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I know this is slightly off topic, but I've been wondering about this for quite some time. I keep hearing about the war on drugs in the Philippines and how out of control it is, people getting gunned down in the street by police, thousands of suspect deaths and a possible out of control police force, with an out there President.

My question is if any of you are friendly with any Pinoy's (maybe you shouldn't mention any names, especially the ones on visas), how do they feel about this, do they even talk about it or is it the 800lb gorilla in the room, or maybe they agree with it? I'm very curious as I love pool and did plan on visiting there one day, being I smoke pot that's not happening now.....
 
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The short answer to your question is that, unlike in this country, the great majority (like 80%) overwhelmingly support their President. The Philippines government has been rife with corruption for decades and he is really draining the swamp over there, going after not only drug dealers but all criminal syndicates and corrupt politicians on the take. Duterte is a Man of the people! He wants to create a better life for his fellow Pinoys.

Yes he is harsh, there is no question about that. He first gives the corrupt politicians and white collar criminals a warning to stop their activities. If they heed his warning they are allowed to remain free. If not, they are dealt with harshly, imprisoned or executed if they resist arrest. Drug dealers are given no such warning. They are arrested and imprisoned with their trials put on hold indefinitely. If they resist arrest in any way, then the consequences are severe and fast.

The resistance to Duterte is coming from the very wealthy who have controlled the country and the politicians for decades. A much different scenario then what we face here, with people divided along party lines.

P.S. DO NOT partake in drugs or be around that kind of activity when you are over there and you won't have any problems. The only foreigners who are threatened by the Duterte policies are those who are engaged in illegal activities. For the most part, it is the Chinese who control a lot of the major drug trade. I have yet to hear of any American being caught up in it. One or two Australians have gotten themselves in hot water though.
 
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jay helfert said:
The short answer to your question is that, unlike in this country, the great majority (like 80%) overwhelmingly support their President. The Philippines government has been rife with corruption for decades and he is really draining the swamp over there, going after not only drug dealers but all criminal syndicates and corrupt politicians on the take. Duterte is a Man of the people! He wants to create a better life for his fellow Pinoys.

Yes he is harsh, there is no question about that. He first gives the corrupt politicians and white collar criminals a warning to stop their activities. If they heed his warning they are allowed to remain free. If not, they are dealt with harshly, imprisoned or executed if they resist arrest. Drug dealers are given no such warning. They are arrested and imprisoned with their trials put on hold indefinitely. If they resist arrest in any way, then the consequences are severe and fast.

The resistance to Duterte is coming from the very wealthy who have controlled the country and the politicians for decades. A much different scenario then what we face here, with people divided along party lines.
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Thank you for your insight Jay as I know you're friend's with quite a few of the Pinoy's, It was as I might of suspected a country fraught with corruption and a hard line President would be popular especially if the country is not as divided politically. I do have to say though from the media I have seen it is far worse than that......lots of rape by the police and drug users getting shot on sight, but I only see the media, I'm not actually there....thanks again Jay.
 
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chemrvos1972 said:
Thank you for your insight Jay as I know you're friend's with quite a few of the Pinot's, It was as I might of suspected a country fraught with corruption and a hard line President would be popular especially if the country is not as divided politically. I do have to say though from the media I have seen it is far worse than that......lots of rape by the police and drug users getting shot on sight, but I only see the media, I'm not actually there....thanks again Jay.
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You're welcome. There have been instances of vigilante justice and old grudges are getting settled. The Philippines, like the U.S., is a well armed country. Their gun laws are very restrictive (more than ours) on who can buy and own hand guns. But the criminals can always find a way to get one (remember what I said about corruption in government offices). By the way the correct spelling of the word is Pinoys.
 
And o would add that pool players are notoriously unconcerned with politics and social issues.

They just want to knock balls in holes.
 
I have a Pinoy friend who goes back once in a while...smaller city.
In 2007 and 2009 it wasn’t safe to leave the house after dark...now it is.
His parents are there right now having a wonderful time.

The mayor has been executed and the gangsters that ruled the streets after dark have left...
....either voluntarily or in body bags.

The times can be scary, but at least it’s even scarier for the bad guys.
This is what Mexico needs, their troubles can’t be solved by civil courts, it needs martial
law and the rules of war to have a chance against the cartels.
We have a few Norte Americano cities that could use this also.
 
pt109 said:
I have a Pinoy friend who goes back once in a while...smaller city.
In 2007 and 2009 it wasn’t safe to leave the house after dark...now it is.
His parents are there right now having a wonderful time.

