Ok, so we have heard Ric Jones opinion, who wasn't even present during the rant. Did Stevie get upset, yes. Was Stevie out of line, possibly. These are the facts that I witnessed, the table was open the first time Stevie played. Justin admits the stream table has been open at different times in the past, even tho Ric Jones denies ever opening the stream table. Stevie shows up to play SVB and wants to hit a few balls. Stevie goes to retrieve balls and there aren't any. Stevie inquires and is told the table is locked and he has to pay. Stevie obviously gets upset because the first time he played on the table it was open. Stevie goes over to SVB and starts questioning him about paying. SVB turns his hearing aid up so he can her Stevie. Stevie asks, SVB did you fall for this shit. Shane informs Stevie that he has been paying. Stevie is vocal and upset, Ken Shuman steps in. Ken and Stevie have words. Justin comes over, I am about twenty feet away so I don't hear everything that was said. Stevie mentions something about pay per view and Justin making money. Justin informs Stevie he is not making a dime and asks Stevie if he is calling him a liar to his face. Stevie retrieves his cell phone and both parties separate. Stevie leaves, gets composed, and comes back and beats Shane. Now is the time Stevie shows his professionalism! Stevie shows back up to the stream table, puts his tokens in to practice. Stevie is hitting balls trying to get prepared to play for the title. People in the audience are calling Stevie and asking him questions. Stevie walks over to each individual and is polite and answers there questions even tho he should be preparing for the finals with SVB. After the final match with SVB in which most would say Stevie choked to lose. Stevie did not slam the balls, smack his cue on the table, or act out. Stevie calmly put his cue away. Approximately 15 people walked up and talked to Stevie, he was calm and polite. So this showed true professionalism to me!!! People wonder why pool is in the state it is: Someone can cheat, hustle, and lie and people will say how great they are. A true professional goes on a 5 to 7 minute rant because he feels he is getting cheated and you try to crusify him. Please look at how many times Stevie has played in the USBTC, he obviously knows it is a pay to play event. Stevie obviously had reasons to be upset and as humans we all know if we are focused and something comes up to break our focus we can go off. Just my .10 cents, since is was much too long to be .02.
Stevie moore true professional!!!!
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Nice to see a positive thread about Stevie. He really is a good guy who just went on tilt for a few minutes due to a confusing situation.
Thanks. I must have missed that thread. I've been away from the forum for a while.
I think that Ric Jones guy is originally from Alaska, but I may be wrong. He looks familiar to me.
Looks like that thread is one of those three-sides-to-the-story happenings. The Stevie Moore I'm familiar with is nothing but first class, as is Shane Van Boening. As far as the rest of the characters, well, I ain't reading that whole read.
stevie is a class act
I don't know Stevie so I won't even comment on him personally, maybe this was a rare time he blew a fuse. In my opinion though, he took something extremely small and blew it WAY out of proportion. The only reason I can think of that he would make such a big deal out of this is because he was out of money and didn't have any tokens, but who knows but him? He is playing in the finals of a pretty big pay out tournament where he is going to make a couple Gs no matter what and he is complaining about a few dollars for the table? Seems pretty ridiculous to me unless he just didn't have the money for tokens. On another note, for him to take it to his opponet, the crowd, someone on the phone, Justin, Ken that was pretty childish also. He should have went straight to the TD and CALMLY asked why he had to pay for that match and didn't have to his first match. If he got a reasonable answer he should have just returned to the table and played his match, if he got a stupid, unreasonable, or rude response then by all means throw a fit I wouldn't blame you.
He's in the money and guaranteed $1000+ at this point in the tournament and he's gonna cry over spending a few dollars for the table? COME ON! That is part of the way they are able to bring in the money to ADD MONEY FOR THE PLAYERS!!!! And the PPV stream, another way to bring in money to add FOR THE PLAYERS!
Simply put, you cannot act like that... Why he would think someone is trying to screw him, and only out of a few dollars, its simply stupid. Stevie is a nice guy but I think he spent way too many years robbing people on the road that he thinks everyone is trying to rob him now.
Simply put, you cannot act like that... Why he would think someone is trying to screw him, and only out of a few dollars, its simply stupid. Stevie is a nice guy but I think he spent way too many years robbing people on the road that he thinks everyone is trying to rob him now.
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I WAS THERE. Shane sat there as cool as a cucumber. I was rooting for Shane, but was surprised how well Stevie palyed after all the pre match BS.
Nothing to do with being screwed out of a few dollars, its about principle. TV table was previously open and should always be open. The ppv stream should be happy to have a player of Stevie's ability to put on it.
