Stop in the name of love.....The Supremes (Palmer model 20's)

Fatboy said:
the chase storys are fun, and I dont think I ever told it here, I have a few more, perhaps we should do a thread about the great chases in our collecting fever we all seem to have, I bet Chris has lots of them with his collection of Palmers.

I didnt mean to get nosy or off topic about the price I was just stunned to see them, and while I do know a fair bit about cues, I know VERY little about Palmers. At some point I am going to learn about them, I said that in 93 when I knew a Palmer collector. So someday I'm going to study my palmer history.

Thanks for answereing my post, and congrats on the cues-they are just great like Blu hog rider said "Notched Diamonas are great" they and peacocks are my 2 favorite inlays. I perfer the style of notched diamonds on these cues.

my very best
eric :)
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Eric,
I grew up in North Jersey and I was about 25 minutes from the Palmer shop. However, when I got into pool Palmer was already in the import business. But I saw a ton of Palmers as a kid growing up. Everyone had them, or a Paradise, or a Szamboti, or an occasional Bushka. But like every kid, my interest was in cars and tail, not cues. :)

But the room owner had all the catalogs, and they were fun to look at. I even thought that the clear acrylic pool balls with the future style numbers were better than the balls currently at the pool hall, Centennials... lol

JV
 
UNTIL YOU SEE THESE CUES IN PERSON, YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW CLEAN THEY REALLY ARE........ I'VE SEEN A LOT OF PALMERS, BUT EVER ANYTHING CLOSE TO THESE 2 KILLERS.

THE PADUAK CUE IS BASICLY NEW, AND THE EBONY VERSION HAS EXTRA DIAMONDS IN THE RINGS, AND INLAYS IN THE FOREARM THAT I HAVE NEVER SEEN FROM PALMER BEFORE.


THEY ARE THE ABSOLUTE APEX OF ANY PALMER COLLECTION........

Marcus
 
classiccues said:
The padauk is really a cue I cannot express how nice it is. You know me, I sell, sell, sell.. but this cue has me rethinking that position... it's really a cue that unless someone pulls an amboyna model 20 out of their closet, IMHO, it's the supreme, supreme. Or we can just nickname it Diana Ross..

The condition alone on these cues are really lights out... I'll have them at Marcus' room tomorrow, I am sure he'll give his opinion...

JV
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Peter says the wraps on these were done by George Balabushka. I forgot George did wraps for Palmer - he also bought parts and shaft blanks from them.

They were a pair inspired by a similar pair done for one of their largest, wealthiest customers, and were very expensive even in early 1970's dollars.

These are two of the finest Model 20 Palmers ever made - I hope they stay paired when sold.

Chris
 
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TATE said:
Peter says the wraps on these were done by George Balabushka. I forgot George did wraps for Palmer - he also bought parts and shaft blanks from them.

They were a pair inspired by a similar pair done for one of their largest, wealthiest customers, and were very expensive even in early 1970's dollars.

These are two of the finest Model 20 Palmers ever made - I hope they stay paired when sold.

Chris
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I think that slightly changes the value.. lol

JV
 
TATE said:
Peter says the wraps on these were done by George Balabushka. I forgot George did wraps for Palmer - he also bought parts and shaft blanks from them.

They were a pair inspired by a similar pair done for one of their largest, wealthiest customers, and were very expensive even in early 1970's dollars.

These are two of the finest Model 20 Palmers ever made - I hope they stay paired when sold.

Chris
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So there is another Padauk supreme?
 
hangemhigh said:
So there is another Padauk supreme?
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I'll have to listen to the tapes I have to see if he mentions the wood types of the forementioned cues. We do know of the cues as then are mentioned on the Billiard Encyclopedia tapes. Like I said we did have a rosewood cue, the only other combo we have seen.

JV
 
hangemhigh said:
So there is another Padauk supreme?
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He said the pair was inspired - I doubt they were copies, but I'll check.

Normally, the lighter colored woods de-emphasize the pearl inlay work. It's interesting with this cue that the inlays tend to help show off the depth of the rays and figure in the Padauk by floating over the surface.

