $17 pool time. Wild, huh?Russ Chewning said: