Don't know about motivation behind the thread. I do know the information presented here is interesting. Some, BCA instructors don't want to contribute, odds are they cannot.
BTW. Thanks for your suggestion from the other post.
Stroke Instructor Challenge
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Don't know about motivation behind the thread. I do know the information presented here is interesting. Some, BCA instructors don't want to contribute, odds are they cannot.
BTW. Thanks for your suggestion from the other post.
I stated my opinion a week ago. I've encouraged, cajoled, and outraged - only to see the thread quietly go away without a straight answer. Some instructors even gave their input on tangent topics, but provided none on the main discussion point. Simply put, "natural" alignment is in direct opposition to what is taught by many instructors.
When your car is in the shop, you get an itemized estimate and understand what you're paying for. If the shop's vague about their work and can't explain what they need to fix and why, doesn't it make you uneasy? Why should stroke instruction be any different?
I encourage every stroke student to ask their instructor to define and explain what they teach. Ask questions like what do they think has to line up? Is there a benefit of not stroking in a natural motion in order to have lines 1 and 2 all in the same line?
If any 3 stroke instructors will give their word to never teach what I've described (which based on the limited feedback is wrong anyways), I'll:
1) Admit that I'm wrong
2) Post an apology
3) Stop making negative posts, or if requested, stop posting altogether.
When your car is in the shop, you get an itemized estimate and understand what you're paying for. If the shop's vague about their work and can't explain what they need to fix and why, doesn't it make you uneasy? Why should stroke instruction be any different?
I encourage every stroke student to ask their instructor to define and explain what they teach. Ask questions like what do they think has to line up? Is there a benefit of not stroking in a natural motion in order to have lines 1 and 2 all in the same line?
If any 3 stroke instructors will give their word to never teach what I've described (which based on the limited feedback is wrong anyways), I'll:
1) Admit that I'm wrong
2) Post an apology
3) Stop making negative posts, or if requested, stop posting altogether.
As far as I'm concerned, you can post whatever you want to post.
You are more than welcome to continue with your negative instructor bashing.
I will stand on my record. I think most members see this for exactly what it is.
Your last post is just another one of your little "challenge the instructor" things.
I'm not sure exactly why you feel you need to somehow try to show up the professional instructors who have been posting here, and teaching around the country, for years.
But, as they say...whatever floats your boat.
Now, if there's still some room, I believe I will join a couple of my friends on the mountain top.
Steve
You are more than welcome to continue with your negative instructor bashing.
I will stand on my record. I think most members see this for exactly what it is.
Your last post is just another one of your little "challenge the instructor" things.
I'm not sure exactly why you feel you need to somehow try to show up the professional instructors who have been posting here, and teaching around the country, for years.
But, as they say...whatever floats your boat.
Now, if there's still some room, I believe I will join a couple of my friends on the mountain top.
Steve
Come on up Steve, the popcorn is still warm. Bring a recliner.
Steve,
I've seen the whole lot of you repeatedly gang up on posters in other stroke threads, oftentimes being VERY disrespectful to them. I also strongly disagree with much of what you have to say and had the not-so-small suspicion that you have no idea what you're talking about. Historically, you've provided as much supporting evidence as the guy with the chicken-wing in this thread who's telling me he knows things that he'll kindly charge me for.
The point of this thread is to expose you for what you are and address the misinformation that's been spread about the stroke. If you claim to be a stroke instructor and your idea of instruction is to teach fundamentally wrong fundamentals, well I think you know my thoughts on that. If you have any confidence that what I posted earlier is false, then it shouldn't be an issue for you to say you won't teach it.
I'd like to close with something you'd posted in another thread.
Randy...I think not. There would likely be more profanity, innuendo, and racist comments. We're just dealing with someone who thinks they know it all, and wants to know why we won't back him/her up.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Steve. I think we are dealing with Fast Larry here. Come to the Mountain.....
randyg
Hmmmmmmm
And there we have it, in black and white. You come on here pretending to be looking for answers and/or provide info to the forum, but your real goal was quite obvious to everyone that has read the thread from the get go, and now you admit it days later... Epic fail my friend. Yet, you assumed nobody would notice. You are not very subtle in the least.
Nice try, but you have been exposed for what you are.......a troll with an inferiority complex and is overcompensating way too hard here. Relex dude, there are products on the market that helps one increase size and girth, and I'll Paypal you the first dollar in your quest to become "whole" again.......
And there we have it, in black and white. You come on here pretending to be looking for answers and/or provide info to the forum, but your real goal was quite obvious to everyone that has read the thread from the get go, and now you admit it days later... Epic fail my friend. Yet, you assumed nobody would notice. You are not very subtle in the least.
