Stuff Like This Destroys My Enthusiasm......

First of all:

A: At the speed you have to hit this shot to go three rails, break up the cluster, and get a shot, you have absolutely ZERO chance of leaving the 2 on that rail unless you hit it directly into the pocket facing and it wobbles back and forth. If that happens, you leave your opponent an easy 2 in the side.. So, you weren't even thinking about the possibilities should you miss correctly..

B: You used the spin/thickness of cut that sent you directly into the line of the 3/4. If you had used a touch more follow or a touch less running english, you would have hit a fourth rail before contact, and would have been able to at least see the 3 ball. You also had the option to either draw the cue ball with running english and catch the fourth rail on the other side of the 3/4, breaking it up from behind.

The GREAT thing about that option is, if you miss the 2, you could break up the 3/4 AND hook your opponent horribly on the two, which is about the best thing that could possibly happen, other than running out.

Here's another thing... If you make the 2 and break out the 3/4, but don't have a good shot at the 3 to make it, the 4 will be close enough for you to FREEZE to the 4 while playing a safe on the 3.

C: You hit a good shot, but at the wrong speed. In 3-Cushion, you did what is called "playing easy up to the second ball". You should have thought out what speed gave you the best chance of being able to see that 3 off of the three rail breakout.

DCP.. Admit it, you just don't see all the possibilities. I do know this.. If I had the same result as you, I would not be complaining about it, because I would realize there were about 6 things I could have done or planend differently to still try to run out, but to get a different result.

Russ
 
I think you shot the right shot. You posted something similar a short time back with the same results. In both cases a little more speed would have helped. Your so called bad luck was hitting the 4 ball to straight.

A safety option is ok only if you place the two in a position where it smplifies the break out. In this case ducking and leaving the 2 on the opposite end rail leaves you no better than your original break out. Of course you could bank the two towards the three and four area on the second safe (if you get ball in hand) but I don't think your going to think of that move.

You played the right shot but why right english? Some left and come in longer may have worked much better. Who knows? You still had a decent kick. Why not say, oh well and test your kicking ability? At least try to learn something from every mistake or bad roll. When you get frustrated and whine you'll learn nothing. Try to learn something positive from every shot.

Shoot that shot several times. I'll bet you don't get unlucky every time. A little difference in aim on the two and you get to see the three. Maybe its still a very poor shot but it that situation it can happen easily. So play safe.

You have a few guys that support you, why I don't have a clue. If you keep complaining you will loose them as well. Trust me, nobody like a whiner. We all have bad rolls, plenty of them. Can you imagine lots of posters on here complaining about bads rolls? Try that shot several times and report back. You seldom ever do that. If you don't try, then sit and sulk until your next unlucky event I'll gaurantee you sooner or later you'll be on ignore by most. Now get off your ass, wipe the tears away and shoot the shot then report back. If you can see the three, thats good. You don't have to run out from here, be aware of that.

Rod
 
DCP.......... You expect bad things to happen, so they always will.

After you ended up where you did, WHAT DID YOU DO????

Did you kick at the 3?? If so, what happeded??

I personally would have played safe off of the 2 ball, as would probably most decent players on here.

Will you ever learn?? Time will tell.........

:D

Russ......
 
part of the problem here is youre playing by yourself, so youre totally focusing on if you get out or not, and if you dont you perceive it as failure. If you were playing someone,as soon as you dont have a decent shot youd safe them, and then prob get bih, and youd be basing success/failure on winning or losing instead of runouts. You watch accustats matches, whats the runout from break average? im betting its less than 30%. If you really wanna just concentrate on your runouts then switch to the bih ghost, youll go insane at a much slower pace
 
Dont know how to work the wei table.

But if I am playing the ghost or in a ring game, I am banking the 2 to the the lower left corner, and playing the CB into the 3&4 for the breakout.

Even in a regular game, if I play safe I am still gonna try and possibly come in to the long rail and break up the 3&4 and leave distance hoping the 6 & 8 will come into play along with the long distance. If my opponent gets out after my attempt he really played well to execute it.
 
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The safe is a good idea ,but your still faced with the breakout even If you get ball in hand.There is a time to make that shot and a time to duck,untill your at the level to consistantly make you shot option then you wind you opening the table for your opponent.What nowone stated is that from the origional position you can ply the safe that was shown but instead or hiding behund the nine ball you could go into the 3/4 slightly and place the two behind the 8 still so if you get bih you can run out.let me know what you members think of this.In essence put the 2 on the rail behind the 8 and bump the pack to break them out a little.If you get bih then you can get out if you cant [depending on how the 3/4 end you or paly an other safe if you have to.You could have also played the 2 and placed the cue on the bottom rail and then played a safe if the 3 passes the 4.
 
If everything works as you plan it everytime, that would be nice. However pool wouldn't be challenging for you anymore, right? Look on the bright side, you have just discover two new shots to practice on:

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Not easy. Nevertheless, it will come in handy the next time the same thing come up. Good luck!
 
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"Bad roll" occured because you relied on luck. Let's face it, nobody can exactly predict what happens if you bump into that 3/4 cluster, especially when the cueball has to travel that far. Maybe, just maybe if you shot it little harder, the 3 ball would have shown itself, but i wouldn't bet on that either.

Let's say that you really did break that cluster and that you got lucky and ran out. Some people might say wow, but really how useful was that? Is that the type of shot good player would play in an important match?

