Sometimes This Place Can Be Discouraging

tom mcgonagle

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I started a thread on Jan2. I offered the first chapter of my book, Right on Cue, FREE OF CHARGE, to anyone that sent me their e-mail address in a private message.

Today the thread was removed from the main forum, and moved to the Wanted/ for Sale Section. I don't understand. I wasn't selling the chapter. I was giving it away, FREE.

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http://tommcgonaglerightoncue.com
 
I started a thread on Jan2. I offered the first chapter of my book, Right on Cue, FREE OF CHARGE, to anyone that sent me their e-mail address in a private message.

Today the thread was removed from the main forum, and moved to the Wanted/ for Sale Section. I don't understand. I wasn't selling the chapter. I was giving it away, FREE.

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http://tommcgonaglerightoncue.com
All admins are not created equal...LOL
 
Tom,

I would think even if your giving away a piece of your book, ultimately your goal would be to try and sell the book, correct?

It's really no different than Taco Bell or Denny's giving away free food. The goal is to get people in your business and entice them to buy something.

There's nothing wrong with it getting moved there, IMO.

Good Luck with your book!

I started a thread on Jan2. I offered the first chapter of my book, Right on Cue, FREE OF CHARGE, to anyone that sent me their e-mail address in a private message.

Today the thread was removed from the main forum, and moved to the Wanted/ for Sale Section. I don't understand. I wasn't selling the chapter. I was giving it away, FREE.

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http://tommcgonaglerightoncue.com
 
Yeah, I think they call that a loss leader or something. Well Tom, I enjoyed the book and hope you sell some, there are plenty of eyeballs who look at the for sale section too.
 
I started a thread on Jan2. I offered the first chapter of my book, Right on Cue, FREE OF CHARGE, to anyone that sent me their e-mail address in a private message.

Today the thread was removed from the main forum, and moved to the Wanted/ for Sale Section. I don't understand. I wasn't selling the chapter. I was giving it away, FREE.

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http://tommcgonaglerightoncue.com

Tom,
You might try putting the first chapter in a web link somewhere and put it in your signature but with something like below:

Click here to read the first chapter of my new, exciting book about pool.

Instead of the link of "aboutbook", place the first chapter on your website and have the first chapter as the link.

Best Regards,
JoeyA
 
I understand loss leaders and getting people interested to sell something, but I also see nothing wrong with Tom offereing to give a chapter away for free in the main forum. God knows we see much more useless threads :)

I also know that I dont run the forums, so my oppinion means bupckus :D
 
I started a thread on Jan2. I offered the first chapter of my book, Right on Cue, FREE OF CHARGE, to anyone that sent me their e-mail address in a private message.

Today the thread was removed from the main forum, and moved to the Wanted/ for Sale Section. I don't understand. I wasn't selling the chapter. I was giving it away, FREE.

______________________________________

http://tommcgonaglerightoncue.com

I can see why you might be discouraged Tom, but after reading a few of the great suggestions that these guys have offered that must be encouraging. Good luck with your book sells. If I can I will buy one myself this summer.
 
I guess the way I rationalize my thinking is: I give away a lot of free information on how to play the game and that doesn't get sent over to another forum. Yes I am looking to possibly sell my book if people read the first chapter but they are not obligated to do so. I see people giving out information about the game and they have their web site posted for you to purchase their products.

That's all I have to say on the matter. If my thread had been moved when I posted it I wouldn't have a problem with the action taken. Almost three months later, I don't see the rational.


Joey A,

Thanks for such a great suggestion but there's one problem. I'm lucky I can forward an e-mail.
 
What gets me is they pull threads like yours to the wanted/for sale forum yet there has been one on here for a year in many forms. If the mod is going to pull some, then he should pull all threads that are just sales pitches dressed up to look like something else. Johnnyt
 
That's all I have to say on the matter. If my thread had been moved when I posted it I wouldn't have a problem with the action taken. Almost three months later, I don't see the rational.
My guess would be there was a complaint that caused the scrutiny.
But that is of course just a guess!
 
What gets me is they pull threads like yours to the wanted/for sale forum yet there has been one on here for a year in many forms. If the mod is going to pull some, then he should pull all threads that are just sales pitches dressed up to look like something else. Johnnyt

Hey buddy, have you ever tried that new aiming method, "perfect aim"????
 
All admins are not created equal...LOL

He is lucky someone did not write a review on that thread, it would have been swiped to the review section months ago by that admin!

At least there the thread would not die a very quick death due to the shear volume of threads posted on the Wanted/For Sale section.
 
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In the past there have been cases of over-zealous self-promotion, although it was frequently for some mumbo jumbo aiming method rather than the genuine knowledge you offer. Perhaps the admins were just following a precedent to control this sort of posting.

Your offer of a free chapter still constitutes advertising since it involves contacting you, presumably to receive more info about the book. Posting info directly on the forums is the preferred means of communication.

I have seen you shoot and know you are a skilled and knowledgeable pro with a track record to boot. Perhaps azbilliards could benefit from your knowledge with a regular (or semi-regular) article published in the instructional section? This would get a wide readership and get the word out about what you have to offer....
 
Also, I seldom read any other forums and I miss many threads in the Main Forum because the thread title doesn't attract my attention or I don't have a history with the creator of the thread.

It isn't hard for me to pass over a subject that doesn't interest me, I'm surprised that people would complain about getting something for free.

I've seen many threads where people offered something for free and it was well received by most if not all.

About the only posts/threads that I detest are threads that are mean-spirited or just plain vulgar and that doesn't make any difference what forum they are located in.

When someone has written something totally distasteful about myself or another innocent person :grin-angelic:, it really chaps my azz and I have to bite my tongue because I don't send threats in PM's and don't want to make an azz out of myself by posting how I feel at the moment.

I try to post the same way I expect other people to post, with civility.

The bottom line is the Main Forum is a far better place for products to be introduced. Those type of threads produce a lot of good discussion which is healthy for the AZBilliards.

Looking at it from the owner's viewpoint, if you start making some sales and profit due to your posting in the Main Forum, I would hope the "quasi-advertisers" would have the decency to purchase an ad on my website. If they didn't, I would swat them like a fly and never think twice about it. (But I don't own this website) ;)

The bottom line is we are all guests on AZBilliards. It's still a great place to visit, make new friends and squabble with old ones. :D

JoeyA
 
I want to thank everyone that responded to my thread. Whether or not you took my side or not it doesn't matter.

I want people to know my intentions for the game and the sales of my book are not totally selfish. I have a tournament in my story that has a $500,000 first prize. I want to make this tournament a reality but I can't possibly get the people I need to listen to me without your help.

That's my plan in a nutshell.

Thanks for listening.

Tom McGonagle
 
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