Stroke Instructor Challenge

I have to say I'm a bit surprised that the stroke instructors will not so much as agree or disagree. How can you in good conscience speak so authoritatively and furthermore charge people for something you can't or won't clearly define and are unwilling or unable to defend?

Where did this come from??????

You are asking me to define something that is a person-to-person issue. I can't open my workbook and have the finite answers to your issues. Every student has the right to show us their process, then we can start working things out.

Come to Pool School and find out all your answers.
randyg
 
Luck...you seem to have some overpowering need to challenge people who probably forgot more about pool than you know.
Have you noticed that most instructors are more than willing to use our real names on here. We have nothing to hide.

Who the hell are you?????????????????


Steve
 
luckwouldhaveit:
Which is the forearm brake pedal. Your forearm muscles tense when you suddenly decelerate your arm.
The muscle involved in braking your stroke is primarily your tricep, on your upper arm.

Now clench a fist. Familiar feeling? Leave your hand at a relaxed (slightly curled) position. Now tense your forearm - can you do that without your fingers moving?
Irrelevant. Tensing the forearm muscles is not a major role in braking your stroke.

So my position is that the grip tends to tighten when the forearm decelerates the stroke, especially when it does so quickly.
You can brake or even stop your stroke without tightening your grip.

I think your premise is wrong.

pj
chgo
 
Have you noticed that most instructors are more than willing to use our real names on here. We have nothing to hide.

If you have nothing to hide and feel you have the qualifications to answer the question I posed, then simply answer it.

I will not consider someone a professional instructor unless they know what they teach and can explain it.
 
Where did this come from??????

You are asking me to define something that is a person-to-person issue. I can't open my workbook and have the finite answers to your issues. Every student has the right to show us their process, then we can start working things out.

I have taken this so called "individual basis" issue and explained it in a high-level way that is applicable to anyone, without giving away too much. What's so hard about that?

Come to Pool School and find out all your answers.

Why?
 
luckwouldhaveit, seems to me you've made, and supported, some good points. Hats off to Roger Long for his objectivity!
 
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I had the great pleasure of observing Francisco Bustamante's stroke from directly above him (from the balcony) at this years DCC. I must say that it's one of the most crooked strokes I have seen. I'm amazed that he hits them so well. A stroke is a personal thing.
 
Hmmm

If you have nothing to hide and feel you have the qualifications to answer the question I posed, then simply answer it.

I will not consider someone a professional instructor unless they know what they teach and can explain it.

Well, luck would have it (no pun intended) it is a very good thing your opinoin does not count one bit on who is and who is not a professional instructor. But you sir are walking a fine line on being a professional troll.

PS: I think you are an idiot....but just my unprofessional opinion of course.........
 
luckwould have it- first off, your whole premise of this thread was not to try and teach something, but to try and discredit the instructors on this forum. It is not the first time you have done so.

To say that anyone on here is not a professional just because they refuse to play into your games is ludicrous at best.

What you have done in this thread is shown that you do not know much other than see how some of the pros are lined up. You have shown that you really have no clue as to WHY they are lined up that way. And, have shown that you don't have a clue how muscles act.

There is a very good reason why those pros have their elbow pointed to their body a little. Which I'm quite sure all the instructors on here know why. You, obviously, do not. You also have shown that you have no clue as to what the instructors on here teach as far as how to set up for the shot. Maybe you ought to do a little research before you put them in a little mold as to all teaching just one way and only one way to set up. In actuality, not a one of them teaches that. They all teach that each person is an individual, and have them set up accordingly to their individual body requirements.

As far as any snooker comparisons, pool is pool, and snooker is snooker. They each have their own requirements. If you think they don't, why aren't you using a snooker cue to play pool??

Before you get on here and try knocking the professional instructors, and they are professionals, no matter what you think, maybe you ought to have enough sense to learn what they actually teach. The whole premise of this thread has been nothing more than a disgrace to the forums.

Well, I guess I'm the dumbest one here, Neil, because I have no idea why these players have their elbows angled in towards their bodies other than the obvious grip position or stance issues. After that, I'm stumped, and would love to hear why this is the case.

Too bad luckwouldhave it has such a chip on his or her shoulder. Maybe I could have learned something here.
 
... There is a very good reason why those pros have their elbow pointed to their body a little. ...
Well, I guess I'm the dumbest one here, Neil, because I have no idea why these players have their elbows angled in towards their bodies...
Ditto.

Neil, what advantage do you think this provides, if any (as opposed to having it directly over the cue), in general?

Thanks,
Dave
 
Ditto.

Neil, what advantage do you think this provides, if any (as opposed to having it directly over the cue), in general?

Thanks,
Dave

I wouldn't expect Neil to give an answer. He says a lot without ever saying anything. What do you say Neil let us all know and help out a little.
 
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luckwould have it- first off, your whole premise of this thread was not to try and teach something, but to try and discredit the instructors on this forum. It is not the first time you have done so. .
In all fairness the title of the thread is "Stroke Instructor Challenge".

What you have done in this thread is shown that you do not know much other than see how some of the pros are lined up. You have shown that you really have no clue as to WHY they are lined up that way. And, have shown that you don't have a clue how muscles act.
No, I have advocated what I call "natural" alignment, given the reasoning behind it, and provided examples that happen to be pros. What you have done is discredit me without supporting any of your claims.

There is a very good reason why those pros have their elbow pointed to their body a little. Which I'm quite sure all the instructors on here know why. You, obviously, do not.
Excellent! I can't wait to hear you explain this!!
 
Ditto.

Neil, what advantage do you think this provides, if any (as opposed to having it directly over the cue), in general?

Thanks,
Dave

If a player has a straight stroke, then a small rotation around the axis of the cue should not have any adverse impact, and might allow better alignment of the dominant eye / vision center.

However if the player does not always deliver the cue along its axis, such a rotation might have an adverse impact, translating a vertical deviation into one with a lateral component. Whether this matters in practice is another matter.

The other 'symmetry breaking' feature of alignment under discussion is where the shoulder is not over the cue. This is where the OP's line 1 is at an angle to the shot line. Here I agree with the OP that this alignment is often more natural and is in no way inferior to the cue-under-the-shoulder alternative.
 
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