Squirt, swerve, and throw...

[Peer]

I'm curious to know how many of you use English for long cut-shots that don't require position (or risking a scratch) -- keeping in mind squirt, throw, and swerve.

-- peer

 

[Cue Freak]

If I don't have to get position and am not going to scratch, I usually just use straight top, unless it's on the short rail, then I'll use some inside english.

 

[BazookaJoe]

I use center follow on this shot (without consideration for the scratch).
Unless the cloth conditions a poor, in which case I will roll very few shots.

 

[42NateBaller]

Assuming no scratch potential or rail cut, then I use center ball. I try reduce the difficulty level by not using side english (unless it will increase my ability to make the ball and/or gain position).

 

[Mr. Wilson]

Funny, I would prefer to throw it. Don't really have a good reason why, I just would.

 

[PoolSponge]

I answered right draw. That said, I play each shot by feel. I try to play my cue ball into position of safe so I look at my first rail contact that gets me where I want for safe. I would check what english gets me there and play that. Some days I like to throw the shot, others I like centre shots.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

i use just a half-tip of right to eliminate the chance of a skid - depending on the speed of the shot and position of the OB.

 

[Peer]

PoolSponge wrote:
> I try to play my cue ball into position of safe so I look at my
> first rail contact that gets me where I want for safe.


The question was -- what's the surest way to make this shot DISREGARDING its leave.

-- peer

 

[Handsumm]

i use just a half-tip of right to eliminate the chance of a skid - depending on the speed of the shot and position of the OB.

Put me on that list as well. A little "helper" English, as Buddy would say, to quell the contact induced throw.

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

In a long cut shot, strong hit center ball draw ! less chance of scratching than a follow.

 

[Hierovision]

use center ball and aim slightly more to the right instead of adding right english to compensate for throw... seems overcomplicated when you can just adjust very very slightly.

 

[bogey54311]

Put me on that list as well. A little "helper" English, as Buddy would say, to quell the contact induced throw.

yup, thats the right awnser.
the awnser the good players will say.



chris G<------------(i'm ready for war)

 

[3andstop]

I think a dead center ball hit introduces its own independant chances of skid, cue ball to cue tip, which could instantly throw it off a little before it ever reached the object ball. Sometimes those hits kind of "thud". I would opt for either a slightly above center medium speed rolling shot that allowed the cue ball normal roll, or drag draw firm with a touch of outside.

Thats on the 45 degree shot, if you took most all of that angle away where it was nearly straight in and long, I like an ever so slight touch of inside low to help avoid unwanted throw by not cueing the ball dead center. The slight inside (and I do mean slight) gives me a concious focus not to throw a long shot by mistake.

 

[VonRhett]

Me 2!! Just a tip or so of right will do the trick.

-von

Put me on that list as well. A little "helper" English, as Buddy would say, to quell the contact induced throw.

 

[Peer]

Before I put in my 2 cents, I was hoping that Bob Jewett would speak up.

-- peer

 

[Bob Jewett]

Before I put in my 2 cents, I was hoping that Bob Jewett would speak up.

-- peer

I already voted for center follow.

You have to know the cut angles for follow shots without side spin since those should represent the largest fraction of your shots -- a simple rolling cue ball. Further, if you tend to hit the cue ball slightly to one side (unintended side spin) playing with follow will tend to reduce the effect of the error. Lastly, if you do need to know how far the cue ball is going, the most accurate (by one measure) place to hit the cue ball is with about half of full follow.

This kind of shot is one of those that would make an excellent "you try, I try" shot at an AZB get-together. Set up the object ball on the foot spot and the cue ball on the head spot, and see which technique is most effective. Not scientific, but it would be interesting to try.

 

[Fatboy]

i voted center follow, its a bit harder and my % chance of making it is a bit lower but i'm working on that now, but i believe its the correct answere.

my highest % chance of making it is to hit it with a bit of draw because i have shot it that way so many times.

i dont like to put right/left on any cut shot unless its for shape, just to many moving parts for me and complications.

 

[Peer]

I voted Right-draw English since that's the shot (in my mind) that makes the cue-ball most neutral on impact with the object-ball -- i.e., less roll and throw.

Now I'm curious how this poll breaks down in regards to skill level -- how the pro players voted compared to us mere mortals.

-- peer

 

[BRKNRUN]

I don't have any scientific studies to back this up, but when if use follow, I tend to hit the ball "thick" and drive it into the end rail..

When I use a touch of draw...or a little low outside, I get the "feeling" the the OB rolls truer.

 

[Peer]

BRKNRUN wrote:
> When I use a touch of draw...or a little low outside, I get the "feeling" the the OB rolls truer.

This is exactly my understanding too, hence, I'm kind of surprised at the poll results.

-- peer