I've worked with mahogany that had this same effect - a 3D look - and it's stunning.

Chris
 
Joe,

These cues were certainly worth the time and effort you put into obtaining them! Thanks for sharing them... Chris is right, you need to sell these as a set!

Regards,

Steve
 
Hunter said:
Joe,

These cues were certainly worth the time and effort you put into obtaining them! Thanks for sharing them... Chris is right, you need to sell these as a set!

Regards,

Steve
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Well I will say this.. they are as interesting a pair of cues that I have ever gotten...

JV
 
Wow...........

classiccues said:
For the record...

Ebony cue... 19.8 oz...
Dots 16 per shaft, 44 in the butt
Diamonds - 8 each shaft, 28 in the butt
Flourettes - 4
Rings.. many...

Paduak - 20.5-20.2 oz
Dots - 20 each shaft, 68 butt
Diamonds - 4 per shaft, 12 butt
Rings... many...

JV
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JV,

I just completed printing out this thread, a total of 18 pages, just to capture the beauty of the cues and the interesting information along with them. This would be the first time I printed something out on AZ for a long, long time. The cues are amazing!

I own two of the Supremes, both in superb condition. One has in the foil "Willie Elders` Finest". I believe Willie was from Texas, was a very good pool player who traveled some with Mosconi, and was written about in magazines. Also a purveyor of Palmers in the Southwestern states.

I love Palmers, and still own about 30ish. My first fancy cue (in my mind) was an early Model J with reverse points. Later, I really liked the Model 20 cues but never sprung for one. I shoulda. I wish I had my first "J" back, with my name in the foil!

The two cues you picked up are stunning. Absolutely museum quality (wherever that museum may be).

When you sell, keep me in mind.

Will Prout
 
OMG!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and wraps done by Balabushka OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just amazing! Congrats!!

Mike
 
Those are amazing.

Chris, Weren't all of his inlays done on a drill press or with carving tools?? SO clean!

Amazing.
 
Here is what we learned so far...

Wraps: Almost certainly Bushka

From Pete Balner: I don't think you'll ever see better examples of Palmer's work than these 2 cues...

JV
 
they MUST be sold as a pair, it would be a shame for them to go different directions(unless they buyers knew each other and might pair them up down the road), I'm interested in them as well, no hurry-I have waited 15 years for a Szam:wink:, but all kidding aside I am interested.

Hearing Chris's input is cool too, I hope we can dig up more information on them, I have really enjoyed this thread-its up there with the Gus box cue on Ebay thread a few years ago....:smile:
 
There were a couple of the model 20's made in Padauk. It was a unique idea at that time - Peter got the wood at H.L. Wild's in New York, who supplied custom parts for guitar makers.

Matt- yes, Palmer had tools that were punches in the shape of the inlays - they laid out the pattern, punched the outline, then chiseled the pocket by hand.

Here's a brief history of Palmer from my web site - including discussions on their suppliers and metods for us cue junkies.

http://www.palmercollector.com/Palmerhistory.html


Chris
 
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This is truly what Cue Collecting is all about. What a Joy !!

Joe, thanks for letting us mere mortals enjoy what has taken you so long to acquire.

It's just unbelievable what people have built in the past, their thoughts and ideas put into a tangible product for all to enjoy - hopefully for generations to come.

Truly an inspiration for cue makers of the, " Now ", to emulate.

Can't thank you enough for sharing these pictures !!!!

These two cues are just unbelivable.
 
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Tommyd1 said:
This is truly what Cue Collecting is all about. What a Joy !!

Joe, thanks for letting us mere mortals enjoy what has taken you so long to acquire.

It's just unbelievable what people have built in the past, their thoughts and ideas put into a tangible product for all to enjoy - hopefully for generations to come.

Truly an inspiration for cue makers of the, " Now ", to emulate.

Can't thank you enough for sharing these pictures !!!!

These two cues are just unbelivable.
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Thanks...

Joe
 
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