I'm not an expert, but from what i have seen, good players don't shoot wild shots if they cannot predict the outcome. Unless they are matched up with vastly inferior opponent.
 
Your angle and diagram must be off a little because the 3 couldn't end up where you put it. Hard to get things right on the diagrams. Nothing wrong with the idea. Your lack of knowledge/experience got you hooked. Play the shot to come in short on the long rail splitting the balls. If executed even close, you can't get hooked and will almost certainly have a shot. Playing it long doesn't leave a good chance for an offensive shot and risks the chance of a scratch. If you miss the 2, most likely you end up leaving a tough shot and perhaps a hook, with the cluster separated.
 
Reading these negative threads destroys my enthusiasm!!

When I saw this one today I had a flash from the past.

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I shot a four rail kick shot Saturday and hit the ball, but didn't get a rail after. I thought it was my fault because I didn't shoot hard enough but now I realize that it just bad luck!
 
emccune said:
but, as my luck almost always goes, i make a really good shot, and my reward was another horribly bad roll - for the 10 millionth time..........:(

Sorry, but it wasn't really bad luck at all. You just didn't consider all the possiblilities inherent in that shot. The way you played that breakout, coming straight into it like that, was "fraught with danger" as they say. Lot's of bad things could happen and only a few good things.

There were other options. You just have to start to recognise the possible dangers that can occur on certain shots and stay away from them or plan them better.

Then your "luck" will change.

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You are absoloutely 100% correct IMO. Great players would have recognized that immediately. Coming directly into the 4-ball like that, you probably have at least a 75% chance of getting hooked, unless you really slam cueball.

Going into the top rail first and hitting the 3ball instead of 4ball first, it's really hard to get hooked that way, but you aren't guaranteed to get a shot obviously.

There are two problems with going this route, and those are: To hit the top rail and go into the 3ball first, you have to draw the cueball a little, and you risk clipping the 7ball after contacting the first rail. If you are able to avoid that, on the 3rd rail after pocketing the 2ball, the cueball has to go dangerously close to the side pocket to achieve this result.

DCP doesn't seem to accept the reality that top players have the ability to control this very well, and we as amateurs, DONT. The only way to achieve this control is to strive for it, without throwing up our hands and saying "it's too tough!". Or, in DCP's case, disregarding that reality and *****ing and moaning about "bad luck".
 
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Blackjack said:
Mike

There is no rule that says that you need to or should pocket the 2 ball. If in a match, I would have tried to play safe... sort of like this...

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Thinking offensively is good when you get rewarded for your offense. In this situation, you are probably best advised to play safe, at least that is my opinion.
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Did dogging this cost you any money? If not - QUIT CRYING! Be a damn man.
 
DCP all I have to say is that I am GLAD you are getting all of these bad rolls. Because if you didn't... even Efren wouldn't have to like it playing against you. I am comfortable being able to know exactly who the best player in the world is. If you didn't get all of these unfortunate rolls I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing that there is no definitive #1. THANK YOU POOL GODS!
 
Deadon said:
Your angle and diagram must be off a little because the 3 couldn't end up where you put it.....
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:confused: Are you sure? Perhaps side cushion to right knuckle to left knuckle to where it ended up:)

Anyway....more importantly....DCP, when you decided upon that choice of shot what were you expecting to happen to the 4 and 3 if you contacted them on that angle of approach and speed? Or is it that you did not expect to contact them on that that angle of approach but on a different angle or perhaps at a different speed, or both? The answer to that may have relevance to any analysis of what mistake(s) you might have made.
 
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Exactly. Stop crying - you sound like my 3 year old nephew. I know a lot more people here would be more willing to help you if you found a better attitude and started acting like a man.
 
I'm not trying to bash you DCP, but the sooner you realize that luck has nothing to do with it, the sooner you will start playing better.

You sent the cue on it's path, not luck.
 
Stuff Like This Destroys My Enthusiasm...... ----DCP

You are lying to yourself again. YOU destroy your enthusiasm by your irrational thinking. A shot(s) holds no such power. Integrate that.

Don't know why I'm bothering to reply to you, but I feel good today so I'm passing it on. Do YOU choose to catch it?

Jeff Livingston
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
as everyone is aware i do nothing but complain about the horrible luck and rolls i get. this happens almost each and every time i play.
now how on earth can anyone just be so continually unlucky??? this crap just goes on and on and on and on and on and on, just about every day, nothing but horrible, HORRIBLE rolls and luck. when i ended up with this horrible roll i just dropped to my knees and stared at the wall, in utter disbelief how any one person who tries as hard as i do can just constantly be plagued by non-stop horribly bad luck.

DCP
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DCP,
The problem isn't necessarily that you're so unlucky but rather that you're not anticipating the result of your actions very well.

The multi-rail path of the cue ball upon hitting an object ball in a thin side pocket cut is fairly well known. However, with the 4 ball in front of the 3, you failed to anticipate that the cue ball may not successfully open the cluster. Anytime you try to bust open a cluster, there's a chance that you may not be successful. That's not bad luck; that is simply physics.

Chalk it up to having learned something new.
 
I just think you played the wrong shot. I would have banked the two cross corner with low right english and slide towards the three/four. With the english, you have a better chance at seeing the three. Plus, if you have missed the bank, you would have a safe with the six and probably the four if you hit it at the right speed.

But that is the difference between players.
 
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