The mayor has been executed and the gangsters that ruled the streets after dark have left...
....either voluntarily or in body bags.

The times can be scary, but at least it’s even scarier for the bad guys.
This is what Mexico needs, their troubles can’t be solved by civil courts, it needs martial
law and the rules of war to have a chance against the cartels.
We have a few Norte Americano cities that could use this also.
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The main southern island (second largest in the Philippines) of Mindanao is currently under martial law and has been for about six months now. This island has long been a haven for terrorist groups, most of whom are opposed to Duterte's rule. He is in the process of either having them sign peace treaties or eliminating them if they won't. The entire island is unsafe for foreigners (although many still live there in the major cities) and is on our U.S. no-travel list.
 
I understand the need to crack down on criminals and terrorists, but one has to be very careful about embracing martial law and autocratic rule. The 20th century taught us that lesson.

I’m sure they are rounding up and killing some guys that deserve little to no sympathy but it is hard to know exact facts on that with no due process of law.

On a side note, I’ve read that the Philippines and Mexico are two of the most dangerous places to be a journalist. Very high fatality rate unfortunately.
 
Contrary to what some have said, Duterte is not a man of the people, he's a man that's addicted to wealth & power. His supposed "swamp draining" is only him refilling the "swamp" with political supporters.

Just a few days ago he admitted to being a dictator, which is no surprise to anyone that has paid attention to things here in the RP. Link

Most of the people do seem to support him, but you have to understand that most Pinoys are very poorly educated and live in a fish bowl.

The police are as corrupt as the politicians. Most get their jobs because of who they know, not what they know, or their honesty.

His so called war on drugs is a power grab in my view. His death squads have murdered thousands of people (including adolescents) and political opponents. Many times the "police" are believed to plant sachets of drugs on the deceased as justification. It streamlines things when the police are judge/jury/executioner.

Most of us that live here, fully expect him to try an circumvent the constitutional one 6 year term as president either via Cha-Cha (Charter Change) or nationwide martial law.

Other than that, Duterte seems like a swell guy. :wink:
 
The US is who set the cabal of criminals up in power in the Philippines. We used that island to traffic guns, drugs and underaged hookers for years. We used the same tactics there as we used in the Iran - Contra scandal and the same tactics we were employing in Benghazi. This crap has been going on since the Spanish-American war when we took the Philippines from Spain.

We used them and held them down for years. We actually paid workers $0.67 a day for labor on US vessels (1988). It broke my heart to see that level of corruption and the absolute lack of compassion for humans.

God bless Duterte for taking charge and making the tough decisions. In fact, he broke off contact with the US when the criminal bamster tried to stop Duterte. That's why Duterte called him the "Son of a Wh@re". After Trump got elected and Sessions was appointed AG, Duterte was one of the first foreign leaders to meet with the Trump admin. He immediately went home and shut down the CIA ran whore houses and partnered with Russia for defense. (read below)

Russia-Philippines Defense Ties to Get a New Boost
https://thediplomat.com/2017/10/russia-philippines-defense-ties-to-get-a-new-boost/



In fact, one of the theories that I personally believe is that Paddock and his Filipina girlfriend were running drugs, guns and human trafficking for the CIA. They recently arrested and charged his brother with child porn and drug trafficking. (read below)

Las Vegas Shooter Stephen Paddock Ran CIA Child Trafficking Ring?
https://www.goodreads.com/author_bl...tephen-paddock-ran-cia-child-trafficking-ring

Las Vegas Shooter Stephen Paddock Ran CIA Child Trafficking Ring
https://www.patreon.com/posts/las-vegas-ran-15014922

Stephen Paddock's brother 'is suspected drug dealer wanted by police'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...olice-claims-las-vegas-shooting-a7984851.html

Vegas Gunman Stephen Paddock’s Brother Arrested in Child Porn Probe
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ck-s-brother-custody-child-porn-probe-n811461



I love the Philippines and its people. I place the Filipinos on the same level as the US citizens. I spent a lot of time there and do miss it. I hope that soon the US backed corruption and oppression will be swept from that great island. I hope it will return to being safe for tourists again. I'll be retiring soon and would like to visit my second favorite country in the world one more time.