I WAS THERE. Shane sat there as cool as a cucumber. I was rooting for Shane, but was surprised how well Stevie palyed after all the pre match BS.
Shane has learned to be cool as a cucumber, one little turn and his hearing aid is off without anyone even noticing.
i have a hearing problem also but i would not be calm as a cuecumber if stevie had called me a dumb fvck.
Thanks. I must have missed that thread. I've been away from the forum for a while.
I think that Ric Jones guy is originally from Alaska, but I may be wrong. He looks familiar to me.
Looks like that thread is one of those three-sides-to-the-story happenings. The Stevie Moore I'm familiar with is nothing but first class, as is Shane Van Boening. As far as the rest of the characters, well, I ain't reading that whole read.
Jennie:
Yes, that thread is sumpin'. Said in wild-wild-west style, "there was even a banning in them thar parts" (i.e. an aiming system advocate who got banned for over-the-top displays in his defense of a fellow aiming system practitioner, Stevie).
But one post that you'll want to read is Justin's:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=3469890#post3469890
Justin just has that inate talent of reversing the video of the conflagration, to the exact point where we see the fire being built, and the lit match that started it.
-Sean
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I remember playing Stevie at the Miz Championships where I got throttled by him. Afterward even in defeating me asked if I would like to have some dinner " I'm buying " he said. Got to know him , Class Act indeed.
Thanks for the Cliff Notes version, Sean! It was well written, but I wouldn't expect anything less from you.
Here's how I kind of see it, and I hope nobody slams me, at least not today, for expressing my thoughts. They're just my views, thoughts, and opinions -- nothing more, nothing less.
The pro player is the minority on this forum. As such, the readers don't get to hear the views, thoughts, and opinions from their vantage point very often. I think some -- not all --opinions expressed on this forum may be formed from what is read on this forum. And I also believe that the three-sides-to-the-story definitely comes into play many times.
A good friend and regular tournament-goer told me that there's kind of a "gangsta" atmosphere in some pool events today they have been noticing in the last few years. I think some folks may enjoy it, but it may not be everybody's cup of tea to see the exhibition of this "gangsta" behavior.
I really don't think anybody likes to feel threatened, whether it's physically, verbally, or even insinuated for that matter. I think men tend to lean in this direction more so than the ladies, but I may be wrong.
Seeing pool on both sides of the fence, I do understand the business end of it. Without a profit, why bother investing time and money into an dead-end situation? Sure, the pro players need to act like their name implies: "professionals." That's a given! :wink2:
Mike Zuglan doesn't give anybody favoritism at his events, I agree with that 100 percent. That's what I like about the Joss Northeast 9-Ball Tour, the longest-running regional tour in the country. Mike does everything he can, though, to make the pro player comfortable. He doesn't give them any advantage over any of the other players, but he does accord them a modicum of respect. Maybe that's because Mike used to compete professionally at one time and empathizes with their stance.
By the same token, even though the existing lot of American professional players is dwindling, don't you think the industry members can do just fine without them? After all, they can still host bar box events, league showdowns, regional tours, and ban the pros, like some regional tours do today. But when the few American pro players still in existence come onto the scene, it would be nice if they were granted a wee bit of recognition. A little bone with not much meat on it would suffice. If nobody gives a damn, though, then who cares?! Why bother inviting 'em anymore? Let them go to Qatar and China to compete, right? :grin-square:
Americans never did care much for the professional caliber of play. The leagues and recreational pool is where it's at in the United States. The American pro player you see today may be the last of a dying breed. God bless them. So the next time you see one of the endangered species, ask them to let you take their picture, pose with them, ask them for as many autographs as you can, and then go sell what you've been given for free on eBay. After all, it's not worth much to anybody else, other the pro player who's devoted their life to this wonderful game we call pool.
Most regional tours have banned the pro players from competing in their events, and if they do let them compete, they have to either pay a higher entry fee or spot their opponent 14 to 3 in a one-pocket tournament. Nice profession these professionals picked, huh? :thumbup:
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"Paragraph-ized" version of this thread's opening post
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Here you go! (Shown below -- I only periodically press the carriage-return key in certain spots to paragraph-ize it. No other modifications are made and any typos / grammatical errors are left in context as-is.)
-Sean
JDB:
Here you go! (Shown below -- I only periodically press the carriage-return key in certain spots to paragraph-ize it. No other modifications are made and any typos / grammatical errors are left in context as-is.)
-Sean