Nice try, but you have been exposed for what you are.......a troll with an inferiority complex and is overcompensating way too hard here. Relex dude, there are products on the market that helps one increase size and girth, and I'll Paypal you the first dollar in your quest to become "whole" again.......
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Steve. I think we are dealing with Fast Larry here. Come to the Mountain.....
randyg
Slide on over...I'm on my way.
Steve
Again the dominant eye will get you there.
First you need to know for sure which eye is your dominant eye. In the preshot from up above it looks the same for everyone.
Then once you know the dominant eye you need to be looking with that eye in the dominant position in the preshot.
Now the body is in line with the shot. This is where the perfect starting point will be for your body and stroke.
As you come forward now keeping the real dominant eye in the correct position will naturally tell you where your stroke and body should be.
Especially on weird angles where we are kind of scrunched up the eyes are what tells us where to be.
The eyes tell us where the eyes need to be for sure.
Some of us are skinny and some of us not so skinny. Our stances are all taylored to our body but the eyes will always get us there.
Try this little experiment. Set up a straight in shot about 4 feet from the object ball. Now get down and aim the shot. keep your stroke right there but move your head over to one side about 3 inches.
Now try to achieve a straight stroke. kind of hard without the eye in the correct position.
Even if you have the eyes close to where they need to be, by being off by only 1/8 or 1/4 of an inch your getting a distorted image of the stick going to your brain and it's really hard to tell unless you understand what is happening.
If it doesnt look quite right it's because it isn't right.
There never was a truer statement.
The eyes run the whole show to your brain.
Pretty simple actually....................
First you need to know for sure which eye is your dominant eye. In the preshot from up above it looks the same for everyone.
Then once you know the dominant eye you need to be looking with that eye in the dominant position in the preshot.
Now the body is in line with the shot. This is where the perfect starting point will be for your body and stroke.
As you come forward now keeping the real dominant eye in the correct position will naturally tell you where your stroke and body should be.
Especially on weird angles where we are kind of scrunched up the eyes are what tells us where to be.
The eyes tell us where the eyes need to be for sure.
Some of us are skinny and some of us not so skinny. Our stances are all taylored to our body but the eyes will always get us there.
Try this little experiment. Set up a straight in shot about 4 feet from the object ball. Now get down and aim the shot. keep your stroke right there but move your head over to one side about 3 inches.
Now try to achieve a straight stroke. kind of hard without the eye in the correct position.
Even if you have the eyes close to where they need to be, by being off by only 1/8 or 1/4 of an inch your getting a distorted image of the stick going to your brain and it's really hard to tell unless you understand what is happening.
If it doesnt look quite right it's because it isn't right.
There never was a truer statement.
The eyes run the whole show to your brain.
Pretty simple actually....................
Steve. I think we are dealing with Fast Larry here. Come to the Mountain.....
randyg
You, Steve, and the great Scotty make a mountain out of a mole hill.. if what you're preachin is knowledge then I say . . .
Come to the mole hill! I dub you 3 the Molehill gang!
You are not so subtly implying that you know things that I don't - and that these things invalidate natural alignment. Brilliant!! Now all you need to do is go on record saying you will never teach natural alignment.
Btw the signoff is to provide a way for stroke instructors to demonstrate confidence in what they've taught for years, without giving away their information for free.
I apologize if "Stroke Instructor Challenge" was misleading to you, but if you check page 1 you'll see that I wasn't merely pretending to provide information - I actually did and you're free to disagree with it. Or.. you can call me a troll and advocate male enlargment products while contributing nothing to the discussion..which sounds kind of like a troll to me.
Good post. But when some people get down like that, they end up with less than ideal alignment - and I think that's where stroke instruction comes into play. Btw, if it came down to picking between good eye alignment and good stroke alignment, I'd go with the the eyes.
luckwouldhaveit...If you knew anything at all about us, you'd know that we've all been teaching "natural alignment" for more than 20 years. Apparently the jokes on you.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Let's look past the fact that you waited until now to chime in.
So to get this straight, you all teach the same thing, which is natural alignment as I've described it, and the alignment you teach is to NOT have all the key stroke points on the same plane?
Hmmmm
Just curious if the OP ever answered the farkin question ? And if not, why not? I mean, you expect so much from the instructors, at least give us a peek behind the curtain to see who you are? Maybe then you might get some more invovlement and of course you have to also be less rude about it.
Just curious if the OP ever answered the farkin question ? And if not, why not? I mean, you expect so much from the instructors, at least give us a peek behind the curtain to see who you are? Maybe then you might get some more invovlement and of course you have to also be less rude about it.
Come on up Scott. This weekend we installed a new grill and will have steaks on this evening. Hopefully someone will bring a new Diamond table up here.