How can a country who backs pool as its national sport be wrong?

Drain the swamp Duerte!
 
pt109 said:
I have a Pinoy friend who goes back once in a while...smaller city.
In 2007 and 2009 it wasn’t safe to leave the house after dark...now it is.
His parents are there right now having a wonderful time.

The mayor has been executed and the gangsters that ruled the streets after dark have left...
....either voluntarily or in body bags.

The times can be scary, but at least it’s even scarier for the bad guys.
This is what Mexico needs, their troubles can’t be solved by civil courts, it needs martial
law and the rules of war to have a chance against the cartels.
We have a few Norte Americano cities that could use this also.
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Overall crime rates have dropped very significantly in the United States since the 1970s. An interesting fact that many people don't know about. I just read an interesting article addressing the theoretical reasons why the decline has occurred

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/02/12/the-great-crime-decline
 
Pangit said:
Contrary to what some have said, Duterte is not a man of the people, he's a man that's addicted to wealth & power. His supposed "swamp draining" is only him refilling the "swamp" with political supporters.

Just a few days ago he admitted to being a dictator, which is no surprise to anyone that has paid attention to things here in the RP. Link

Most of the people do seem to support him, but you have to understand that most Pinoys are very poorly educated and live in a fish bowl.

The police are as corrupt as the politicians. Most get their jobs because of who they know, not what they know, or their honesty.

His so called war on drugs is a power grab in my view. His death squads have murdered thousands of people (including adolescents) and political opponents. Many times the "police" are believed to plant sachets of drugs on the deceased as justification. It streamlines things when the police are judge/jury/executioner.

Most of us that live here, fully expect him to try an circumvent the constitutional one 6 year term as president either via Cha-Cha (Charter Change) or nationwide martial law.

Other than that, Duterte seems like a swell guy. :wink:
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I'm sure you have reason to feel this way, but I think it's a bit exaggerated. :shocked:
 
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Contrary to what some have said, Duterte is not a man of the people, he's a man that's addicted to wealth & power. His supposed "swamp draining" is only him refilling the "swamp" with political supporters.

Just a few days ago he admitted to being a dictator, which is no surprise to anyone that has paid attention to things here in the RP. Link

Most of the people do seem to support him, but you have to understand that most Pinoys are very poorly educated and live in a fish bowl.

The police are as corrupt as the politicians. Most get their jobs because of who they know, not what they know, or their honesty.

His so called war on drugs is a power grab in my view. His death squads have murdered thousands of people (including adolescents) and political opponents. Many times the "police" are believed to plant sachets of drugs on the deceased as justification. It streamlines things when the police are judge/jury/executioner.

Most of us that live here, fully expect him to try an circumvent the constitutional one 6 year term as president either via Cha-Cha (Charter Change) or nationwide martial law.

Other than that, Duterte seems like a swell guy. :wink:
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My wife is Filipino, educated and aware and I can assure you that you're "insight" is wrong as are most of your insights. I have personally spoken to countless residents there in PI and for the most part his tough love is a welcome relief. The people support him and he's doing the country right. Not sure what you've been up to there that's in disruption mode because of the new order but for sure it's seedy.

Jay's take is much closer to the truth.

JC
 
Very corrupt country... during election, they practice vote buying 1,000 pesos per vote. Some Mayors are drug lords or protectors. You can buy SHABU drugs everywhere , by pick up or by text and they deliver. A lot criminals for hire, kidnap for ransom, and ISIS. Overall not safe for foreigners...

Pres. Duterte campaigned for presidency and promise the people to kill the drug lords , his quote " there will be blood shed " stop corruption...and restore security in the Philippines. Thats why he won by land slide.. at least 5 millions difference... thats how bad the people needed change....

Now that he's the President his fulfilling his promise..Mayor Parojinog was well known the untouchable due to his guns , goons, and glory and drug cartel.. Guest what , dead as promise. ISIS attacked Marawi city, they are all dead also. Regarding Martial Law in Mindanao is to arrest with no warrant if needed. This is different from Marcos Martial law... Overall, he is no joke.... Is the Philippines safer than before? Yes..
The only down side is people die especially with the people abuses the power. The 16 millions that voted him are loving it but the Yellowtards doesn't...
 
Pangit said:
Contrary to what some have said, Duterte is not a man of the people, he's a man that's addicted to wealth & power. His supposed "swamp draining" is only him refilling the "swamp" with political supporters.

Just a few days ago he admitted to being a dictator, which is no surprise to anyone that has paid attention to things here in the RP. Link

Most of the people do seem to support him, but you have to understand that most Pinoys are very poorly educated and live in a fish bowl.

The police are as corrupt as the politicians. Most get their jobs because of who they know, not what they know, or their honesty.

His so called war on drugs is a power grab in my view. His death squads have murdered thousands of people (including adolescents) and political opponents. Many times the "police" are believed to plant sachets of drugs on the deceased as justification. It streamlines things when the police are judge/jury/executioner.

Most of us that live here, fully expect him to try an circumvent the constitutional one 6 year term as president either via Cha-Cha (Charter Change) or nationwide martial law.

Other than that, Duterte seems like a swell guy. :wink:
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I respect your opinion sir but definitely not what every pinoy thinks about Digong...im sure you have your reason why you have that sentiments, but with his leadership lots of changes here and most people trust him..if your doing nothing illegal or bad there is nothing to worry but if do illegal things then sure life will be more dangerous and high percentage of losing it...
 
Duterte wants to shut down Boracay

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Most of the country is a "cesspool" by western standards, why is he picking on Boracay? :scratchhead:
Foreigners have no say where Philippine authorities decide to dump waste. Pinoys like the money foreigners spend however.

PRESIDENT Rodrigo Duterte is mulling to shut down the resort island of Boracay, which he described as "cesspool."

Duterte made the pronouncement in a speech delivered during the Manila Times' business forum held in Davao City late night Friday, February 9.

"I will close Boracay. Boracay is a cesspool," the President said. "There will be a time that no more foreigner will go there because he will have -- when he goes back to the plane to where he belongs, he will be full of s*** going back and forth to the restroom."

Duterte was piqued by the numerous environmental concerns plaguing the popular island.

He said he could not stand the fact that Boracay, once in a pristine condition, is becoming polluted because of negligence.

"During days when I was there, garbage was just 20 meters away from the beach. At a distance, you see cotton balls in Boracay, [which] is a white sand," Duterte said.

"But you go into the water, it's smelly. Smell of what? S***, Because everything that goes out in Boracay… it's destroying the environment or the Republic of the Philippines and creating a disaster coming," he added.

There have been persistent demands to address environmental issues in Boracay as the island continues to draw more local and foreign visitors.

The President said he had already instructed Environment Secretary Roy Cimatu to find ways to end the problems besetting Boracay.

The Environment and Tourism departments have agreed to step up efforts to save Boracay, including penalizing establishments found to have violated environmental and other laws.
 
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Pangit said:
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Most of the country is a "cesspool" by western standards, why is he picking on Boracay? :scratchhead:
Foreigners have no say where Philippine authorities decide to dump waste. Pinoys like the money foreigners spend however.

PRESIDENT Rodrigo Duterte is mulling to shut down the resort island of Boracay, which he described as "cesspool."

Duterte made the pronouncement in a speech delivered during the Manila Times' business forum held in Davao City late night Friday, February 9.

"I will close Boracay. Boracay is a cesspool," the President said. "There will be a time that no more foreigner will go there because he will have -- when he goes back to the plane to where he belongs, he will be full of s*** going back and forth to the restroom."

Duterte was piqued by the numerous environmental concerns plaguing the popular island.

He said he could not stand the fact that Boracay, once in a pristine condition, is becoming polluted because of negligence.

"During days when I was there, garbage was just 20 meters away from the beach. At a distance, you see cotton balls in Boracay, [which] is a white sand," Duterte said.

"But you go into the water, it's smelly. Smell of what? S***, Because everything that goes out in Boracay… it's destroying the environment or the Republic of the Philippines and creating a disaster coming," he added.

There have been persistent demands to address environmental issues in Boracay as the island continues to draw more local and foreign visitors.

The President said he had already instructed Environment Secretary Roy Cimatu to find ways to end the problems besetting Boracay.

The Environment and Tourism departments have agreed to step up efforts to save Boracay, including penalizing establishments found to have violated environmental and other laws.
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I've never been there but I don't see this as a bad thing if he wants to light a fire under their ass and get them to clean the place up. Boracay has a reputation as a tourist trap, not exactly my favorite kind of place to visit. I'm more the Palawan type. :cool:
 
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